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! style="font-size: 150%;" colspan=2 class="mainheader" |[[Metagame|List of cards to side in to cripple Meta decks]]
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! colspan=2 class="mainheader" |<span id="TOContents">Contents</span>
 
|-
 
| Meta
 
|
 
* [[#C_Blackwing|Blackwing]]
 
* [[#C_Gladiator_Beasts|Gladiator Beasts]]
 
* [[#C_X-Saber|X-Saber]]
 
* [[#C_Infernity|Infernity]]
 
* [[#C_Lightsworn|Lightsworn]]
 
* [[#C_Plants/Naturia|Plants / Naturia]]
 
* [[#C_Quickdraw_Plants|Quickdraw Plants (Quickdraw DandyWarrior)]]
 
* [[#C_Gadgets/Machina_Gadget|Gadgets / Machina Gadget]]
 
* [[#C_Monarchs|Monarchs]]
 
* [[#C_Frognarchs|Frognarchs]]
 
* [[#C_Frogs|Frogs]]
 
* [[#C_Disaster_Dragon/Hopeless_Dragon|Disaster Dragon / Hopeless Dragon]]
 
* [[#C_Zombies|Zombies]]
 
* [[#C_Heralds|Heralds]]
 
* [[#C_Gravekeeper's|Gravekeeper's]]
 
|-
 
| Themed
 
|
 
* [[#C_Scrap|Scrap]]
 
* [[#C_Dragunity|Dragunity]]
 
* [[#C_Cyber_Dragon_OTK|Cyber Dragon OTK]]
 
* [[#C_Six_Samurai|Six Samurai]]
 
* [[#C_Fabled|Fabled]]
 
* [[#C_Fish_Synchro_OTK|Fish Synchro OTK]]
 
* [[#C_Batteryman|Batteryman]]
 
* [[#C_Exodia_OTK|Exodia OTK]]
 
* [[#C_Evil_Hero_Dark_Gaia_OTK|Evil Hero Dark Gaia OTK]]
 
|-
 
| Traditional Only
 
|
 
* [[#C_Flamvell/Cat_Synchro|(Flamvell) Cat Synchro]]
 
* [[#C_Frog_Burn_FTK|Frog Burn FTK]]
 
|-
 
! style="font-size: 110%;" align="center" |Card Name
 
! style="font-size: 110%;" align="center" |Reason
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Blackwing">[[Blackwing]]</span>
 
|-
 
| + [[Consecrated Light]]
 
| Restricts basically every monster in this deck, however it can be bypassed by cards like [[Book of Moon]], [[Smashing Ground]], [[Fissure]], [[Lightning Vortex]], [[Icarus Attack]], etc.
 
|-
 
| + [[Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror]]
 
| Restricts basically every monster in this deck, however it can be bypassed by cards like [[Icarus Attack]], or they can just play by Swarm and Synchro without using Effects. It also doesn't stop [[Kalut]].
 
|-
 
| - [[Trap Hole]]
 
| Screws with their [[Blackwing - Sirocco the Dawn]] and [[Black Whirlwind]] xD
 
|-
 
| - [[Compulsory Evacuation Device]]
 
| Similar to Trap Hole (above), but also stops their Synchro Monsters.
 
|-
 
| - [[Blackwing - Sirocco the Dawn]]
 
| Note how you can use the Opponent's Blackwings to power up your own Sirroco.
 
|-
 
| - [[D.D. Crow]]
 
| You can discard this to the [[Graveyard]] so you can [[Remove from play]] your opponent's [[Blackwing - Vayu the Emblem of Honor]] before they [[Synchro Summon]] another [[Blackwing]] [[Synchro Monster]].
 
|-
 
| - [[Mind Crush]]
 
| They search for cards quite a lot, use this after they search for something.
 
|-
 
| - [[Starlight Road]]
 
| Stops [[Icarus Attack]], [[Delta Crow - Anti Reverse]], [[Dark Hole]], [[Black Rose Dragon]], etc.
 
|-
 
| - [[Nobleman of Extermination]]
 
| rowspan="3" | Stops [[Icarus Attack]], [[Delta Crow - Anti Reverse]], [[Solemn Warning]], [[Bottomless Trap Hole]], etc.
 
|-
 
| - [[Seven Tools of the Bandit]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Trap Stun]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Lightning Vortex]]
 
| They swarm a lot, but [[Dark Hole]] might be enough anyway. Just be sure you can stop/prevent Vayu afterwards.
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Gladiator Beasts">[[Gladiator Beasts]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Archlord Kristya]]
 
| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
 
|-
 
| > [[Royal Oppression]]
 
|-
 
| + [[Corridor of Agony]]
 
| It may seem like it would Cripple the deck, however it can be bypassed by cards like [[Dust Tornado]]. It also doesn't stop the Extra Deck monsters like [[Gyzarus]].
 
|-
 
| + [[Skill Drain]]
 
| It may seem like it would Cripple the deck, however it can be bypassed by the [[Book of Moon]] combo.
 
|-
 
| + [[G.B. Hunter]]
 
| It may seem like it would Cripple the deck, however it can be bypassed by cards like [[Book of Moon]] and [[Smashing Ground]].
 
|-
 
| + [[Legendary Jujitsu Master]]
 
| Stops the GB from tagging out. Top decks the monster. High DEF (No Non-Tribute Effect Monster GB can beat it by itself), however it can be bypassed by cards like [[Enemy Controller]], [[Smashing Ground]], [[Test Tiger]] and [[Gyzarus]].
 
|-
 
| - [[Swallow Flip]]
 
| rowspan="2" | Stops almost every Monster in this deck.
 
|-
 
| - [[Chivalry]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Solemn Warning]]
 
| Stops every Monster in this deck. Works best against [[Gyzarus]] and [[Heraklinos]], that way they stay in the Graveyard.
 
|-
 
| - [[Mirror of Oaths]]
 
| It doesn't negate the Effect, but it does destroy the monster, and you draw 1 card so you don't lose card advantage.
 
|-
 
| - [[D.D. Warrior Lady]]
 
| When attacked, she removes the monster that attacked. GBs generally run 1 [[Equeste]], [[Bestiari]], etc. and without that 1 monster, the deck would be hindered to a certain extent.
 
|-
 
| - [[Prohibition]]
 
| Call [[Bestiari]] and they won't be able to destroy S/T cards at all since it stops both [[Bestiari]] and [[Gyzarus]], however it can be bypassed by cards like [[Dust Tornado]].
 
|-
 
| - [[Jowls of Dark Demise]]
 
| rowspan="2" | Let the Opponent attack into this monster, Triggering it's Effect. Take control of the GB so they can't 'Tag-out'. This works even better if you have a GB in your own deck. That way, you can return your Opponent's GB that attacked to their deck to Summon your GB from your Deck. This strategy is used in a Mirror Match, but it works as a side strategy like this as well.
 
|-
 
| - [[Rafflesia Seduction]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Nobleman of Extermination]]
 
| Hopefully you hit [[Gladiator Beast War Chariot|Chariot]]. Generally, after they add it with Equeste, they set it right away, so you know where it is.
 
|-
 
| - [[Dimensional Prison]]
 
| This really annoys them when used correctly.
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_X-Saber">[[X-Saber]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Archlord Kristya]]
 
| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
 
|-
 
| > [[Royal Oppression]]
 
|-
 
| + [[Ancient Forest]]
 
| This deck focuses on Battle, however it can be bypassed by cards like [[Saber Slash]].
 
|-
 
| + [[Macro Cosmos]]
 
| rowspan="4" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard, however it can be bypassed by cards like [[Saber Slash]].
 
|-
 
| + [[Dimensional Fissure]]
 
|-
 
| + [[Necrovalley]]
 
|-
 
| + [[The End of Anubis]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Chain Disappearance]]
 
| Removes all 3 [[XX-Saber Darksoul]]s.
 
|-
 
| - [[Prohibition]]
 
| Call [[XX-Saber Faultroll]] to hinders their general tactics.
 
|-
 
| - [[Gottoms' Emergency Call]]
 
| Note how you can Special Summon from either player's Graveyard.
 
|-
 
| - [[Thunder King Rai-Oh]]
 
| Stops their [[XX-Saber Darksoul]], and stops their [[XX-Saber Gottoms]]/[[XX-Saber Hyunlei]] if they choose to Synchro Summon.
 
|-
 
| - [[D.D. Crow]]
 
| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses on the Graveyard.
 
|-
 
| - [[Crevice Into the Different Dimension]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Sillva, Warlord of Dark World]]
 
| rowspan="3" | [[XX-Saber Gottoms]]/[[X-Saber Airbellum]] just got owned!
 
|-
 
| - [[Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Reign-Beaux, Overlord of Dark World]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Gemini Imps]]
 
| It's more reliable that Goldd, but packs less of a punch, but you do draw 1 card as well.
 
|-
 
| - [[Trap Hole]]
 
| Stopping the first monster would stop the swarm that comes with it.
 
|-
 
| - [[Hero's Rule 2]]
 
| Negates and destroys cards like Gottom's E Call and Faultroll.
 
|-
 
| - [[Swallow Flip]]
 
| Negates and destroys cards like Hyunlei, Ragigura, Wayne, etc.
 
|-
 
| - [[Starlight Road]]
 
| Works really well against Hyunlei, however note that [[Forum:Saber slash vs starlight road|it may not always work against Saber Slash]].
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Infernity">[[Infernity]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Consecrated Light]]
 
| rowspan="2" | Restricts basically every monster in this deck.
 
|-
 
| > [[Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror]]
 
|-
 
| > [[Royal Oppression]]
 
| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
 
|-
 
| > [[Archlord Kristya]]
 
|-
 
| > [[Thunder King Rai-Oh]]
 
| The level 4 beatstick in this deck is 1800 ATK, it can't beat 1900 ATK. Stops Infernity Archfiend search. Can negate 1 Special Summon.
 
|-
 
| > [[Macro Cosmos]]
 
| rowspan="4" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
 
|-
 
| > [[Dimensional Fissure]]
 
|-
 
| > [[Necrovalley]]
 
|-
 
| > [[The End of Anubis]]
 
|-
 
| > [[King Tiger Wanghu]]
 
| Stops almost all their monsters. Works even better when used with [[Burden of the Mighty]], that way, it can even stop Archfiend and [[Dark Grepher]].
 
|-
 
| > [[Skill Drain]]
 
| Stops Archfiend and Necromancer. That'll severely slow them down.
 
|-
 
| + [[Chain Disappearance]]
 
| Removes all 3 [[Infernity Mirage]] or [[Infernity Necromancer]].
 
|-
 
| - [[Prohibition]]
 
| Call [[Infernity Necromancer|Necromancer]] or [[Infernity Archfiend|Archfiend]] to hinder their general tactics.
 
|-
 
| - [[Swallow Flip]]
 
| Stops [[Infernity Archfiend]].
 
|-
 
| - [[Discord]]
 
| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on Synchro Summons to OTK or gain field advantage.
 
|-
 
| - [[Grave of the Super Ancient Organism]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Dark Bribe]]
 
| Negate's an S/T Effect, also makes them Draw 1 card so they won't be Handless.
 
|-
 
| - [[Dust Tornado]]
 
| "Destroy [[Infernity Launcher|Launcher]] as soon as it's activated, make your opponent a very sad person." It can also be used to stop a few of their [[Infernity Barrier]]s.
 
|-
 
| - [[Effect Veiler]]
 
| Stops the [[Infernity Archfiend|Archfiend]], or leaves the opponent with an ATK position Necromancer.
 
|-
 
| - [[Compulsory Evacuation Device]]
 
| When the opponent Special Summons Infernity Archfiend, return it to the hand and they cannot search for a card.
 
|-
 
| - [[Karma Cut]]
 
| rowspan="4" | Removes copies of cards to hinder their Synchro Summon ability.
 
|-
 
| - [[D.D. Crow]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Crevice Into the Different Dimension]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Big Burn]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Hero's Rule 2]]
 
| Negates and destroys cards like Necromancer and Launcher.
 
|-
 
| - [[Summon Limit]]
 
| Greatly hinders their general tactics.
 
|-
 
| - [[Book of Eclipse]]
 
| Flips monsters face-down so they can't Synchro Summon yet, at End Phase it makes them Draw to make them not Handless.
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Lightsworn">[[Lightsworn]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Royal Oppression]]
 
| This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
 
|-
 
| > [[Macro Cosmos]]
 
| rowspan="4" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
 
|-
 
| > [[Dimensional Fissure]]
 
|-
 
| > [[Necrovalley]]
 
|-
 
| > [[The End of Anubis]]
 
|-
 
| > [[Light-Imprisoning Mirror]]
 
| Restricts basically every monster in this deck, however it doesn't stop [[Honest]]'s main effect.
 
|-
 
| - [[Skill Drain]]
 
| Only if you think you can overpower their attacks; of if you're not affected by it, it would be similar to Light-Imprisoning Mirror.
 
|-
 
| - [[D.D. Crow]]
 
| rowspan="4" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
 
|-
 
| - [[Big Burn]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Soul Release]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Crevice Into the Different Dimension]]
 
|-
 
| - [[My Body as a Shield]]
 
| Stops [[Judgment Dragon]], [[Celestia]], [[Ryko]] (if it was Flip Summoned), etc.
 
