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Preview button[edit]

Please make use of the preview button (shown as "Show preview" next to the "Save changes" button, when editing a page) to preview what your edits will look like. Otherwise your multiple consecutive edits can make it difficult to track the changes made to a page, as seen here. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 15:16, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Even I was surprised to see so many changes in the link you gave, so I'll try to better organize the edits, especially in a page such as that. NumbersHunter02 (talkcontribs) 15:39, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox[edit]

I strongly suggest you use a User:NumbersHunter02/sandbox to preview your page. Just copy/paste the contents of the 4 Dimensional Dragons page into that sandbox, and make all the changes you want there, because I don't think you're going to be done anytime soon. Furthermore, I would not make any further edits to the actual 4 Dimensional Dragons page until you can go a month without editing your sandbox. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 17:14, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

You're still editing the Four Dimension Dragons despite being told not to. UK told you to make a sandbox to preview your changes before you go on ahead. ChaosGallade (talkcontribs) 17:34, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
I did use the preview button to see how the page would have come out. I was told me to reduce the number of edits and to clear the process, which I definitely did by adding detailed summaries while also upgrading the quality of related pages (such as trivias). Aside from creating a new section - necessary to include Darkwurm in a decent way - all the other edits were just re-arrangements of the columns. As I read on the help page, the first rule is to be bold and go ahead, make the changes. And I think that now, finally, with the inclusion of Darkwurm, the page (the section) made up for everything that did not include precedently for whatever reason. NumbersHunter02 (talkcontribs) 18:18, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
In that case, let UK's suggestion be a lesson on what to do in the future if you're planning on making big edits to a page before committing to them. ChaosGallade (talkcontribs) 19:16, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Next time I'll try the sandbox, if this can further help at keeping track of the page. NumbersHunter02 (talkcontribs) 19:46, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

You never gave your rationale for Persona/Mirage Dragon. Also, please give this a read. Some of these trivia/characteristic lists are getting too bulky with unnecessary information, so be prepared for the fact that your content will be trimmed at some point. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 16:54, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

  • For Mirage/Persona, I wrote that in the summary but guess I exceed the limit, so I will repeat that now. They are related in terms of names. A phantom can be upgraded to a phantasma or be downgraded (or, in this arguable case, related) to mirages (illusions) or a persona (like a physical person). That's the thing that keep them at least related to Phantom Dragon. About the second point, I think the main issue is Odd-Eyes' section. If it really isn't worthy claryfing that (about Advance being stronger and them being weaker) it can be erased. A bit of explanation can be kept regarding why Wizard is not the DARK version. NumbersHunter02 (talkcontribs) 17:08, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
  1. I already stated that Persona/Mirage were similar to "Neo Space Pathfinder" (and "Neo Space Connector"): related, but not necessarily a de-evolution of the core member (E-HERO Neos). This is especially the case since "Persona" and "Mirage" have frequently been used to P-Summon Phantom Dragon, and frequently feature alongside it. This is not comparable to situations like "Utopia", where they make a point of going "wow, it's all their forms together!"; they're just sidekicks/enablers. Yes, I know they're related to "Phantom"; no, this does not necessarily mean they're de-evolutions. I don't remember that well, but I believe the manga Dragons don't even have any special "otherworldly" plot significance - they're just the ace cards of the Yuya brothers, and only Odd-Eyes gets augmented with the Adam Factor, but I don't remember how they explain Pendulums (the only possible "otherworldly" factor).
  2. Stating that "Advance Dragon" is stronger is very biased, and a very unnecessary comparison. It does not matter what arguments you make for it; there is no objective way of saying "it's stronger", unless all of them were Normal Monsters.
  3. Since you made the point that the "Odd-Eyes Dragon" evos are representative of Summoning methods (and not card types), the "missing link" for "Saber Dragon" does not need to be a Normal Monster; it could easily be an Effect Monster. Personally, I feel "Wizard Dragon" was the victim of a recycled/rejected artwork, and was meant to fill that role.
  4. Items of a single nature do not merit a table all to themselves, such as "Wizard Dragon". At best, they merit a statement above or below its related table, whichever is more appropriate. The same applies for columns with only 1 item in them, especially when that item is in a separate row from the others (where the other rows have "n/a", "(blank)", "-", etc. in them for that specific column).
    1. With that being said, I feel "Silver Claw" is different enough that it can be placed below the table, due to its visual disparity, even though its stats match the other Fusions.
  5. These changes should be made in your sandbox. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 19:31, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
1) Odd-Eyes evolutions are based on card types AND summoning mechanics, as stated in the table. It is clear that there are opposites: Ritual-Fusion and Synchro-Xyz, so it should be a Normal Monster. That's it. Wizard Dragon might be a recycled idea, its connection with Saber is appreciated, but Normal Monsters are what came before Effect Monsters, the type of Saber.
2) Advance Dragon statement is based on LV and ATK/DEF, but if needed it can be deleted, like I said before.
3) Persona and Mirage can be listed under the table, if the "related" status isn't enough to keep them in it, ok. But G.O.D. evolutions should be kept: it's an important monster, just like the Supreme King Odd-Eyes series.
4) For Metal Claw, I still disagree. I mean, in the evolution column we included Lancer: it is not a normal evolution like Requiem and Co., since it breaks the naming pattern, but Metal Claw is different. All we can see is a Fusion Monster with the same stats as other Odd-Eyes Fusions. At least it should be noted, as it is clearly an evolution of Pendulum Dragon. You would guess it is a Beast, but it's a Dragon, because it is the manga counterpart (spin-off): you don't have Z-ARC, you have Revolution. You don't have Odd-Eyes Fusions, you get a Performapal instead. It still counts.
5) Changes will be made in the sandbox once decided.
I'm now putting the section in my sandbox, and applying the changes. NumbersHunter02 (talkcontribs) 07:24, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

