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Removing minor Duels

Please stop removing Duels that "don't matter" by your arbitrary standards. If we were listing them, then it means we wanted to. --XBrain130™「Ｘ（エックス）ブレーン１３０」 23:37, December 15, 2017 (UTC)

Admittedly, I may have gotten a little carried away, but my reasoning is anything but arbitrary. What I've done was either remove duels that were mentioned, implied, or imagined by another character or split apart duels that has one character take over for another and putting together duels where multiple named characters take on unnamed ones that are part of the same group all at once. Hearing a character as having defeated multiple duelists and adding them to their record or showing the ending of a duel where another character mentions so and so have dueled this many number of times off-screen and listing them separately is kinda redundant. If I was removing duels that "don't matter", then I would've removed duels that only showed a character having just won or lost or duels that occurred in flashbacks, but that's not what I've been doing. The changes I made are harmless and they follow the community's guidelines. --Finaldraw (talk • contribs) 02:09, December 16, 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't matter, as a wiki we have the duty to report everything, including things that are at glance irrelevant, becasue every story must be built over off-screen details. And that's not what "redundant" means, it supposed to refer to things that are brought up too many times, but those are one-time things that you are erasing from our site. Again, the fact that we have been reporting off-screen and fictitious duels for years means that no one else opposed it and wanted them away. At least, please ask the admins what they think of your sudden mass-removal of such data. --XBrain130™「Ｘ（エックス）ブレーン１３０」 02:20, December 16, 2017 (UTC)

Those off-screen details apply towards the character biographies, not their records. There's really no point to include that in the records unless there's an episode number that shows when it happened. The fact that no one has done anything about that may have to do with the fact their indifferent to these changes. Their small edits that don't affect the page in a big way. One did ask why though and after explaining my reasoning, that was that, but otherwise, I hadn't heard anything from them and my edits from three weeks ago remained undone.

On another note, redundant means "Not or no longer needed or useful; superfluous". --Finaldraw (talk • contribs) 03:17, December 16, 2017 (UTC)

I agree with XBrain on this. It's official information. I see no reason to exclude it just because it's minor. If someone doesn't care for it, they can just disregard it.

Even Kazuki Takahashi included minor off-panel Duels, when listing characters' Duel, win and loss counts in Yu-Gi-Oh! Character Guidebook: The Gospel of Truth.

Could you please hold off making such edits while the discussion is ongoing? When we come to a decision, we can put all pages on the relevant version, rather than having users revert the same hundred pages over and back. -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:07, December 19, 2017 (UTC)

I just find it to be a waste of space to include duels that are briefly mentioned in passing with nothing more to them. There like noodle incidents, where a character talks about something that happens offscreen one second and forgotten the next, but I'll discuss it. Just tell me where.

Even if I did get a little carried away, there is some justification for several of the records I edited, particularly those where one character takes over a duel for another or duels that aren't even talked about but implied. --Finaldraw (talk • contribs) 23:36, December 19, 2017 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind me copying your replies from other talk pages here, so we can see the full conversation.

I meant this particular discussion on this talk page, but yeah, a more public spot would be more appropriate. You can start a topic at Forum:Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki Community Discussion, if you like. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:07, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I've given this some consideration. The fairest approach we can take in cases like these is assume the way the wiki currently does things is status quo and considered the standard way of doing things. If someone wants to do things differently, that's fine they can go ahead. However if the changes prove controversial. i.e. other editors are disagreeing with them, then that person must convince the community to change the standard. They can start a discussion at the article talk page or a forum, if it concerns more than one page. Whichever method editors are generally in favour of becomes the new standard.

In this case, the wiki was currently covering minor Duels. You attempted to change that, which is fine, but since other users are disagreeing, you now must start the forum discussion or we will stick with documenting minor Duels.

Please don't make any further edits in this area until this has been resolved. We'll leave your existing changes in place for now, but if you don't start a forum discussion by tomorrow, the changes will be reverted.

Sorry, if I'm coming across as confrontational. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:03, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

Sure. I'll extend the time time before your edits will be reverted by another day. But you can start the forum topic whenever you please. It doesn't matter if the edits have been reverted or not by then, we'll ultimately switch the pages to use whatever is decided in the discussion. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:40, December 21, 2017 (UTC)

A reminder: please use the article's talk page when discussing edit reverts instead of engaging in edit wars with other users. The page/section I'm talking about here is Yuma Tsukumo's Duel record. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 16:17, January 4, 2018 (UTC)

Given this entire fiasco, I'm going to be drafting up a policy page for duel records, attempting to make clear what should be done under all circumstances a duel has occurred, including taking over by other characters, etc. Your block may be adjusted after that is done. You obviously then should not be editing duel records without further discussion. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:02, January 11, 2018 (UTC)