|-
 
| - [[Starlight Road]]
 
| Stops [[Judgment Dragon]], [[Celestia]], etc.
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Plants/Naturia">[[Plants]] / [[Naturia]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Archlord Kristya]]
 
| This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
 
|-
 
| > [[Macro Cosmos]]
 
| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
 
|-
 
| > [[Dimensional Fissure]]
 
|-
 
| > [[Zombie World]]
 
| Restricts basically every monster in this deck, it also prevents the use of cards S/T like [[Wall of Thorns]], [[Pollinosis]], etc.
 
|-
 
| + [[Chain Disappearance]]
 
| Removes all 3 [[Naturia Pineapple]]s, [[Debris Dragon]], [[Quickdraw Synchron]] or both [[Dandylion]]s.
 
|-
 
| - [[Book of Moon]]
 
| Use this before they try to Synchro Summon and LOL at their ATK position [[Debris Dragon]], [[Dandylion]], etc.
 
|-
 
| - [[Necrovalley]]
 
| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard, however there aren't too many effects that Target the Graveyard. Gigaplant does not Target.
 
|-
 
| - [[The End of Anubis]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Crevice Into the Different Dimension]]
 
| rowspan="4" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard, especially on whichever plant the deck is based upon. Common ones include [[Gigaplant]], [[Dandylion]], [[Lonefire Blossom]].
 
|-
 
| - [[Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer]]
 
|-
 
| - [[D.D. Crow]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Big Burn]]
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Quickdraw_Plants">[[Plants#Quickdraw Plants|Quickdraw Plants]] (Quickdraw DandyWarrior)</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Archlord Kristya]]
 
| This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
 
|-
 
| > [[King Tiger Wanghu]]
 
| This deck focuses on Summoning lots of weaklings and using them to Synchro Summon for a 'Big Guy'. This card prevents that from happening. Kills cards like [[Quickdraw Synchron]], [[Dandylion]] & [[Fluff Token]]s, [[Lonefire Blossom]].
 
|-
 
| > [[Royal Oppression]]
 
| Unlike the regular Plant deck. This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons that don't occur in the Damage Step.
 
|-
 
| > [[Macro Cosmos]]
 
| rowspan="4" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
 
|-
 
| > [[Dimensional Fissure]]
 
|-
 
| > [[Necrovalley]]
 
|-
 
| > [[The End of Anubis]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Nobleman of Crossout]]
 
| Instantly removes from play all copies of [[Ryko]]/[[Super-Nimble Mega Hamster]]/[[Gravekeeper's Spy]]/etc.
 
|-
 
| - [[Zombie World]]
 
| Restricts a lot of the monsters in this deck.
 
|-
 
| - [[Crevice Into the Different Dimension]]
 
| rowspan="4" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard, especially on whichever plant the deck is based upon. Common ones include [[Gigaplant]], [[Dandylion]], [[Lonefire Blossom]].
 
|-
 
| - [[Chain Disappearance]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Karma Cut]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Big Burn]]
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Gadgets/Machina_Gadget">[[Gadgets]] / [[Machina Gadget]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Skill Drain]]
 
| This deck relies on their Effect when being Summoned to gain card advantage. Stops the Gadgets and [[Machina Gearframe]] from doing this.
 
|-
 
| + [[King Tiger Wanghu]]
 
| The monsters in this deck as mostly weak Gadgets. This card kills all Gadgets, however can be destroyed by cards like [[Smashing Ground]], [[Fissure]], etc.
 
|-
 
| + [[Thunder King Rai-Oh]]
 
| This deck relies on adding cards to their and from the Deck to gain card advantage, however can be destroyed by cards like [[Smashing Ground]], [[Fissure]], etc.
 
|-
 
| - [[Deck Devastation Virus]]
 
| Kills all Gadgets for a while.
 
|-
 
| - [[System Down]]
 
| Removes them from play all their monsters on both the field and Graveyard. It does not Destroy. It's hilarious when used at the right moment.
 
|-
 
| - [[Cyber Dragon]]
 
| To be used with [[Chimeratech Fortress Dragon]]. It clears your opponent's monsters and allows you to gain a potentially strong monster. Works well against Machina Gadgets, but may not work as well against Gadget Oppression.
 
|-
 
| - [[Pulling the Rug]]
 
| Works well against [[Machina Gearframe]] or the Gadgets.
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Monarchs">[[Monarchs]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[By Order of the Emperor]]
 
| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on their Effects.
 
|-
 
| > [[Skill Drain]]
 
|-
 
| > [[Zombie World]]
 
| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on Tribute Summons.
 
|-
 
| > [[Mask of Restrict]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Pulling the Rug]]
 
| Negates the effect and Destroys the monster.
 
|-
 
| - [[Intercept]]
 
| Unlike Pulling the Rug, it doesn't Negate the effect, but you gain the monster/the Opponent loses a relatively strong monster.
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Frognarchs">[[Frognarchs]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[By Order of the Emperor]]
 
| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on their Effects.
 
|-
 
| > [[Skill Drain]]
 
|-
 
| > [[Zombie World]]
 
| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on Tribute Summons.
 
|-
 
| > [[Mask of Restrict]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Pulling the Rug]]
 
| Negates the effect and Destroys the monster.
 
|-
 
| - [[Intercept]]
 
| Unlike Pulling the Rug, it doesn't Negate the effect, but you gain the monster/the Opponent loses a relatively strong monster.
 
|-
 
| - [[Chain Disappearance]]
 
| There goes all 3 [[Ronintoadin]]s, [[Battle Fader]], [[Treeborn Frog]], etc.
 
|-
 
| - [[Crevice Into the Different Dimension]]
 
| rowspan="4" | This deck can focus on certain cards in the graveyard (e.g. [[Treeborn Frog]], [[Ronintoadin]])
 
|-
 
| - [[D.D. Crow]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Chain Disappearance]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Karma Cut]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Deck Devastation Virus]]
 
| No more frogs for you! xD
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Frogs">[[Frog]]s</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[King Tiger Wanghu]]
 
| Destroys many of the monsters in Synchro builds, basically all monsters in Frog Driver FTK and the Tribute fodder for Frognarchs. However, it does not affect the Solid/Wetlands builds.
 
|-
 
| > [[Royal Oppression]]
 
| This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
 
|-
 
| > [[Skill Drain]]
 
| This deck focuses heavily on Effects.
 
|-
 
| - [[Possessed Dark Soul]]
 
| Your 'Frog-Lock' is now my 'Frog-Lock'! (Dupe-Dupe and [[Substitoad|Sub]]-[[Dupe Frog|Dupe]] Locks)
 
|-
 
| - [[Deck Devastation Virus]]
 
| No more frogs for you! xD
 
|-
 
| - [[Necrovalley]]
 
| rowspan="2" | Stops [[Fishborg Blaster]], [[Ronintoadin]] and [[Pot of Avarice]], however instead of Synchro Summoning, they could use an alternate strategy and lock you down and attack directly or something.
 
|-
 
| - [[The End of Anubis]]
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Disaster_Dragon/Hopeless_Dragon">[[Disaster Dragon]] / [[Hopeless Dragon]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Zombie World]]
 
| This deck focuses heavily on having Dragon Type monsters. Stops cards like [[Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon]] and [[Stamping Destruction]].
 
|-
 
| > [[Archlord Kristya]]
 
| This deck focuses heavily on having Special Summoning monsters.
 
|-
 
| + [[Royal Oppression]]
 
| This deck focuses heavily on having Special Summoning monsters, however it can be bypassed by cards like [[Stamping Destruction]].
 
|-
 
| + [[Grave of the Super Ancient Organism]]
 
| Many of the monsters in this deck are high level monsters and are Special Summoned by [[Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon]], however it can be bypassed by cards like [[Stamping Destruction]].
 
|-
 
| rowspan="2" | + [[Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror]]
 
| Works well against several key cards including [[Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon]], however it can be bypassed by cards like [[Stamping Destruction]].
 
|-
 
| + [[Prohibition]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Different Dimension Ground]]
 
| Works well against [[Future Fusion]], [[Foolish Burial]], [[Trade-In]], etc. To removal the strong monsters before they are sent to the graveyard for revival.
 
|-
 
| - [[Necrovalley]]
 
| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard, however there aren't too many effects that Target the Graveyard. Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon does not Target.
 
|-
 
| - [[The End of Anubis]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Macro Cosmos]]
 
| rowspan="4" | This deck can focus on the Graveyard.
 
|-
 
| - [[Dimensional Fissure]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer]]
 
|-
 
| - [[D.D. Crow]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Electric Virus]]
 
| Acts as a [[Brain Control]], allowing you do get rid of a monster and then Synchro or Tribute it for one of your own.
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Zombies">[[Zombies]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Archlord Kristya]]
 
| This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
 
|-
 
| > [[Macro Cosmos]]
 
| rowspan="4" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
 
|-
 
| > [[Dimensional Fissure]]
 
|-
 
| > [[Necrovalley]]
 
|-
 
| > [[The End of Anubis]]
 
|-
 
| + [[Consecrated Light]]
 
| Restricts quite a few monsters in this deck, however there are just as many EARTH monsters in this deck.
 
|-
 
| - [[Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer]]
 
| rowspan="3" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
 
|-
 
| - [[D.D. Crow]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Big Burn]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Book of Life]]
 
| If [[Zombie World]] is in play, you can use this card to revive a monster, then remove an important monster from the Opponent's Graveyard.
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Heralds">[[Heralds]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Royal Oppression]]
 
| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons. Just get it out before [[Herald of Perfection]] is Summoned.
 
|-
 
| > [[Archlord Kristya]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Banisher of the Radiance]]
 
| A [[Continuous Monster Effect]], so Herald can't negate it. It prevents cards from being sent to the Graveyard for a cost, so Herald's effect can't be activated, allowing you to destroy Herald by following it up with a card like [[Smashing Ground]].
 
|-
 
| - [[Prohibition]]
 
| There are quite a few Herald decks that don't even main [[MST]], so if you can call Herald before it comes out, they don't have much to play with afterwards.
 
|-
 
| - [[Light-Imprisoning Mirror]]
 
| Just get this out before Herald of Perfection is able to be Summoned.
 
|-
 
| - [[Mind Crush]]
 
| Chain it to the Ritual Spell and declare Herald of Perfection xD
 
|-
 
| - [[Divine Wrath]]
 
| If you couldn't stop it before-hand, then use this, as it can't stop Spell Speed 3 cards.
 
|-
 
| - [[Volcanic Queen]]
 
| rowspan="2" | Alternatively, you could just use these to take Herald of Perfection out. However, this can only be done if their [[Archlord Kristya]] isn't out yet.
 
|-
 
| - [[Lava Golem]]
 
|-
 
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|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Gravekeeper's">[[Gravekeeper's]]</span>
 
|-
 
| - [[Nobleman of Crossout]]
 
| Gets rid off all their [[Gravekeeper's Spy|Spies]] and [[Gravekeeper's Guard|Guards]].
 
|-
 
| - [[Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror]]
 
| Stops [[Gravekeeper's Descendant|Descendant]], [[Gravekeeper's Spy|Spy]], [[Gravekeeper's Assailant|Assailant]] and [[Gravekeeper's Recruiter|Recruiter]].
 
|-
 
| - [[Skill Drain]]
 
|
 
|-
 
| - [[Dimensional Prison]]
 
| Stops [[Gravekeeper's Visionary|Visionary]] and [[Gravekeeper's Recruiter|Recruiter]].
 
|-
 
| - [[Dust Tornado]]
 
| If you have problems with [[Necrovalley]].
 
|-
 
| - [[Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell]]
 
| Permanently shut down [[Necrovalley]] (which also shuts down [[Royal Tribute]]) or [[Gravekeeper's Stele]].
 
|-
 
| - [[Gemini Imps]]
 
| rowspan="4" | If you often get hit by [[Royal Tribute]] during the first turn or so, you could try some of these.
 
|-
 
| - [[Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Sillva, Warlord of Dark World]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Reign-Beaux, Overlord of Dark World]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Ceasefire]]
 
| Stops [[Gravekeeper's Spy|Spy]] and [[Gravekeeper's Guard|Guard]], then takes out a large chunk of the opponent's Life Points.
 
|-
 
| - [[Last Day of Witch]]
 
| Probably works best if comboed with the above card. But be aware that they could regain advantage with [[Gravekeeper's Stele]], and Visionary can be protected against this card.
 
|-
 
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|-
 
! style="font-size: 150%;" colspan=2 class="mainheader" |[[Theme Deck|List of cards to side in to cripple Common Themed decks]]<br>
 
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! style="font-size: 110%;" align="center" |Card Name
 
! style="font-size: 110%;" align="center" |Reason
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Scrap">[[Scrap]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Necrovalley]]
 
|-
 
| > [[Macro Cosmos]]
 
| rowspan="3" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
 
|-
 
| > [[Dimensional Fissure]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Crevice into the Different Dimension]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Mind Crush]]
 
| They search for cards quite a lot, use this after they search for something.
 
|-
 
| - [[Caius the Shadow Monarch]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Different Dimension Ground]]
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Dragunity">[[Dragunity]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Macro Cosmos]]
 
| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
 
|-
 
| > [[Dimensional Fissure]]
 
|-
 
| > [[Zombie World]]
 
| The deck relies on their Types being Dragon or Winged-Beast. It also replaces their field spell [[Dragon Canyon]]. However, be sure to have multiple copies of this card, as they also run multiple copies of Dragon Canyon and Terraforming.
 