I think the best solution is the one given in my sandbox: all your statements applied, except for Metal Claw (which can be considered a sort of counterpart, it's just the Pendulum Dragon part isn't visually as relevant as the Fusion trio) and G.O.D.-Eyes, whose importance is too big to only be listed under the table and not in it. With that being said, I guess a good time to make those changes effective will be after the reveal of "Arc Wing Synchro Dragon" or whoever that new Yugo's monster from Duelist of Whirlwind is. NumbersHunter02 (talkcontribs) 10:12, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Another new page: Seven Deadly Numbers Sins[edit]

As for Z-one's readout, everything is in my sandbox. I don't think the history section is completed, but that's the only thing to improve. Let me know if there is any reason why this should NOT become a page. NumbersHunter02 (talkcontribs) 14:13, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

I know, the title sucks a bit. As an alternative, there is Evolving "Numbers" (進化するナンバーズ, Shinka suru Nanbāzu) from Rank 39 NumbersHunter02 (talkcontribs) 18:30, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Repetitive edits[edit]

I see you've already been told to preview your edits before saving, and pointed to your sandbox to develop content before posting it to articles, and despite those you've still been repetitively editing on the same page enough to be blocked, so I'm going to offer one suggestion and make one stipulation: the suggestion is to start making edits offline, in your text editor of choice, and when you finish them, to leave them for a while (at least a few hours) before coming back and going over them to see if you think of anything else to change or add. Repeat this as many times as you need before you stop spotting or thinking of things to change, and then you can copy your changes over to the live article and save them. Now, the stipulation: once you've edited an article, you are not allowed to edit it again except to correct obvious typographical or markup mistakes or to revert obvious vandalism, until someone else has edited that article. This stipulation only applies to you (since it's usually not a consistent problem for other editors), and if you fail to follow it, you will be blocked again. ディノ千?!☎ Dinoguy1000 20:59, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

pointed to your sandbox to develop content before posting it to articles
I applied that for new pages that otherwise would have required massive editing.
despite those you've still been repetitively editing on the same page enough to be blocked
I mainly edit from my mobile (as the tag says), however, I noticed that you cannot modify the entire page in a single time, unlike with the PC, but you can only edit a section at time. Even though it is not the big problem here, is there a way to modify the pages entirely or should I always use the pc?
start making edits offline, in your text editor of choice
I can do that. Anyway, I understand the situation and starting from the next week, I'll do my best to organize the edits. I always use the preview button to see if there is a column/line error (as I mainly edit tables documenting card series). I'll try to condense everything in one single big edit, like I originally did to massively update the Signer Dragons page. NumbersHunter02 (talkcontribs) 08:33, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
start making edits offline
In these week of block, I prepared new edits that I'll publish starting from today. The pages are:
  • Signer/Duel Dragons (Crimson Dragon's new section)
  • ABC evolution of Hot Red Dragon Archfiend and their card artwork pages
  • Chronicle/Assault/Charge and their card artwork pages
  • Earthbound Immortals (Red Nova needs a mention at the very least)
  • Evolving Numbers (minor fixing)