|-
 
| - [[Necrovalley]]
 
| Prevents effects which equip cards from the graveyard. It also replaces their field spell [[Dragon Canyon]].
 
|-
 
| - [[Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer]]
 
| rowspan="3" | Remove some of the monsters that they might equip from the graveyard. Common ones include Brandistock, Phalanx and [[Light and Darkness Dragon]].
 
|-
 
| - [[D.D. Crow]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Crevice into the Different Dimension]]
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Cyber_Dragon_OTK">[[Cyber Dragon OTK]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Royal Oppression]]
 
| Stops all their Fusions and [[Cyber Dragon]].
 
|-
 
| - [[System Down]]
 
| Removes them from play all their monsters on both the field and Graveyard. It does not Destroy. It's hilarious when used at the right moment.
 
|-
 
| - [[Cyber Dragon]]
 
| To be used with [[Chimeratech Fortress Dragon]]. It clears your opponent's monsters and allows you to gain a potentially strong monster.
 
|-
 
| - [[Magic Cylinder]]
 
| Works well against [[Power Bond]], or just the regular Fusions.
 
|-
 
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|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Six_Samurai">[[Six Samurai]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Gozen Match]]
 
| This deck uses all Attributes, so this card would greatly hinder the deck.
 
|-
 
| - [[Warrior Elimination]]
 
| No cost and destroys all your Opponent's monsters.
 
|-
 
| - [[Kinetic Soldier]]
 
| All their monsters will be Warriors, who doesn't like a no tribute 3350 ATK monster?
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Fabled">[[Fabled]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Macro Cosmos]]
 
| rowspan="2" | Fabled cards need to be Discarded to the Graveyard.
 
|-
 
| > [[Dimensional Fissure]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Crevice Into the Different Dimension]]
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Fish_Synchro_OTK">[[Fish Synchro OTK Deck|Fish Synchro OTK]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Royal Oppression]]
 
| This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
 
|-
 
| - [[Eternal Drought]] (OCG Only)
 
| No cost and Destroys all your Opponent's monsters.
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Batteryman">[[Batteryman]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Royal Oppression]]
 
| This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
 
|-
 
| - [[Starlight Road]]
 
| Works well against [[Batteryman Industrial Strength]] and [[Short Circuit]].
 
|-
 
| - [[Zombie World]]
 
| Stops [[Thunder (Attribute)|Thunder]] support cards such as [[Judgement of Thunder]]. It will also prevent the use of [[Batteryman Industrial Strength]]'s destruction effect.
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Exodia_OTK">[[Exodia OTK]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Skill Drain]]
 
| rowspan="2" | Most of these types of decks rely on [[Royal Magical Library]], so stopping that would most likely stop their draw engine.
 
|-
 
| > [[Light-Imprisoning Mirror]]
 
|-
 
| > [[D.D. Designator]]
 
| Exodia decks don't have cards that can return their pieces from the RFP zone, so if you're lucky enough (or if they [[Gold Sarcophagus|Sarc]]'d a piece), then you've basically won.
 
|-
 
| - [[Thunder King Rai-Oh]]
 
| Stops [[The White Stone of Legend]], [[Sangan]], [[Emissary of the Afterlife]], [[Toon Table of Contents]], etc.
 
|-
 
| - [[Protector of the Sanctuary]]
 
| Stops any draw power they may use, such as [[Trade-In]], [[Royal Magical Library]], [[Super Rejuvenation]], [[Cards of Consonance]], [[Upstart Goblin]], etc.
 
|-
 
| - [[Macro Cosmos]]
 
| rowspan="2" | If they don't FTK you, these cards can mess their strategies up a bit; e.g. [[Broww, Huntsman of Dark World]], [[Pot of Avarice]], etc.
 
|-
 
| - [[Dimensional Fissure]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Effect Veiler]]
 
| rowspan="2" | These are to stop the deck's [[FTK]], it would be used against Royal Magical Library.
 
|-
 
| - [[Herald of Orange Light]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Hand Destruction]]
 
| rowspan="3" | Quite a few Exodia decks don't use cards to return pieces to their hand and focus more on a FTK. These cards work well against those. Generally, [[Pot of Avarice]], [[Backup Soldier]], [[Dark Eruption]] and [[Dark Factory of Mass Production]] are the only cards to can use to return the pieces, so be sure to be prepared with another card of they actually do have those in their deck.
 
|-
 
| - [[Card Destruction]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Mind Crush]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Exchange]]
 
| Now, this is hilarious. Grab a piece beforehand and then laugh when they get their 5th (now 4th) piece.
 
|-
 
| colspan=2 align=right | [[#TOContents|Top]]
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Evil_Hero_Dark_Gaia_OTK">[[Evil Hero Dark Gaia OTK]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Skill Drain]]
 
| 0 ATK Dark Gaia xD
 
|-
 
| - [[Macro Cosmos]]
 
| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses quite a lot on the Graveyard with Dark Calling.
 
|-
 
| - [[Dimensional Fissure]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Zombie World]]
 
| rowspan="2" | Stops Dark Calling which is more of a threat than Dark Fusion. However, it can't stop Dark Fusion.
 
|-
 
| - [[Necrovalley]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Effect Veiler]]
 
| 0 ATK Dark Gaia, however cannot be used on Dark Fusioned Gaia right away.
 
|-
 
| - [[Battle Fader]]
 
| Ends Battle Phase, next turn Monarch or something.
 
|-
 
| - [[Honest]]
 
| Dark Gaia just got owned.
 
|-
 
| - [[Crevice Into the Different Dimension]]
 
| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses quite a lot on the Graveyard with Dark Calling.
 
|-
 
| - [[D.D. Crow]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Magic Cylinder]]
 
| rowspan="2" | They won't even see what hit them.
 
|-
 
| - [[Dimension Wall]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Flip Flop Frog]]
 
| rowspan="2" | Sends Dark Gaia back to the Extra Deck, since it's not a Flip Effect.
 
|-
 
| - [[Nightmare Penguin]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Amazoness Swords Woman]]
 
| Set this, then hope they attack and activate the effect to switch this card to face-up attack mode. However, they'll probably learn after getting hit a few times, so be sure to have something else up your sleeve as well.
 
|-
 
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|-
 
! style="font-size: 150%;" colspan=2 class="mainheader" |[[Traditional Format|Traditional Only]]<br>
 
|-
 
! style="font-size: 110%;" align="center" |Card Name
 
! style="font-size: 110%;" align="center" |Reason
 
|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Flamvell/Cat_Synchro">([[Flamvell]]) [[Cat Synchro]]</span>
 
|-
 
| > [[Archlord Kristya]]
 
| This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
 
|-
 
| > [[Macro Cosmos]]
 
| rowspan="4" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
 
|-
 
| > [[Dimensional Fissure]]
 
|-
 
| > [[Necrovalley]]
 
|-
 
| > [[The End of Anubis]]
 
|-
 
| > [[Rivalry of Warlords]]
 
| This deck uses a Variety of Types, so this card would hinder the deck.
 
|-
 
| - [[Nobleman of Crossout]]
 
| Instantly removes from play all copies of [[Ryko]]/[[Super-Nimble Mega Hamster]]/[[Gravekeeper's Spy]]/etc.
 
|-
 
| - [[Discord]]
 
|  This deck focuses heavily on Synchro Summons to OTK or gain field advantage.
 
|-
 
| - [[Chivalry]]
 
| Stops many monsters in this deck, including [[Flamvell Firedog]], [[Super-Nimble Mega Hamster]], [[X-Saber Airbellum]], [[Gravekeeper's Spy]], [[Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter]], [[Sangan]], etc.
 
|-
 
| - [[Solemn Warning]]
 
| Stops many monsters in this deck, including [[Flamvell Firedog]], [[Super-Nimble Mega Hamster]], [[Gravekeeper's Spy]], etc.
 
|-
 
| - [[Large Trap Hole]]
 
| This may seem to be the key to stopping Rescue Cat once and for all; however, unlike [[Bottomless Trap Hole]], this card sends the monsters to the Graveyard. That means, this card will instantly allow them to use [[Pot of Avarice]], so it's a good idea to have cards like [[D.D. Crow]] ready to intercept it.
 
|-
 
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|-
 
! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |<span id="C_Frog_Burn_FTK">[[Frog Burn FTK]]</span>
 
|-
 
|
 
| For this deck, I'll mainly list the things used to stop the actual FTK. For stopping the rest of the deck, see the [[#C_Frognarchs|Frognarchs]] and [[#C_Frogs|Frogs]] lists.
 
|-
 
| - [[Effect Veiler]]
 
|-
 
| - [[Hanewata]]
 
|-
 
| - [[D.D. Crow]]
 
|-
 
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|-
 
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* {{User:Falzar_FZ/Sig}} 12:31, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 
* {{User:Falzar_FZ/Sig}} 12:31, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
  