NumbersHunter02 (talkcontribs) 17:36, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

What do you mean by the card artwork pages? Also, be wary of using curly quotation marks (“sample”) when copy/pasting your edits, as we only accept regular quotation marks ("sample"). --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 17:52, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
What do you mean by the card artwork pages?
Pages that compare the manga and the TCG/OCG artworks. I recently noticed they lack a bit of informations.
we only accept regular quotation marks ("sample")
Understood. My keyboard has already "sample" as a preset, and notes did not change that. NumbersHunter02 (talkcontribs) 18:07, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Proof[edit]

Having proof is pretty important. For example, this edit. I didn't look to see who inserted the title of "King of Numbers", but since you changed it to "True King of Numbers", do you have a source for that? It's important to include sources, otherwise people can doubt its veracity and delete that information. If you do have a source, you can provide it here, and I can include it on the page for you to follow for future cases.
As for claiming "All-Eyes Phantom Dragon" has parts of the 4 manga Dragons, did you actually take the time to verify that independently? Or did you just take a passing glance at the artwork and assume it was true? Never mind the fact we avoid looking at Fandom wiki for content, because we don't want them copying us in return. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 20:59, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

do you have a source for that
Astral's Summoning chant in Rank 53 or Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL - Rank 054 title.
As for claiming "All-Eyes Phantom Dragon" has parts of the 4 manga Dragons, did you actually take the time to verify that independently? Or did you just take a passing glance at the artwork and assume it was true?
I looked at the manga pictures and noticed the following, as it was written on Fandom: the tail is similar to Anthelion's one (except it has not two ends, just one), Phantom's core is present (kind of obvious), the wings and arms reminds of Fast Dragon, while Venemy gave his horns (4, 2 upper and two lower). Plus, the manga lore itself implies it is the combined form: it was Summoned by tributing the above monsters. Phantasma Dragon too has some similarities with the other three, but I think it can be viewed as just a token for their bonds: like Yuya's influence made the other Yu boys' monsters becoming Pendulum, his 3 brothers did the same with his evolved Dragon. NumbersHunter02 (talkcontribs) 05:18, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
You would think that if the designs were meant to be intentional, that there would be some identical features. Phantom Dragon (understandably) has identical features, but seems to be the only one. The tail-prong attachment is similar, but not 2-pronged. I see 0 signs of design similarity with Starving Venemy and Clear Wing. What we're looking for is exact-same-design features, similar to what "Scarlight Red Dragon Archfiend" has.
As 1 preemptive warning, your "Equipped Union" page (idr the name) is going to be deleted, since we don't allow series pages to exist unless it has 3 members or more.
As another preemptive warning, I'm getting tired of having to check over your edits. It takes a great deal more effort to refute someone's claims (with evidence) than it is to churn out these claims. I respect what you did for the Evolving Numbers, but there's also too much unnecessary detail you put into some of these pages, not to mention the constant stream of edits some of these pages are receiving. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 19:06, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


I respect what you did for the Evolving Numbers, but there's also too much unnecessary detail you put into some of these pages
Thanks. If there is too much text, it might be condensed.
As 1 preemptive warning, your "Equipped Union" page (idr the name) is going to be deleted, since we don't allow series pages to exist unless it has 3 members or more.
Fine with that: I'll keep it into my sandbox, so when Chimera Utopia Ray V or Asura Utopia Ray will appear, it'll be ready. On a side note, Leo Utopia Ray should be renamed to Ultimate Leo Utopia Ray to keep up with the other's TCG name.
You would think that if the designs were meant to be intentional, that there would be some identical features
Does Z-ARC share similar features with his parts? I mean, lore-wise, it is a combination, so I think that God-Eyes should be kept there too, as it was Summoned by Tributing the 4 Dragons. NumbersHunter02 (talkcontribs) 19:37, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Unofficial names and lores[edit]

Please do not add unofficial names or lores to card pages. We've already removed all such names and lores in languages that the card game is not printed in, and it's almost certain we'll be removing all remaining ones sometime in the near-ish future; in either case, the addition of new ones is no longer wanted (with the sole obvious exception of English names and lores, since we're an English-language wiki that caters to a primarily English-speaking audience). ディノ千?!☎ Dinoguy1000 11:42, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Understood NumbersHunter02 (talkcontribs) 17:18, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Kinda ironic that now I'm the one who removed all of them, not only regarding the upcoming cards, but even the older ones.
Speaking of lores, does the wiki really need the card lores pages? As much as I can tell, I saw only unofficial lores there, and languages that I do not recall being in the TCG or OCG, for example: Greek, Croatian, Arabic and Turkish (although I think Arabic dub exists) NumbersHunter02 (talkcontribs) 08:07, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
Honestly it would've been preferable for you not to remove them; as likely as their removal is (/was), it hadn't actually been generally discussed yet, and in any case, the removal could be done automatically with a bot.
The card lores (and card names) pages are probably going away as well; as you've noticed, most of their content is unofficial translations (though there's also some anime/manga/video game stuff on some of them). ディノ千?!☎ Dinoguy1000 09:08, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
The card lores (and card names) pages are probably going away as well; as you've noticed, most of their content is unofficial translations
That's cool
/was
I focused mainly on IT and SP lores/names (by using Template:Unofficial lore). Now I'll stop and let the bot do the rest. NumbersHunter02 (talkcontribs) 12:26, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Stardust[edit]

I think the main problem I find with your trivia is you trying to make sense of everything, when in reality, not everything is relevant and/or has enough proof to be defined one way or another. I think my argument for "Stardust Phantom" is best summarized as, ignoring everything else, you're trying to make a case similar to saying "Kaibaman" is actually "Blue-Eyes White Dragon". At best, there is no solid proof one way or the other (the name usage is ambiguous, who knows what the Japanese had in mind when creating the name), which is why if you check Phantom's trivia page, the happy medium/balance is simply noting the details and not making guesses at interpreting the details - or at least keeping the observation(s) very broad, such as "these similarities indicate a relationship between the 2". If you want further context, check the edit history for "Stardust Phantom" and read my edit summary. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 07:08, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

the happy medium/balance is simply noting the details and not making guesses at interpreting the details
So this only applies to Phantom's case? Because in the Stardust archetype we also have the Warriors (Synchro) and the recently released Stardust Trail. (The latter is surely a different monster, based on the woman from Converging Wishes.)
If you want further context, check the edit history for "Stardust Phantom" and read my edit summary.
I checked it. My reason to include Phantom (and Xiaolong...) was that, going by name, you have the Ra's Disciple (a different monster than Winged Dragon), but the Creator Incarnate and the ghost of Stardust (This might be a weak connection, I know). Xiaolong, as it was stated on the upgraded cards page, is (supposed to be) a puppy form of Stardust Dragon. At first, I could not see any resemblance between the two, but looking closely I realized this Xiaolong (a Chinese word which translates as "little dragon", so we literally have the Little Stardust Dragon) has some similarities to adult Stardust: mainly, the face (kinda) and the plates(?) on the legs. It might not be so similar to Stardust, compared to the appearance of Debris Dragon, but Stardust Little Dragon is kind of interesting as a name.
Aside from Phantom & Xiaolong, I don't understand why you removed "Shooting Riser Dragon" from the list on Stardust trivia. At first I thought it was because it was not a direct "evolution" (more like an involution) of Stardust, just like "Red Wyvern" and HRDA's evolutions were removed from Red Dragon Archfiend's page, but then I noticed Shooting Majestic was kept. If the problem is how to list it, I suggest, instead of "1 evolved form", this:
Or
Saying "Kaibaman" is actually "Blue-Eyes White Dragon"
Well... there are different levels of similarity when we talk about these monsters:
  • Back Jack is just based on Jack Atlas
  • Kaibaman was portrayed as a different character from BEWD in GX, but still, it is based on Kaiba, whose soul technically carries Blue Eyes.
  • And then we have Numbers Hunter, which seems to have been advertised as a combination of Kite and GEPD, or possibly as a human form of Photon Dragon. It is even showing doing the same work as Kite in the cards Photon Hand and Transformation.