= September 2010 =
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== New Decktype ==
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Maybe we should add a new deck to the decklist: the one that revolves around [[Reborn Tengu]]. A good number of Tengu decks made it to the Top 32 in the previous Orlando tournament. Maybe a couple of cards that can be sided-in against them are [[Archlord Kristya]] and [[Royal Oppression]], since Tengu decks seem to rely a lot on Special Summoning.
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[[User:Moja619|Moja619]] ([[User talk:Moja619|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Moja619|contribs]]) 17:39, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
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: [[Vanity's Fiend]] used in Frog decks.
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: [[Debunk]]
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: and you ''could'' abuse the fact that [[Reborn Tengu]] is a [[Mandatory]] Trigger. Would be nice if there was some combo that lets you attack all of them continuously and OTK them.... or vice versa, like a Strong monster + [[Battle Mania]]. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 02:04, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
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can i ask what cards is best to side against twilight deck ? if i'm not wrong i has not see on the the list [[User:Gemini 93|Gemini 93]] ([[User talk:Gemini 93|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gemini 93|contribs]]) 02:39, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
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: First two that come to mind are [[Chaos Trap Hole]], [[Koa'ki Meiru Drago]] (kinda);
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: other anti Special Summoned cards, other anti Lightsworn cards (depending on the type of Twilight deck). <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 02:37, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
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: Well if you are running a simple deck, i would say light and shadow imprisonment Mirror, especially when the foe is using  a  lightsworn dragon --[[User:MSBlinga|MSBlinga]] ([[User talk:MSBlinga|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MSBlinga|contribs]]) 21:28, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
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:Prohibition against Monarchs and Frogs = Win.{{User:BobaFett2/sig2}}
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:: What is the best monster to declare?
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:: added Chain Disappearance against Formula Synchron spammers
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:: Rivalry of Warlords against Monarchs (before, if you only control 1 monster, you can Tribute 1 Type for another Type in a Tribute Summon; now you cannot.)
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:: Added section on Dark World.
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:: <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 11:57, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
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 +
How come [[Reborn Tengu|Tengu]] [[Synchro Summon|Synchro]] still doesn't appear in the Deck list above? It's pretty much dominating the major tournaments since Tengu's release  [[User:Moja619|Moja619]] ([[User talk:Moja619|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Moja619|contribs]]) 21:06, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
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: It's being discussed, (under the heading "New Decktype"; just a few lines above).
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: I'm not sure if it's worth starting a new section for them, or add it to the plants section.
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: Any suggestions on the cards apart from the ones in the plants section and the 2 mentioned above? <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 01:57, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
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Yeah, i see your point. plant synchro is quite similar to Tengu synchro outside of tengu itself. i don't know if the negation effects of cards like [[Solemn Warning]], [[Thunder King Rai-Oh]] and [[Black Horn of Heaven]] used on a [[Special Summon|Special Summoned]] tengu will prevent it from using its effect.  [[User:Moja619|Moja619]] ([[User talk:Moja619|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Moja619|contribs]]) 02:03, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
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: [[Thunder King Rai-Oh]]/[[Black Horn of Heaven]] (Summon negation) cards don't work against Special Summons that occur during resolution of an effect. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 02:44, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
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== Modern Built ==
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 +
:Gladiator Beasts: [[Solemn Warning]]
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:Gladiator Beasts: [[Dimensional Prison]]
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:Warning is definitely a Main Deck card.
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:Dragons:[[Different Dimension Ground]] won't do anything if chained to [[Trade-In]] since discarding a monster is a [[cost]]. [[Special:Contributions/207.233.120.2|207.233.120.2]] ([[User talk:207.233.120.2|talk]]) 21:18, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
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Most people maindeck both already.{{User:BobaFett2/sig2}}
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: Solemn Warning's a [[Staple]], Dimensional Prison is already listed there.
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: Was intended to prevent Trade-In from being activated that turn by activating it before hand, like in the Standby Phase, but I guess there's little point in that and you don't know when the opponent would have it, removed Trade-In from the list. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 01:41, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
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::I think they're already [[Staples]], and are thus not [[Side Deck]] Material.
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[[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Designless Square|contribs]]) 20:32, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
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==Stuff==
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:In the references to [[Necrovalley]], both [[Gigaplant]] and [[REDMD]] are noted to "not Target". That is no longer an issue. I find it ironic that there's a warning to get [[Royal Oppression]] out before [[Herald of Perfection]] comes out, but nothing like that in the [[Six Samurai|6S]] section.
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:Also, you listed [[Ally Salvo]] as a counter to [[Celestia]] and [[JD]]. Prolly dittography.
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By the way, does [[Dimensional Fissure]] hurt [[Gravekeeper's]]? [[Special:Contributions/207.233.120.2|207.233.120.2]] ([[User talk:207.233.120.2|talk]]) 21:18, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
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:: Fixed, thanks.
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:: Removed; was probably thinking of something else.
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:: Not really... I don't think so... <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 01:41, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
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==Allies of Justice==
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[[Ally of Justice Cycle Reader]] is awesome against Lightsworns and Agents-it's a double D.D. Crow and it's a Level 3 Tuner monster if you want to use it in a Synchro Summon. [[Ally of Justice Core Destroyer]] is a Catastor when you're dueling Agents and Lightsworns that you can summon at no cost.{{User:BobaFett2/sig2}}
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:"Cycle Reader" is a great Side, particularly against [[Fabled]]. "Core Destroyer" is OK, but [[Agent]]s can Synchro around it or bomb it with "[[Master Hyperion|Hyperion]]". Lightsworns have a bit of trouble unless they're the [[Chaos]] variant (they usually are). 'Least it kills "Wulf".
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::On an unrelated note, "[[Chain Disappearance]]" only works against "[[Infernity Mirage]]" in the OCG.
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[[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Designless Square|contribs]]) 20:24, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
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::: Can you explain? I don't see why it can't be used on [[Infernity Necromancer]] in the <s>OCG</s>TCG... <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 22:54, September 26, 2011 (UTC)
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Cards to side against Agents need to be added, as they are now the top deck of the format. I recommend [[Thunder King Rai-Oh]] (stops Earth, negates Hyperion/Kristya/BLS if they run it, Sangan if they run BLS), [[Light-Imprisoning Mirror]] (stops everything), [[Leeching the Light]], (gain major ATK for game, was popular at the last YCS), [[Dimensional Fissure]]/[[Macro Cosmos]] (nothing in grave, no fuel for Hyperion, nothing to drop Kristya, nothing for BLS, Sangan doesn't search). [[User:Lappyzard|Lappyzard]] ([[User talk:Lappyzard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lappyzard|contribs]]) 05:57, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
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[[Grave of the Super Ancient Organism]] stops Hyperion, BLS, Kristya, and Trishula as well as the occasional Stardust. [[Chain Disappearance]] rids you of pesky Earths and Shine Balls.[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 12:50, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
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I can't believe I forgot this: side [[Zombie Master]] against Zombies. [[Paladin of the Cursed Dragon]] works as well although not necessarily as effectively. Of course, [[Puppet Plant]] works as well. Kycoo stops Book of Life if I'm not mistaken.[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 23:01, September 26, 2011 (UTC)
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Ah. [[Big Burn]] against Infernities, or does that not work? [[Ally of Justice Quarantine]] isn't bad against Agents (Vulnerable only to Honest and Jupiter, and not even BLS).[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 23:25, September 26, 2011 (UTC)
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Big Burn worked pre-Leviair, but now it might actually help them. [[User:Lappyzard|Lappyzard]] ([[User talk:Lappyzard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lappyzard|contribs]]) 01:55, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
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Nah, it's as effective as ever-unless they have Tour Guide, they have no access to Leviair once their Necromancers are Banished.[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 02:11, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
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And all good Infernity decks are running Tour Guide. [[User:Lappyzard|Lappyzard]] ([[User talk:Lappyzard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lappyzard|contribs]]) 19:19, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
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::I meant that they have to draw it, since they'll be topdecking.[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 20:40, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
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:Definitely a counter.
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:I should have been clearer. "[[Infernity Mirage]]" cannot be stopped by "[[Chain Disappearance]]" in the TCG because it is no longer a valid target after the cost for its effect is carried out (with [[Priority]]).
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:"[[Zombie World]]" works all right against Agents. It stops Kristya, keeps Hyperion from bombing anything, blocks the effect of Jupiter, and crushes Sanctuary if they're using it (sillyheads). Doesn't stop Venus though.
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[[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Designless Square|contribs]]) 20:06, September 30, 2011 (UTC)
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:::Are you saying Big Burn is a counter?[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 20:39, September 30, 2011 (UTC)
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:: Actually, my mistake, I misread it as you can't use it in the OCG for some reason, when you meant you can't use it in TCG. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 02:35, October 1, 2011 (UTC)
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[[Mind Crush]] really trips up Machina Gadget decks, especially those that use the Gadget chain with Ultimate Offering for Xyz. --[[User:Gadjiltron|Gadjiltron]] ([[User talk:Gadjiltron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gadjiltron|contribs]]) 13:03, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
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==Dark World==
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* "[[Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer]]" is good for blocking Gates and Smog, and fiddles with the Graveyard. He dies to Raven and Snoww+, though.
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* Maybe you could add the caveat "bypassed by [[Dark World Lightning]]"; that card makes Debunk very hard to use.
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[[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Designless Square|contribs]]) 15:04, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
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==Rabbit / Evolsar ==
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Any Ideas to stop this new threat? [[User:Ruicub|Ruicub]] ([[User talk:Ruicub|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ruicub|contribs]]) 12:07, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
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[[Imperial Iron Wall]]. More [[Effect Veiler]].[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 17:37, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
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Use [[Dark Trap Hole]] and [[Giant Trap Hole]] to counter rescue rabbit, it should work quite effectively seen as it was originally desinged to counter [[Rescue Cat]]. [[Karma Cut]] can annoy rescue rabbit although he he may re summmoned later with [[Leviair the Sea Dragon]]
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[[User:Matthew Lightbody|[email protected]]] ([[User talk:Matthew Lightbody|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Matthew Lightbody|contribs]]) 16:09, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
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I sided [[Lava Golem]] during Six Samurai format. I plan to do the same if the Rabbit Dino deck becomes big. It won't, though. It can't compare to Plant Synchro. [[User:Lappyzard|Lappyzard]] ([[User talk:Lappyzard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lappyzard|contribs]]) 17:59, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
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Any more advice to counter Rabbit / Evolzar? [[Special:Contributions/24.0.144.144|24.0.144.144]] ([[User talk:24.0.144.144|talk]]) 00:57, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
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:[[Imperial Iron Wall]] works. [[Maxx "C"]] is pretty effective just to draw cards.[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 01:10, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
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::No one's mentioned "[[Summon Limit]]"? Also, "[[Rivalry of Warlords]]" pretty much locks Xyzs.
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[[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Designless Square|contribs]]) 01:55, December 10, 2011 (UTC)
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Why has nobody mentioned [[Mirror of Oaths]]? I side deck two nowadays on DN to stop Rabbit and GB. [[User:Menace13|Menace13]] ([[User talk:Menace13|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Menace13|contribs]]) at 04:03, December 10, 2011 (UTC)
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Nobody seems to realise that Gozen Match just kills off Dino Rabbit. I think a Blackwing-Gozen Deck could easily win, as could a Dragunity-Gozen Deck. [[User:Vyomo|Vyomo]]
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==Dark World==
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I have a sugggestion for side decking against dark worlds. You can side deck [[Appropriate]] , so that whenever they draw a card you also draw 2 cards, this can give you very good hand adavantage ,and it can be combined with [[Maxx "C"]] to get more extra cards.
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[[User:Matthew Lightbody|[email protected]]] ([[User talk:Matthew Lightbody|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Matthew Lightbody|contribs]]) 14:04, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
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== Exodia ==
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For Exodia, can we put Exchange to "cripples the deck completely", and add [[Amazoness Chain Master]] (not as good since you have to get it killed, but still useable). [[User:Battlemaniac|Battlemaniac]] ([[User talk:Battlemaniac|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Battlemaniac|contribs]]) 16:44, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
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==BF2's Additions==
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[[4-Starred Ladybug of Doom]] against Gadgets, Gravekeeper's, and Gladiator Beasts.
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Steelswarm is actually pretty good, and if added, [[Blackwing - Jin the Rain Shadow]] is an side card (Catastor against them). If I'm not mistaken, [[Des Donut]] hurts them as well. [[Infestation Wave]] actually hurts them as you can return their monster to their hand and destroy their card.
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[[Chain Burn]] is missing - [[Rainbow Life]], [[Des Wombat]], [[Lifeforce Harmonizer]], and [[Prime Material Dragon]] are all good sides against them. [[Vanity's Emptiness]] is also incredibly against them as it even stops their draw cards.
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[[Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell]], while a -1, will almost certainly paralyze Dragunities and hurt Gravekeeper's. [[Field Barrier]] hurts them as well, preventing them from playing Field Spell Cards.
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[[Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo]] is a godsend against Fabled - protect it with a Trap or two and you can't lose.
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[[Huge Revolution Reversal]] is good against Scrap (Scrap Dragon).
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[[Hunter of Black Feathers]] is good against any mono-Attribute Archetype - Agents, Sabers, Dark World, etc.
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[[Infinite Dismissal]] against Plants.
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[[Karakuri Klock]] works against Karakuri.
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More to come.
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[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 18:00, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
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[[King Tiger Wanghu]] stops Mystical Shine Balls and destroys Earth, as well as destroying Kageki/Kagemusha/Elder (which cripples Six Samurai), destroys most X-Sabers, destroys Infernities (other than Archfiend), hurts Plants/Naturia, devastates Inzektor Wind-Ups, makes Treeborn Frog useless, etc.
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Rescue Laggia is missing, [[Mirror of Oaths]], [[Smashing Horn]], and [[Bottomless Trap Hole]] are all effective side cards, as is [[Imperial Iron Wall]].
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[[Snowman Eater]] is good against [[Miracle Gemini]].
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[[Widespread Dud]] is bait against X-Sabers and Scraps that gets rid of their cards.[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 19:04, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
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Made some modifications, more to come.[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 19:26, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
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:I think you meant [[Karakuri Trick House]].
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:[[Rivalry of Warlords]] and [[Gozen Match]] are pretty good against Rabbit and Wind-Ups. [[D.D. Crow]] works okay against Wind-Ups and Inzektors if you can cut their loops short. They can go for Leviair if you mispredict and they're still holding Gallis or Spell Striker, though. [[Special:Contributions/24.199.53.194|24.199.53.194]] ([[User talk:24.199.53.194|talk]]) 21:14, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
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== More cards to cripple Dragunities ==
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Could you side in a [[Dark Highlander]] against a [[Dragunity]] deck since it stops all [[Synchro Summon]]s and can take out [[Equip Card]]s and burn for each?  Not to mention having a 2800 atk level 7 beatstick on the field[[User:Ja1lbreakr0cks|Ja1lbreakr0cks]] ([[User talk:Ja1lbreakr0cks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ja1lbreakr0cks|contribs]]) 17:20, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
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== Newer Archetypes ==
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Some I'm thinking of: <br>
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<b>Rabbit:</b><br>
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[[Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter]].<br>
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[[Penguin Soldier]].<br>
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[[Snowman Eater]], etc.<br>
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Not many run Dolkka or try to get it out, most go for Laggia which is only really vulnerable to flip effect monsters or monsters already on the field.<br>
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[[Summon Limit]], but it doesn't solve the first turn problem.<Br>
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[[Overlay Owl]] but they would negate its summon anyway.<br>
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<b>Inzektors:</b><br>
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[[Effect Veiler]].<br>
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[[D.D. Crow]].<br>
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[[Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror]].<br>
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[[Consecrated Light]] (only if they have no hornet equipped, so not that great).<br>
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[[Necrovalley]] (not extremely good but decent).<br>
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[[Safe Zone]] (they pop it they lose a monster, not amazing though).<br>
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[[Fiendish Chain]].<br>
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[[Chain Disappearance]].<br>
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<b>Wind-Ups:</b><br>
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[[Maxx "C"]].<br>
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[[Effect Veiler]].<br>
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[[D.D. Crow]]?<br>
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[[Regenerating Mummy]] possibly, if they send it to the grave you add it back to your hand, they're likely to hit it constantly when the hand gets low. Not bad to draw into too.<br>
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[[Neko Mane King]] possibly, if they hit it their turn ends, risky though, bad to draw into too. Could also be a side against Dark Worlds.<br>
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Since these are a first turn deck at the moment I won't list cards that need to be already on the field.<br>
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<b>Hieroglyphs: </b> <i>(I don't know much about these)</i><br>
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[[Maxx "C"]].<br>
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I'm not sure if [[Effect Veiler]] does much against them.<br>
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[[Zombie World]], tribute summon quite a lot (although that might be tribute to summon), and it stops quite a few Dragon specific cards.<br>
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[[Mask of Restrict]].<br>
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[[Light-Imprisoning Mirror]], most of them are light.<br>
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[[Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror]], it'd stop their REDMD.<br>
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[[Summon Limit]], they spam a lot.<br>
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[[King Tiger Wanghu]] since they spam 0 attack monsters quite often.<br>
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Any negate special summon cards like [[Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo]].<br>
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<b>Ninjas:</b> <br>
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[[Thunder King Rai-Oh]], they add to the hand often.<br>
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[[Effect Veiler]] can really hurt their [[Upstart Golden Ninja]].<br>
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[[Royal Decree]] can hurt, but they don't really need [[Ninjitsu Art of Super-Transformation]] to run, Xyz spamming with dead traps would work almost as well.<br>
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[[Warrior Elimination]], they don't spam much though.<br>
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Any other new top tier(ish) archetype I'm forgetting?<br>
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[[Special:Contributions/121.222.228.13|121.222.228.13]] ([[User talk:121.222.228.13|talk]]) 04:10, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
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Against Rabbits, you're better off with [[Spirit Reaper]], [[Arcana Force 0 - The Fool]], [[Marshmallon]], and, believe it or not, [[Wave-Motion Cannon]]. Dolkka can negate the Flip Effect monsters making them less useful. [[Lava Golem]] is also an insanely good side against them.
  