-- NumbersHunter02 (talkcontribs) 07:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

I am very tired of having to stoop to your level of analysis. Thankfully, "Stardust Xialong" has 4 digits on its hind leg, rendering all your pseudo-analysis pointless. That's either very "convenient" of you to overlook (since you were looking for similarities, that's a pretty easy starting point, wouldn't you think), or very irresponsible. That's not a detail I'd normally have to look up, since it is very obviously a Chinese dragon (of different origin than Stardust Dragon), and its effect pretty much goes against its alleged lore of being a baby version. This is a waste of my time having to stoop to your level, and type all this out. Give it up.
HRDA is a different incarnation of RDA, so you list all those forms on HRDA's page, not RDA's page. Same for Scarlight.
Shooting Riser is a younger form of Shooting Star. It's Level 7 and not Level 8, 9, or 10 which is weird (probably intentional from a gameplay perspective), so at best, you say it's a younger version of Shooting Star. You do not try to form some sort of relationship with Stardust Dragon. Not everything has to have a 'canon' role, and it is best (and easy) for people reading the trivia page to make their own conclusions/canon, once they see the connection to Shooting Star.
It seems you misunderstood what I was saying with "Kaibaman". My point was for you to look at "Kaibaman" without any knowledge of its lore/background, and judge it solely by its appearance and effect. It would be difficult to objectively say it's actually a human form of Blue-Eyes, or some sort of human worshipper. Therefore, you only list the similarities and connection to Blue-Eyes and leave it at that. Provide the objective information and let people draw their own conclusions. Trying to interpret details is not objective - you need quite a bit of contextual evidence (or just strong evidence).
From this (and "Hand of Nephthys"), we can tell that just wearing a costume based on the monster, and Special Summoning the namesake monster, is not enough to be considered an incarnation of the monster itself (unless you're literally named something like "Avatar of The Pot" or "The Creator Incarnate"). "Stardust Phantom" is odd, and at least its name seems to be referring to how it resurrects "Stardust". The details are already provided for "Stardust Phantom", let people draw their own conclusions. Even the JP wiki knows enough to not comment on it possibly being an incarnation of "Stardust Dragon". --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 18:10, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
"Stardust Phantom" is odd, and at least its name seems to be referring to how it resurrects "Stardust". The details are already provided for "Stardust Phantom", let people draw their own conclusions. Even the JP wiki knows enough to not comment on it possibly being an incarnation of "Stardust Dragon".
Fine.
"Stardust Phantom" is odd, and at least its name seems to be referring to how it resurrects "Stardust".
I have to tell that might be right. Odd, indeed.
My point was for you to look at "Kaibaman" without any knowledge of its lore/background
I at least know it is a character in GX, then I made my statements about it and the others, but this is a side question and I am certainly not going to add it to Blue-Eyes forms here.
HRDA is a different incarnation of RDA, so you list all those forms on HRDA's page, not RDA's page. Same for Scarlight.
That is completely right. I love to document all 14 forms of RDA/other counterparts.
Shooting Riser is a younger form of Shooting Star. It's Level 7 and not Level 8, 9, or 10 which is weird (probably intentional from a gameplay perspective), so at best, you say it's a younger version of Shooting Star.
True. So further evolved forms (like Shooting Majestic Star Dragon) count on Stardust's page, but not involved form of upgrades.
I am very tired of having to stoop to your level of analysis. Thankfully, "Stardust Xialong" has 4 digits on its hind leg, rendering all your pseudo-analysis pointless.
Sorry, I certainly expressed myself in a wrong way. I meant arms. Anyway, I suggest to leave Xiaolong out, if these similarities are really these weak.

NumbersHunter02 (talkcontribs) 21:37, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Insignificant edits[edit]

Stop making edits which do not change the visible appearance of a page, e.g. rearranging template parameters. These edits serve no useful purpose and only clutter page histories. ディノ千?!☎ Dinoguy1000 12:50, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Please do not create non-English versions of incomplete set lists. --XBrain130™エックスブレーン130」 20:03, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

You're just wasting your time tagging Card Names and Card Lores pages for deletion. We're planning to scrap the namespaces to begin with for the same reasons you cite, we've just not gotten around it yet. --XBrain130™エックスブレーン130」 19:55, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

That's cool, thanks for the info NumbersHunter02 (talkcontribs) 20:18, 10 July 2021 (UTC)