Suggestions against the newer archetypes such as [[Dragunity]], [[Fabled]], [[Naturia]], [[Scrap]], etc. are welcomed. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 09:18, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
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Hieroglyphs don't have to use REDMD, so strike Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror. Wanghu isn't very effective as they'll kill it with either an effect or by battle (their 0 attack monsters would come out after they've destroyed him). Leeching the Light is decent against Hieroglyphs as they have high ATK monsters.
  
Hey Falzar, how about you update this page for the Sept. 10 Lists, as Flamvell Cat Synchro no longer exists, I also think it should be pinned, its a great article...[[User:BassNettoHikari2|BassNettoHikari2]]...[[User talk:BassNettoHikari2|Chat Page]]... 07:30, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
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For Ninjas, Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror isn't a bad side - it stops Tour Guide and Hanzo.
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[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 14:19, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
  
: Ok, I updated it for Sept. Also, adding Scrap, Naturia, Fabled and... a few other cards to side in (e.g. Chain Disappearance). <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 12:02, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
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:I completely forgot about Hanzo being dark. And why would [[Wave-Motion Cannon]] be a good side against rabbit? I'm not quite getting that. Is it because if they don't negate it they could get big damage, if they do they lose materials? Because if that's the case wouldn't cards like [[Smashing Ground]] or [[Dimensional Prison]] be better?[[Special:Contributions/123.211.144.181|123.211.144.181]] ([[User talk:123.211.144.181|talk]]) 08:11, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
  
== Cyber Cards ==
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If you watch !      Xcloud (some number of spaces) play on DN, you'll see that he sides everything against Rabbits. He does extremely well against Rabbits by siding in a bunch of wall monsters (The Fool, Reaper, Marshmallon) an Wave-Motion Cannon. If I'm not mistaken, they don't run a lot of Spell/Trap removal...[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 17:33, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
What about adding a section for decks revolving around Cyber Dragon/Chimeratech OTK?...[[User:BassNettoHikari2|BassNettoHikari2]]...[[User talk:BassNettoHikari2|Chat Page]]... 14:25, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
  
== Oh, BTW ==
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I can see why the stall monsters would work. Their only real destruction cards would be [[Dark Hole]], maybe 1 or 2 [[Smashing Ground]] or [[Dimensional Prison]], and I don't think you'll be attacking much with the stall monsters. But [[Wave-Motion Cannon]] still seems iffy to me, Laggia can negate it if they wish, but I guess it'd make them think a bit more if they want to use those solemns that have set later too.[[Special:Contributions/123.211.144.181|123.211.144.181]] ([[User talk:123.211.144.181|talk]]) 08:18, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
[[Swallow Flip]] is listed as working against Boggart Knight in the "how to stop X-Sabers" part. Well, it doesn't - you can't flip off normal summoned monsters.
 
  
And another thing - Infernity is now more focused around trap cards trap cards trap cards - than the OTK. You should mention that.
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They don't use a lot of backrow destruction and Laggia usually has better things to negate (and if they negate it, you're free to use Dark Hole or another good card).[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 13:45, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
  
Meanwhile, as for how to stop Dragunities? They focus heavily on the graveyard, so cards like Kycoo and D.D. Crow are pretty good. Especially Necrovalley and Zombie World, both of which will stop the equipping of monsters in the graveyard - not to mention that when they're played, if your opponent has a Dragon Canyon, it gets destroyed. [[User:Runer5h|Runer5h]] ([[User talk:Runer5h|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Runer5h|contribs]]) 00:41, September 25, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h
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What about [[Mask of Restrict]] for Hieratics? I feel as if it would be a > or + card on the above list, because most Hieratic plays and means of destroying cards come from tribute effects. [[Special:Contributions/108.196.206.15|108.196.206.15]] ([[User talk:108.196.206.15|talk]]) 14:27, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
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:+ would be appropriate. It shuts down the engine, but like Macro Cosmos and Necrovalley it's vulnerable to Tefnuit -> A Wingbeat of Giant Dragon. [[Special:Contributions/207.233.120.2|207.233.120.2]] ([[User talk:207.233.120.2|talk]]) 00:01, June 28, 2012 (UTC)
  
: Updated for Infernity, Cyber Dragon OTK and Dragunity. I'll leave Dragunity and Scrap in the themed section until it becomes meta in the TCG. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 01:20, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
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== Dino rabbits,Wind-up and Inzektors ==
  
We seem to be forgetting [[Magic Cylinder]]. It's very handy for punishing careless OTK attempts, with the most evident use being against careless Cyber OTKs. --[[User:Gadjiltron|Gadjiltron]] ([[User talk:Gadjiltron|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Gadjiltron|contribs]]) 01:22, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
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This list should have sections for those 3 i have some cards : inzektors:
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*necrovalley:stops dragonfly and others from equipping hornet from graveyard.
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*d.d. Crow:when they try to get hornet from the grave,chain and LOL at their dragonfly unassisted
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*different dimension ground:chain this to anything they use to dump hornet in grave.
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*effect veiler:use to stop inzektors from equipping anything.
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*macro cosmos:unlike dimensional fissure,this works on spells
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[[User:LaserGhost|LG]] [[User talk:LaserGhost|talk]] [[User:LaserGhost/Pesronal Guides|My own Guides]] 16:03, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
  
== Hopeless/Disaster Dragon ==
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:Having played Wind-Ups, I find it horribly injurious when the opponent springs a [[Bottomless Trap Hole]] on Zenmaity. Breaks the loop, leaves the Wind-Up player struggling for a turn. Oh, wait, do you guys still have the Priority ruling? Guess it won't work that way for the TCG. At least it still can be used on Shark.
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:[[Effect Veiler]] is also particularly useful in defusing Zenmaity and Rat. Especially Rat, since they will be left with a monster with 600 ATK in Attack Position just asking to be beaten in.
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--[[User:Gadjiltron|Gadjiltron]] ([[User talk:Gadjiltron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gadjiltron|contribs]]) 14:06, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
  
Why isn't it up there? It's basicly the same tier as BWs and Infernities now.
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In the list above, [[Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell]] is listed twice for Gravekeeper's (with different ratings of effectiveness). Also, how about [[Consecrated Light]] against Steelswarms and [[Royal Decree]] against Chain Burn? [[Special:Contributions/207.233.120.2|207.233.120.2]] ([[User talk:207.233.120.2|talk]]) 18:57, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
  
*[[Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror]] + (Several key cards are DARK)
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::I just realized, [[Gozen Match]] and [[Rivalry of Warlords]] can both cripple Wind-Ups, right? [[Special:Contributions/99.165.192.113|99.165.192.113]] ([[User talk:99.165.192.113|talk]]) 00:50, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
*[[Koa'ki Meiru Drago]] - (Can hurt if used on the first turn. May also backfire)
 
*[[Grave of the Super Ancient Organism]]+ (Can severely hurt the entire Deck. Can be destroyed easily with [[Dust Tornado]] or [[Stamping Destruction]])
 
*[[Different Dimension Ground]] + (Can severely hurt them; chain to [[Reasoning]]/[[Future Fusion]]/[[Foolish Burial]]/[[Monster Gate]]/[[Trade-In]])
 
*[[D.D. Crow]] + (Kills off [[Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon]]'s one-turn revival. Graveyard heavily used)
 
*[[Macro Cosmos]]+ (Graveyard-dependant. Though hindering, they have ways of retrieving RFGs)
 
*[[Archlord Kristya]] > (Can cripple the Deck, since all monsters that can beat it have to be tributed)
 
*[[Royal Oppression]] + (Can help, even though it is sometimes used in conjunction with Raida)
 
*[[Cactus Bouncer]] + (Stops special summons. Can be overpowered or destroyed easily)
 
*[[Electric Virus]] - (Works especially well if you can tribute)
 
*[[Prohibition]]+ (Call Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon or [[Five-Headed Dragon]])
 
  
--[[User:Drew-Gi-Oh!|Drew-Gi-Oh!]] ([[User talk:Drew-Gi-Oh!|talk]]) 01:59, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
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:::Yes, and they cripple Dino Rabbit as well. --> ''<b>[[User:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] [[User talk:Skullvarnish|Electric Boogaloo]]</b>''  00:52, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
  
: It's currently in the Themed decks section, maybe I'll move it up, since it's tier 2. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 03:18, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
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--[[Special:Contributions/68.41.75.225|68.41.75.225]] ([[User talk:68.41.75.225|talk]]) 08:55, April 2, 2012 (UTC)I have found Icy Crevice to be a interesting card to side agaisnt insector players. It will hurt them for playing hornet and has the potential to break up loops. In addition after its been played once the oppenent will begin to act more cautiously around single backfields. Just a card not widely expected that can throw insecktors off their game.
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:If they shot your monster before shooting your back row, they are being silly. Which reminds me: "[[Wild Tornado]]" and "[[Security Orb]]".[[Special:Contributions/207.233.120.2|207.233.120.2]] ([[User talk:207.233.120.2|talk]]) 17:35, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
  
Bored, adding Exodia and a few to LSs. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 00:59, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
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We need to update the table at the top for the current meta. Someone please do it. Its really accessible to all users and its a good list with good explanations.
  
== A few minors ==
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[[User:Roughpuppet|Roughpuppet]] ([[User talk:Roughpuppet|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Roughpuppet|contribs]]) 10:32, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
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:With the recent changes to Ignition Priority (now "Fast Effect Timing", i.e. nonexistent for Ignition Effect Monsters), "[[Effect Veiler]]" becomes a viable side against Dino Rabbit. [[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Designless Square|contribs]]) 18:32, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
  
In the 'Frog' section, it states King Tiger Wanghu works good against ''Frog FTK''. The word ''destroys'' is capitalized in the 'Six Samurai' section. In 'Heralds', the word ''Summoned'' is lower-cased. Hope I helped.|<font style="background-color:black">[[User:Yugioh DED|<span style="color:red;"><big>''DED''</big></span>]]([[User talk:Yugioh DED|<span style="color:red;"><small>(Leaving Me Messages Are Often Left Here)</small></span>]]</font> 22:12, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
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: For the record, I haven't played for a long time, I'm not sure about the current meta, or what to use against it.
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: I've mentioned a couple of times that anyone can edit the list as long as they know what they're doing (follow proper table syntax); or post below if they're not sure about adding to the table.
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: <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 23:45, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
  
: Frog FTK doesn't always FTK, or if you Effect Veiler them, then on the next turn you can Summon Wanghu. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 00:11, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
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ok.. i'll get some small suggestions on the most common cards to use against the meta decks.
  
== An odd idea ==
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Dino-Rabbits  gozen/rivalry. different attibutes and types, rabbit being earth/beast. rest being dino/ earth or water or fire. Xyz monsters are dragon/fire.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to counter STUN decks? You know, the ones with [[Thunder King Rai-Oh]], [[Doomcaliber Knight]], [[Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo]], and all the other anti-meta cards. I'd like to know how to beat them, honestly. [[User:Runer5h|Runer5h]] ([[User talk:Runer5h|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Runer5h|contribs]]) 02:01, October 2, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h
 
  
There's a lot of different STUN decks... like Chaos Stun, Rock Stun, Wanghu Stun, Gadget Stun, Banisher/Macro Stun... They'll require different cards. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 02:05, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
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effect veiler, post priority ruling, priority was able to cause it to use its effect before veiler so it was off the field before veiler activates. also useful to negate evolsar dollka if one feels like doing so. forces them to waste material.
  
:I'd start with the one that won the YCS: [http://www.konami.com/yugioh/blog/?p=3564 find it here]. A very similar build also took third place at that tournament. [[User:Runer5h|Runer5h]] ([[User talk:Runer5h|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Runer5h|contribs]]) 15:41, October 2, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h
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chain disappearance, better post priority. similar reason to above, though it will leave the field first. Also able to use against tour guide, another staple against this deck.
  
[[Imperial Iron Wall]], and the 2 imprisoning mirrors could work. Also, [[Starlight Road]] and counter-destruction effects, as well as [[Effect Veiler]] and anything that could negate traps. --[[User:Drew-Gi-Oh!|Drew-Gi-Oh!]] ([[User talk:Drew-Gi-Oh!|talk]]) 22:26, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
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spirit reaper/marshmallon, good stallking monster cards, do not activate, does not need to be normal or special summoned(set) thus cannot be negated when attacked. good stall card to stop them from beating you down.
  
: [[Burden of the Mighty]]: They won't have any 'strong' monsters once Burden is out. It also screws them over with their own Wanghu, if that's out.
 
: [[Royal Decree]]: Being a Trap heavy deck, this card would cripple most of the deck should you be able to keep it out. Assuming you don't run many Traps.
 
: [[Trap Stun]] or [[Seven Tools of the Bandit]]: Similar to Decree. Seven Tools if you want a more permanent solution to Counter Traps like [[Solemn Warning]].
 
: [[Legendary Jujitsu Master]]: Well, against a deck without any draw power, a -1 is always nice, but this can be a -2 for them as well. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 22:33, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 
  
:Jujitsu Master could work, but the problem is that they all run 3 Thunder Kings and 3 Doomcalibers (and some run some Cyber Dragons). Sure, they get set back a turn, but you're put at the same disadvantage after losing Jujitsu. As for the two Mirrors, each one can only negate the effect of one card in the deck, so it's highly situational. Lastly, Starlight Road wouldn't be very useful, seeing as they only really use one-by-one destruction cards. [[User:Runer5h|Runer5h]] ([[User talk:Runer5h|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Runer5h|contribs]]) 22:46, October 2, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h
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Inzektors: shadow imprisoning, all dark, activate on field in order to control. not unlike reasons for infernity
  
I've got a good one, especially if the deck you're facing involves swarming dark monsters! [[Clear World]]!! It has potential to be a game changer, especially if it gets out early... [[User:Jon Kovacs|Jon Kovacs]] ([[User talk:Jon Kovacs|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jon Kovacs|contribs]]) 23:14, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
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macro cosmos, does not allow them to send hornet or any other equipped inzektor card to the graveyard. same thing as shadow imprisoning.
  
: Just stopping attacks for a while is alright, but being a Field Spell, it gets destroyed fairly easily. It also kills you too, so it's not that good for Side Deck material. Adding [[Kinetic Soldier]] to Six Samurai. Back to Anti-Anti-Meta xD
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effect veiler, generally good at negating their effects of all monsters
: [[Trap Hole]]: Apart from Cyber Dragon, they don't Special Summon, so these would mess with them. Generally used to get rid of their [[TKRO]] and [[DCK]].
 
: [[Magic Drain]]: Along with Trap Stun, this card is for protection of your cards. It's always going to be a 'one for one' as well. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 07:32, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
 
  
A majority of their monsters are level 4 (Fossil Dyna, King TIger, Thunder King, Doomcaliber, sometimes Gadgets, Kycoo, Legendary Jujitsu, Snipe Hunter, and their tributes, CyDra and Gorz,) would all be affected by [[Gravity Bind]] or [[Level Limit - Area B]], so if someone was willing enough to side them, it could be potentially disrupting to them. Also, it's not like they're going to attack with their D.D. Crows or Effect Veilers. --[[User:Drew-Gi-Oh!|Drew-Gi-Oh!]] ([[User talk:Drew-Gi-Oh!|talk]]) 01:50, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
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chain disappearance, able to banish a dragonfly or hornet if they get summoned. stops their special summoning mechanic and causes them to not be able to swarm.
  
:Actually, Jujitsu is level 3. I know - crazy, but true! Anyways, that could work, but you'd need a way around it yourself - and not every decks run powerful level 3s-and-lower. X-Sabers might be able to benefit, but other decks... not so much. [[User:Runer5h|Runer5h]] ([[User talk:Runer5h|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Runer5h|contribs]]) 19:36, October 7, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h
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Wind-ups, gozen/rivalry. all different types and attributes. no explanation needed
  
== A couple of ideas ==
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cyber dragon/chimeratech. wind-up XYZ cards are all machine type, thus a good card to counter. to zenmaines and zenmeity.
  
[[Flip Flop Frog]] has been included under Dark Gaia OTK, so why hasn’t [[Nightmare Penguin]]? Also, Exodia decks are missing [[Thunder King Rai-Oh]] (stops White Stone, Sangan, Emissary etc.) and [[Protector of the Sanctuary]] (stops everything else). Believe me, against an Exodia deck, summon these 2, and you’ve won. Barring horrible luck. [[User:Battlemaniac|Battlemaniac]] ([[User talk:Battlemaniac|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Battlemaniac|contribs]]) 17:23, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
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effect veiler. able to stop wind up loop during first turn loop
  
: OK, added them. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 09:10, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
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maxx C. negates the effects of wind up loop, by drawing more cards then they make you discard.
  
== Contents ==
 
  
I've added a contents section with links which go to each deck type. It should make navigation much easier. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 10:56, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
 
  
What about Tualatin? [[User:Jon Kovacs|Jon Kovacs]] ([[User talk:Jon Kovacs|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jon Kovacs|contribs]]) 16:28, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
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There are definitely more cards to side deck against these and other matchups but this is the general kick start to the big 3 decks this format. effect veiler may be a general card as people main deck it as well. but always good to mention.
  
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other deck types inc darkworlds, heroes. main meta decks that have not been mentioned above.
  
I'd like to see some anti 'Gemini-City' cards-[[Special:Contributions/213.123.215.233|213.123.215.233]] ([[User talk:213.123.215.233|talk]]) 11:23, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
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[[User:Roughpuppet|Roughpuppet]] ([[User talk:Roughpuppet|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Roughpuppet|contribs]]) 14:19, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
  
What about [[Starlight Road]] against Gyzarus? [[User:Ascriptmaster|Ascriptmaster]] ([[User talk:Ascriptmaster|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ascriptmaster|contribs]]) 18:30, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
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Guys, read the original comments Falzar made.<br>
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"<b>Ignoring [[Staples]] as they are not Side Deck material.</b>"
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Under [[Staples]]: <br>
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Effect Monsters
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*<u>Maxx C</u>
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*<u>Effect Veiler</u><br>
  
: [[Tualatin]] seems to be too situational, but if you can pull it off, it would stop decks like Fish and Blackwings.
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:Perhaps Maxx "C" shouldn't be listed. But certain OTK Decks like [[Evil HERO Dark Gaia OTK|Dark Gaia OTK]] and [[Empty Jar]] will end the game if your opponent drops "[[Heavy Storm]]" or "[[Trap Stun]]" and you don't have Veiler. Maybe Glads or Zombies don't need Veiler against most things, but there are times when it's the only viable option. [[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Designless Square|contribs]]) 17:27, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
: Is it really worth it? Gyzarus is just 1 card; they main a lot of cards like [[My Body as a Shield]], [[Trap Stun]] and [[Cold Wave]], and their Bestiari would destroy it easily.
 
: I don't really side against [[Little_City#Little_City|Gemini-City]] decks myself; so anyone else have thoughts against that deck? <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 22:18, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 
  
:Hmm... What about using [[Anti-Magic Prism]] to counter Gemini Spark? They sort of rely on it to keep removal effects from working as planned. [[User:Runer5h|Runer5h]] ([[User talk:Runer5h|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Runer5h|contribs]]) 00:53, October 29, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h
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::But the thing is they're a main deck card where you side the rest, they aren't cards you'd side if you don't main them.<br>
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::[[Special:Contributions/121.222.167.78|121.222.167.78]] ([[User talk:121.222.167.78|talk]]) 05:15, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
  
Gemini city- Super Poly (If they swarm, only if you have a Shining in the ED), Gravekeeper's Watcher (Effect Veiler and Honest), Light-Imprisoning Mirror,Trap Stun/Royal Decree, Trap Hole, Non-Fusion Area (If anyone actually uses that), Anti-Magic Prism (book of moon and spark, sometimes controller).
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Well, against Dino Rabbit, I would suggest side decking [[Black Ray Lancer]] and [[Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon]],not to mention [[Neo Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon]], whose overwhelming effect can destroy any Dino decks. I would also recommend the forgotten [[Majestic Star Dragon]], who can destroy a Dino Rabbit deck in seconds
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If you aren't maining Maxx "C"/Veiler you probably shouldn't be siding them either.<br>
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[[Special:Contributions/60.228.86.44|60.228.86.44]] ([[User talk:60.228.86.44|talk]]) 13:57, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
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:Lancer and Galaxy-Eyes most likely won't make it to the field, and Lancer only has 2100 ATK anyways. "[[Majestic Star Dragon]]" is unlikely to land as well, and won't be around on your opponent's turn.
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:What I meant about Veiler is that a Deck  which normally has no need for Veilers, is compelled to run them to protect itself from what would otherwise be an unpreventable OTK. Ancient history.
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:"[[Trap Hole]]" works nicely against Inzektors, killing Dragonfly, Centipede, and Hopper. It doesn't hit Hornet, [[Inzektor Ladybug|Ladybug]] or DAD, but it can't be circumvented with Zektkaliber (unlike Veiler), a chained MST (unlike S-IM, [[Skill Drain]], [[Macro Cosmos]] and [[Fiendish Chain]]), and it's not a half-answer like [[BTH]]/[[Chain Disappearance]]. [[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Designless Square|contribs]]) 00:15, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
  
--[[User:Drew-Gi-Oh!|Drew-Gi-Oh!]] ([[User talk:Drew-Gi-Oh!|talk]]) 02:22, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
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==A "Best of all worlds" list==
  
: [[Anti-Magic Prism]] also works against their [[MST]]
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Is there any chance that we could get an ideal list of cards to side? Maybe rank the top 20 cards to side, in the order of their priority? Like, Light-Imprisoning Mirror can shut down Lightsworns, but aside from them and Hieratics, there's not much reason to side it. Conversely, Effect Veiler and Maxx "C" are listed as "effective" for their sections, yet they work against any and all decks. For people who need help quickly organizing a side deck to combat any and all threats, a small list of cards that are recommended for all side decks would be helpful, since while no one can tell you what cards you HAVE to put in your main deck, a side deck can always run the same 15 cards no matter what deck you use, and will almost always be just as effective. [[User:Buh6173|The Pope]] 14:45, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
: [[Super Polymerization]] should work; but you need to have the Fusions in your Extra Deck... but that shouldn't really matter, as you can Side Deck Fusion/Synchro Monsters now; the main concern here, is that you're spending quite a bit of money just to side against 1 deck, unless it's YVD or something :P
 
: [[Gravekeeper's Watcher]]; nothing much to say here... just be sure not to use it against a [[Dimensional Fissure]] version of the anti-meta deck; but this shouldn't be a problem when The Shining comes out, as [[Miracle Fusion]] would be preferred.
 
: [[Light-Imprisoning Mirror]] doesn't really stop anything... apart from [[Elemental Hero The Shining|The Shining]]'s graveyard effect.
 
: [[Trap Stun]]/[[Royal Decree]]: standard anti-S/T cards; works fine as almost half their deck are Traps, however, it can't stop Solemn Judgement/Warning and Bribe. Side in [[Seven Tools of the Bandit]] if they prefer to use their Counter Traps.
 
: [[Trap Hole]]: They have nothing to Special Summon from their hand, so it'll work. But once they start to use the Fusions with Miracle Fusion, it wouldn't really be as effective.
 
: [[Non-Fusion Area]]: just be sure to have ways against their 1900 beatsticks, and protect it against Gemini Sparks and MSTs, and this should be fine... <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 22:10, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 
  
== This may sound stupid........ ==
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:The problem with this is what you should side changes quite constantly depending on the area and what's been used in big tournaments.
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:Take some of the latest ones for example, people removed sides for Wind-Ups because they weren't doing well at all, no point siding against a deck that has such little showing when there's more important ones right? This in-turn let a few Wind-Up players top at a few tournaments which ofcourse made people start siding against them again.
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:And then there's local tournaments where the meta may be GB's, GK's, Machina Gadgets, Lightsworn, etc.
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:[[Special:Contributions/124.185.79.184|124.185.79.184]] ([[User talk:124.185.79.184|talk]]) 12:38, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
  
Can [[Trap Eater]] be a card that can cripple meta decks? I seen it been handy against Wall of Revealing Light and other trap cards but I don't see continuous trap cards and such in a meta deck. So does anybody have any clue? [[User:Fallensilence|Fallensilence]] ([[User talk:Fallensilence|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fallensilence|contribs]]) 03:00, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
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:Then just make a list of all purpose side cards. [[User:IPlay4Fun|IPlay4Fun]] ([[User talk:IPlay4Fun|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/IPlay4Fun|contribs]]) 15:05, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
  
It's a bit too situational. I'd rather side in [[Dust Tornado]]es if I needed more back row destruction. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 22:10, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
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:I like the idea, it could be useful to build a quick base to a side deck, which can then be slightly adjusted, depending on local meta and such. Cards like gozen match for example, hits not only wind-ups and rabbit, but can hit decks in lower tiers likely to be seen in local 'meta', such as GBs and Six-sams. Obviously if your local meta is straight dark worlds and insectors say, then you can customize the base to suit you (i.e. shadow-imprisoning etc) [[User:Chewbacca The Drummer|Chewbacca The Drummer]] ([[User talk:Chewbacca The Drummer|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Chewbacca The Drummer|contribs]]) 17:37, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
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::You can do this by sorting the table by Sided Card instead of Deck. At present, The End of Anubis has 9 entries, Chain Disappearance has 10 entries, Necrovalley has 13 entries, D.D. Crow has 14 entries, Skill Drain has 17 entries, D-Fissure has 18 entries, and Macro Cosmos top the list with 19 entries. [[Special:Contributions/98.148.148.43|98.148.148.43]] ([[User talk:98.148.148.43|talk]]) 16:03, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
  
Couldn't [[System Down]] obliterate Scraps?...[[User:BassNettoHikari2|BassNettoHikari2]]...[[User talk:BassNettoHikari2|Chat Page]]... 07:46, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
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==Tier Divisions==
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I do not think the divisions on the [[Yu-Gi-Oh!_Tier_List|Tier List]] page should be applied to this page until the creators of that page come to a formal definition of what constitutes a "Tier". [[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Designless Square|contribs]]) 20:49, August 20, 2012 (UTC)
  
: Not really... there's like 3 Scraps that are actually Machines. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 08:10, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
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==Suggestion==
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I've noticed several side deck suggestions are designed to counter strategies that are now rendered obsolete due to said strategy being shut down by the banlist. For example, some cards suggested against Wind-Ups are brought up with the now-defunct Hunter loop in mind. I'm pretty sure the same will apply to several other tournament decks which were forced to change their playstyle after certain banlists are implemented. Should we remove suggestions that no longer apply? --[[User:Gadjiltron|Gadjiltron]] ([[User talk:Gadjiltron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gadjiltron|contribs]]) 04:54, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
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:Absolutely. Also, I am dismayed to find that someone added "Tier" divisions to the list, again. Which is funny because some of these Decks don't even operate outside the OCG. Maybe I can understand why they seem official since we have a page about them, but there's no reason to have the Tier divisions if we include stuff that's common in the OCG but not here. Particularly amusing is "[[Madolche]]" in the "Tier 2" box when '''it's not even on the list'''. Can we get rid of them too? (And add some sides for Madolche, I guess.) [[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Designless Square|contribs]]) 21:03, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
  
:Actually, only two - Mind Reader and Hunter. As for ways to stop Scraps... hmm. Well, Oppression can work, but IMHO your best bet is to use cards that RFG. [[Different Dimension Ground]], [[Caius the Shadow Monarch]], and [[Crevice Into the Different Dimension]] - ESPECIALLY Crevice. [[User:Runer5h|Runer5h]] ([[User talk:Runer5h|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Runer5h|contribs]]) 20:46, November 12, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h
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Having this information in visual form would really help. I don't have much experience with it so I'm not really able to help in that regard. A Venn diagram maybe?
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:I mostly want to eliminate seeing the same card, good against more than one deck, written twice.[[Special:Contributions/72.89.194.84|72.89.194.84]] ([[User talk:72.89.194.84|talk]]) 14:27, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
  
:: Machine Type Scraps: {{#ask: [[Archetypes::Scrap]] [[Types::Machine]] | ?Type | format=list }}
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== Dragon Rulers ==
:: I suppose Scrap Recycler doesn't really count... <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 21:59, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
I've got a card that can obliterate scraps, severely slow down infernities, slow down dragons big time, and slow down blackwings. [[Necrovalley]]. ^_^ [[User:Jon Kovacs|Jon Kovacs]] ([[User talk:Jon Kovacs|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jon Kovacs|contribs]]) 21:09, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
  
: That should work against Scraps and Infernities (though, already listed in Infernities), but REDMD and Dragon's Mirror don't Target, and I don't really remember any others that are important and do target. As for BWs, it'll stop Blizzard, and that's about it. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 21:59, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
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I really think you should add some good cards to side in against the new Dragon Ruler Archetype. Cards that come to mind are Gozen Match and Mind Drain. [[Special:Contributions/24.8.106.176|24.8.106.176]] ([[User talk:24.8.106.176|talk]]) 23:39, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
  
:And Vayu. [[User:Runer5h|Runer5h]] ([[User talk:Runer5h|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Runer5h|contribs]]) 22:09, November 12, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h
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:Not only the Dragon Rulers, the list also needs to have cards against "[[Prophecy]]"/"[[Spellbook]]" and "[[Evilswarm]]" Decks. --[[User:Missign0|Missign0]] ([[User talk:Missign0|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missign0|contribs]]) 02:27, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
  
:You do know that with the new errata of [[Necrovalley]], it doesn't matter whether the card targets or not anymore. The card lore says "Cards in either player's Graveyard cannot be affected by card effects, except for their own effects". This means that cards like REDMD don't work. [[User:Neoceanlord|Neoceanlord]] ([[User talk:Neoceanlord|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Neoceanlord|contribs]]) 23:50, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
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I don't really know if I'm doing this right and if not Im sorry. But a few good cards that I have found to work against them would be (for example)
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'''Effect Monsters:'''
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Battle Fader: Free no battle phase on direct attack and useable with backrow unlike gorz
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Trifortressops: 2800 ('''''starting''''') defense means no killing it with blasterfor a turn
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Swift Scarecrow: Usable with Macro/D Fiss on the field as it doesn't say "to the grave"  
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Grand Mole: Bounce back drago sac as it doesnt destroy (**vunerable to d prison/other battle traps though)
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Veiler +Maxx c: Assuming no macro Veiler either A. Stops big eye, B. Stops Dragosac from making tokens. Either one is a good thing
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Droll & Lock Bird: Prevents adding other dragons AND super Rejuv ((I think [http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1130887] ?))
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(when it comes out JOTL ((Same as key beetle)) Flying "c" :When your opponnent special summons a monster summon this to their field. They can not xyz (but it is an earth lv 1 so they could still do some synchro shenanigans with it)
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(Maybe) Cyber dragon + Chimeratech (at the minimum it would have 3 k attack from the cy dra, dragosac, and 1 token (assuming they poped with it. If not then you got a 4 k chim, that even if warned they 1. Lost drago and tokens and 2. Wasted their only solemn (judg/warn) **CAUTION** do not rely on this because it ''will '''NOT''''' work with macro on the field as chimera says grave specifically
  
Speaking of Necrovalley, I think we need some cards anti-supporting [[Gravekeepers]]. They just won, and we'll probably be seeing a lot of them from now on. [[User:Lappyzard|Lappyzard]] ([[User talk:Lappyzard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lappyzard|contribs]]) 01:48, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
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'''Synchro Monsters'''
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Crimson Blader: Kill token, eff goes off, ???, Proffit
  
:Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror stops Descendant, Spy (outside of damage step), Assailant, and most importantly Recruiter. Aside from that, Consecrated Light might be helpful - then again, they can always power over it with [[Gravekeeper's Commandant]]. And finally, [[Nobleman of Crossout]] can get rid of EVERY SPY - and considering that the GKs seem to run very few monsters, that's a big deal. Or it can get rid of a single Recruiter, or any other set monsters. [[User:Runer5h|Runer5h]] ([[User talk:Runer5h|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Runer5h|contribs]]) 02:40, November 30, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h
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'''Magic''' (Uhh, I havent really seen any that could work but maybe):
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Messenger of peace: Either A. Makes them force a pop, B. Force them to use a lance to attack (IF they even run it. Which is doubtful). And if A. Then you just saved your other back row or monsters (granted to be popped by other monsters but still)
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System Down: Only useful for dragosac as it doesnt destroy so it bypasses his natural token protection
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One day of Peace: Gives you a turn to stall and take no damage but gives them a card too
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Forbidden Dress: Universal destruction protection but attack lose is a pain (mostly to ophion)
  
:: Added section for Gravekeepers. They don't use [[Royal Tribute]] do they? <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 04:47, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
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'''Trap'''
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Gozen Match/Rivalry: Both do the same thing essentially but both for different things. Gozen is more of a hard hitter as it prevents them from going into the double dragon instant xyz plays, but it could allow crimson blader in one VERY specific circumstance (Blaster + Flamvel Guard)
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SUmmon Limit: Stops them from either 1. Getting the instant xyz or 2. Summoning the tokens (depending if they ''somehow'' '''Bold text'''had a lv 7 already on field)
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Imperial Iron Wall: Just stops banishing. Brilliant
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[[User:Windwolf777|Windwolf777]] ([[User talk:Windwolf777|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Windwolf777|contribs]]) 11:57, June 28, 2013 (UTC)
  
:::Heck yes they do. All three top Gravekeeper decks in the latest YCS used THREE copies of it. It's great for shutting down many of your opponent's plays. [[User:Runer5h|Runer5h]] ([[User talk:Runer5h|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Runer5h|contribs]]) 20:27, November 30, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h
 
  
:::: GK decks didn't really run 3 of them in the past. I'll find their decklists and add stuff accordingly. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 22:04, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
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my opinion is
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for against evilswarm, if u are synchro based deck, u can use [[Number 30: Acid Golem of Destruction]] or [[Gem-Knight Pearl]] for a start. if your deck spell & trap are  mostly destroy/ targeting  opponents monster type ( not monster destroyer like Dark armed dragon ), try to change swap cards like mirror force to increase attack power like [[Horn of the Phantom Beast]] ( refer to your deck ). this was based on assuming that evilswarm users are ophion 1 turn lover and relied too much on their immunity [[Infestation Pandemic]]. easy win is to use cards like [[Meklord Army of Granel]] or grandmole. too lazy ? why don't use [[Flying "C"]] ?
  
How did you forget [[Last Day of Witch]]????--[[User:Drew-Gi-Oh!|Drew-Gi-Oh!]] ([[User talk:Drew-Gi-Oh!|talk]]) 04:50, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
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not much to say about dragons lord from me. gozen match, using compulsory, maxx c, [[Chimeratech Fortress Dragon]] ( drago-sack and it's token are machine ).
  
: Is it effective? Considering their face-down spies, multiple 'Call of the Haunted", [[Gravekeeper's Stele]] and Visionary. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 05:06, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
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can't say anything about spellbook cuz the one i fough before in real life is one without using extra deck ( and i don't know which style is the top tier or very strong ) [[User:Gemini 93|Gemini 93]] ([[User talk:Gemini 93|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Gemini 93|contribs]]) 14:26, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
  
[[Ceasefire]] can slow down a gravekeeper deck as it can be used to flip spies and guards without activating their effects. at worst you will stop a spy or guard and inflict 500 dmg but often enough it will stop a spy while taking a decent chunk of the opponents lp.
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==Well, I tried.==
[[User:Ozg82889|Ozg82889]] ([[User talk:Ozg82889|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ozg82889|contribs]]) 09:15, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
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I tried to update the list for 2015, but I can't get all the changes to display.
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At any rate, if someone wants to help cull the tips that are outdated, go nuts. [[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Designless Square|contribs]]) 04:36, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

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List[edit]

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  • This is based on the General/Basic builds of each deck.
  • Also taking into account of the cards run in those decks (e.g. Gadgets run lots of Fissures and Smashing Grounds, so Thunder King Rai-Oh will not Cripple the deck) (e.g. Glads have tricks such as the Book of Moon trick against Skill Drain). However, this does not take into account of the opponent's Side Decks (e.g. ignores 3 Dust Tornados in their Side Deck).
  • Ignoring Staples as they are not Side Deck material.
  • If anyone would like to add (e.g. cards or top tier decks) or change things (e.g. move cards from cripple to works against) please post the ideas below.
  • --  Falzar FZ  talk page  useful stuff    12:31, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

New Decktype[edit]

Maybe we should add a new deck to the decklist: the one that revolves around Reborn Tengu. A good number of Tengu decks made it to the Top 32 in the previous Orlando tournament. Maybe a couple of cards that can be sided-in against them are Archlord Kristya and Royal Oppression, since Tengu decks seem to rely a lot on Special Summoning.

Moja619 (talkcontribs) 17:39, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Vanity's Fiend used in Frog decks.
Debunk
and you could abuse the fact that Reborn Tengu is a Mandatory Trigger. Would be nice if there was some combo that lets you attack all of them continuously and OTK them.... or vice versa, like a Strong monster + Battle Mania. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:04, June 8, 2011 (UTC)


can i ask what cards is best to side against twilight deck ? if i'm not wrong i has not see on the the list Gemini 93 (talkcontribs) 02:39, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

First two that come to mind are Chaos Trap Hole, Koa'ki Meiru Drago (kinda);
other anti Special Summoned cards, other anti Lightsworn cards (depending on the type of Twilight deck). -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:37, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
Well if you are running a simple deck, i would say light and shadow imprisonment Mirror, especially when the foe is using a lightsworn dragon --MSBlinga (talkcontribs) 21:28, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
Prohibition against Monarchs and Frogs = Win.BobaFett2 (talk)
What is the best monster to declare?
added Chain Disappearance against Formula Synchron spammers
Rivalry of Warlords against Monarchs (before, if you only control 1 monster, you can Tribute 1 Type for another Type in a Tribute Summon; now you cannot.)
Added section on Dark World.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:57, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

How come Tengu Synchro still doesn't appear in the Deck list above? It's pretty much dominating the major tournaments since Tengu's release Moja619 (talkcontribs) 21:06, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

It's being discussed, (under the heading "New Decktype"; just a few lines above).
I'm not sure if it's worth starting a new section for them, or add it to the plants section.
Any suggestions on the cards apart from the ones in the plants section and the 2 mentioned above? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:57, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, i see your point. plant synchro is quite similar to Tengu synchro outside of tengu itself. i don't know if the negation effects of cards like Solemn Warning, Thunder King Rai-Oh and Black Horn of Heaven used on a Special Summoned tengu will prevent it from using its effect. Moja619 (talkcontribs) 02:03, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Thunder King Rai-Oh/Black Horn of Heaven (Summon negation) cards don't work against Special Summons that occur during resolution of an effect. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:44, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Modern Built[edit]

Gladiator Beasts: Solemn Warning
Gladiator Beasts: Dimensional Prison
Warning is definitely a Main Deck card.
Dragons:Different Dimension Ground won't do anything if chained to Trade-In since discarding a monster is a cost. 207.233.120.2 (talk) 21:18, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Most people maindeck both already.BobaFett2 (talk)

Solemn Warning's a Staple, Dimensional Prison is already listed there.
Was intended to prevent Trade-In from being activated that turn by activating it before hand, like in the Standby Phase, but I guess there's little point in that and you don't know when the opponent would have it, removed Trade-In from the list. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:41, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
I think they're already Staples, and are thus not Side Deck Material.
Designless Square (talkcontribs) 20:32, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Stuff[edit]

In the references to Necrovalley, both Gigaplant and REDMD are noted to "not Target". That is no longer an issue. I find it ironic that there's a warning to get Royal Oppression out before Herald of Perfection comes out, but nothing like that in the 6S section.
Also, you listed Ally Salvo as a counter to Celestia and JD. Prolly dittography.

By the way, does Dimensional Fissure hurt Gravekeeper's? 207.233.120.2 (talk) 21:18, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks.
Removed; was probably thinking of something else.
Not really... I don't think so... -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:41, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Allies of Justice[edit]

Ally of Justice Cycle Reader is awesome against Lightsworns and Agents-it's a double D.D. Crow and it's a Level 3 Tuner monster if you want to use it in a Synchro Summon. Ally of Justice Core Destroyer is a Catastor when you're dueling Agents and Lightsworns that you can summon at no cost.BobaFett2 (talk)

"Cycle Reader" is a great Side, particularly against Fabled. "Core Destroyer" is OK, but Agents can Synchro around it or bomb it with "Hyperion". Lightsworns have a bit of trouble unless they're the Chaos variant (they usually are). 'Least it kills "Wulf".
On an unrelated note, "Chain Disappearance" only works against "Infernity Mirage" in the OCG.
Designless Square (talkcontribs) 20:24, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
Can you explain? I don't see why it can't be used on Infernity Necromancer in the OCGTCG... -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 22:54, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Cards to side against Agents need to be added, as they are now the top deck of the format. I recommend Thunder King Rai-Oh (stops Earth, negates Hyperion/Kristya/BLS if they run it, Sangan if they run BLS), Light-Imprisoning Mirror (stops everything), Leeching the Light, (gain major ATK for game, was popular at the last YCS), Dimensional Fissure/Macro Cosmos (nothing in grave, no fuel for Hyperion, nothing to drop Kristya, nothing for BLS, Sangan doesn't search). Lappyzard (talkcontribs) 05:57, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Grave of the Super Ancient Organism stops Hyperion, BLS, Kristya, and Trishula as well as the occasional Stardust. Chain Disappearance rids you of pesky Earths and Shine Balls. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 12:50, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

I can't believe I forgot this: side Zombie Master against Zombies. Paladin of the Cursed Dragon works as well although not necessarily as effectively. Of course, Puppet Plant works as well. Kycoo stops Book of Life if I'm not mistaken. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 23:01, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Ah. Big Burn against Infernities, or does that not work? Ally of Justice Quarantine isn't bad against Agents (Vulnerable only to Honest and Jupiter, and not even BLS). BF2 Talk Deck Guides 23:25, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Big Burn worked pre-Leviair, but now it might actually help them. Lappyzard (talkcontribs) 01:55, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Nah, it's as effective as ever-unless they have Tour Guide, they have no access to Leviair once their Necromancers are Banished. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 02:11, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

And all good Infernity decks are running Tour Guide. Lappyzard (talkcontribs) 19:19, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

I meant that they have to draw it, since they'll be topdecking. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 20:40, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
Definitely a counter.
I should have been clearer. "Infernity Mirage" cannot be stopped by "Chain Disappearance" in the TCG because it is no longer a valid target after the cost for its effect is carried out (with Priority).
"Zombie World" works all right against Agents. It stops Kristya, keeps Hyperion from bombing anything, blocks the effect of Jupiter, and crushes Sanctuary if they're using it (sillyheads). Doesn't stop Venus though.
Designless Square (talkcontribs) 20:06, September 30, 2011 (UTC)
Are you saying Big Burn is a counter? BF2 Talk Deck Guides 20:39, September 30, 2011 (UTC)
Actually, my mistake, I misread it as you can't use it in the OCG for some reason, when you meant you can't use it in TCG. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:35, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Mind Crush really trips up Machina Gadget decks, especially those that use the Gadget chain with Ultimate Offering for Xyz. --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 13:03, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Dark World[edit]

  • "Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer" is good for blocking Gates and Smog, and fiddles with the Graveyard. He dies to Raven and Snoww+, though.
  • Maybe you could add the caveat "bypassed by Dark World Lightning"; that card makes Debunk very hard to use.
Designless Square (talkcontribs) 15:04, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Rabbit / Evolsar[edit]

Any Ideas to stop this new threat? Ruicub (talkcontribs) 12:07, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Imperial Iron Wall. More Effect Veiler. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 17:37, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Use Dark Trap Hole and Giant Trap Hole to counter rescue rabbit, it should work quite effectively seen as it was originally desinged to counter Rescue Cat. Karma Cut can annoy rescue rabbit although he he may re summmoned later with Leviair the Sea Dragon

[email protected] (talkcontribs) 16:09, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

I sided Lava Golem during Six Samurai format. I plan to do the same if the Rabbit Dino deck becomes big. It won't, though. It can't compare to Plant Synchro. Lappyzard (talkcontribs) 17:59, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Any more advice to counter Rabbit / Evolzar? 24.0.144.144 (talk) 00:57, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Imperial Iron Wall works. Maxx "C" is pretty effective just to draw cards. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 01:10, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
No one's mentioned "Summon Limit"? Also, "Rivalry of Warlords" pretty much locks Xyzs.
Designless Square (talkcontribs) 01:55, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Why has nobody mentioned Mirror of Oaths? I side deck two nowadays on DN to stop Rabbit and GB. Menace13 (talkcontribs) at 04:03, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Nobody seems to realise that Gozen Match just kills off Dino Rabbit. I think a Blackwing-Gozen Deck could easily win, as could a Dragunity-Gozen Deck. Vyomo

Dark World[edit]

I have a sugggestion for side decking against dark worlds. You can side deck Appropriate , so that whenever they draw a card you also draw 2 cards, this can give you very good hand adavantage ,and it can be combined with Maxx "C" to get more extra cards.


[email protected] (talkcontribs) 14:04, November 25, 2011 (UTC)


Exodia[edit]

For Exodia, can we put Exchange to "cripples the deck completely", and add Amazoness Chain Master (not as good since you have to get it killed, but still useable). Battlemaniac (talkcontribs) 16:44, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

BF2's Additions[edit]

4-Starred Ladybug of Doom against Gadgets, Gravekeeper's, and Gladiator Beasts.

Steelswarm is actually pretty good, and if added, Blackwing - Jin the Rain Shadow is an side card (Catastor against them). If I'm not mistaken, Des Donut hurts them as well. Infestation Wave actually hurts them as you can return their monster to their hand and destroy their card.

Chain Burn is missing - Rainbow Life, Des Wombat, Lifeforce Harmonizer, and Prime Material Dragon are all good sides against them. Vanity's Emptiness is also incredibly against them as it even stops their draw cards.

Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell, while a -1, will almost certainly paralyze Dragunities and hurt Gravekeeper's. Field Barrier hurts them as well, preventing them from playing Field Spell Cards.

Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo is a godsend against Fabled - protect it with a Trap or two and you can't lose.

Huge Revolution Reversal is good against Scrap (Scrap Dragon).

Hunter of Black Feathers is good against any mono-Attribute Archetype - Agents, Sabers, Dark World, etc.

Infinite Dismissal against Plants.

Karakuri Klock works against Karakuri.

More to come. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 18:00, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

King Tiger Wanghu stops Mystical Shine Balls and destroys Earth, as well as destroying Kageki/Kagemusha/Elder (which cripples Six Samurai), destroys most X-Sabers, destroys Infernities (other than Archfiend), hurts Plants/Naturia, devastates Inzektor Wind-Ups, makes Treeborn Frog useless, etc.

Rescue Laggia is missing, Mirror of Oaths, Smashing Horn, and Bottomless Trap Hole are all effective side cards, as is Imperial Iron Wall.

Snowman Eater is good against Miracle Gemini.

Widespread Dud is bait against X-Sabers and Scraps that gets rid of their cards. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 19:04, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Made some modifications, more to come. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 19:26, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

I think you meant Karakuri Trick House.
Rivalry of Warlords and Gozen Match are pretty good against Rabbit and Wind-Ups. D.D. Crow works okay against Wind-Ups and Inzektors if you can cut their loops short. They can go for Leviair if you mispredict and they're still holding Gallis or Spell Striker, though. 24.199.53.194 (talk) 21:14, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

More cards to cripple Dragunities[edit]

Could you side in a Dark Highlander against a Dragunity deck since it stops all Synchro Summons and can take out Equip Cards and burn for each? Not to mention having a 2800 atk level 7 beatstick on the fieldJa1lbreakr0cks (talkcontribs) 17:20, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Newer Archetypes[edit]

Some I'm thinking of:
Rabbit:
Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter.
Penguin Soldier.
Snowman Eater, etc.
Not many run Dolkka or try to get it out, most go for Laggia which is only really vulnerable to flip effect monsters or monsters already on the field.
Summon Limit, but it doesn't solve the first turn problem.
Overlay Owl but they would negate its summon anyway.

Inzektors:
Effect Veiler.
D.D. Crow.
Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror.
Consecrated Light (only if they have no hornet equipped, so not that great).
Necrovalley (not extremely good but decent).
Safe Zone (they pop it they lose a monster, not amazing though).
Fiendish Chain.
Chain Disappearance.

Wind-Ups:
Maxx "C".
Effect Veiler.
D.D. Crow?
Regenerating Mummy possibly, if they send it to the grave you add it back to your hand, they're likely to hit it constantly when the hand gets low. Not bad to draw into too.
Neko Mane King possibly, if they hit it their turn ends, risky though, bad to draw into too. Could also be a side against Dark Worlds.
Since these are a first turn deck at the moment I won't list cards that need to be already on the field.

Hieroglyphs: (I don't know much about these)
Maxx "C".
I'm not sure if Effect Veiler does much against them.
Zombie World, tribute summon quite a lot (although that might be tribute to summon), and it stops quite a few Dragon specific cards.
Mask of Restrict.
Light-Imprisoning Mirror, most of them are light.
Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror, it'd stop their REDMD.
Summon Limit, they spam a lot.
King Tiger Wanghu since they spam 0 attack monsters quite often.
Any negate special summon cards like Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo.

Ninjas:
Thunder King Rai-Oh, they add to the hand often.
Effect Veiler can really hurt their Upstart Golden Ninja.
Royal Decree can hurt, but they don't really need Ninjitsu Art of Super-Transformation to run, Xyz spamming with dead traps would work almost as well.
Warrior Elimination, they don't spam much though.

Any other new top tier(ish) archetype I'm forgetting?
121.222.228.13 (talk) 04:10, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Against Rabbits, you're better off with Spirit Reaper, Arcana Force 0 - The Fool, Marshmallon, and, believe it or not, Wave-Motion Cannon. Dolkka can negate the Flip Effect monsters making them less useful. Lava Golem is also an insanely good side against them.

Hieroglyphs don't have to use REDMD, so strike Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror. Wanghu isn't very effective as they'll kill it with either an effect or by battle (their 0 attack monsters would come out after they've destroyed him). Leeching the Light is decent against Hieroglyphs as they have high ATK monsters.

For Ninjas, Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror isn't a bad side - it stops Tour Guide and Hanzo. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 14:19, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I completely forgot about Hanzo being dark. And why would Wave-Motion Cannon be a good side against rabbit? I'm not quite getting that. Is it because if they don't negate it they could get big damage, if they do they lose materials? Because if that's the case wouldn't cards like Smashing Ground or Dimensional Prison be better?123.211.144.181 (talk) 08:11, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

If you watch ! Xcloud (some number of spaces) play on DN, you'll see that he sides everything against Rabbits. He does extremely well against Rabbits by siding in a bunch of wall monsters (The Fool, Reaper, Marshmallon) an Wave-Motion Cannon. If I'm not mistaken, they don't run a lot of Spell/Trap removal... BF2 Talk Deck Guides 17:33, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

I can see why the stall monsters would work. Their only real destruction cards would be Dark Hole, maybe 1 or 2 Smashing Ground or Dimensional Prison, and I don't think you'll be attacking much with the stall monsters. But Wave-Motion Cannon still seems iffy to me, Laggia can negate it if they wish, but I guess it'd make them think a bit more if they want to use those solemns that have set later too.123.211.144.181 (talk) 08:18, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

They don't use a lot of backrow destruction and Laggia usually has better things to negate (and if they negate it, you're free to use Dark Hole or another good card). BF2 Talk Deck Guides 13:45, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

What about Mask of Restrict for Hieratics? I feel as if it would be a > or + card on the above list, because most Hieratic plays and means of destroying cards come from tribute effects. 108.196.206.15 (talk) 14:27, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

+ would be appropriate. It shuts down the engine, but like Macro Cosmos and Necrovalley it's vulnerable to Tefnuit -> A Wingbeat of Giant Dragon. 207.233.120.2 (talk) 00:01, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Dino rabbits,Wind-up and Inzektors[edit]

This list should have sections for those 3 i have some cards : inzektors:

  • necrovalley:stops dragonfly and others from equipping hornet from graveyard.
  • d.d. Crow:when they try to get hornet from the grave,chain and LOL at their dragonfly unassisted
  • different dimension ground:chain this to anything they use to dump hornet in grave.
  • effect veiler:use to stop inzektors from equipping anything.
  • macro cosmos:unlike dimensional fissure,this works on spells

LG talk My own Guides 16:03, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Having played Wind-Ups, I find it horribly injurious when the opponent springs a Bottomless Trap Hole on Zenmaity. Breaks the loop, leaves the Wind-Up player struggling for a turn. Oh, wait, do you guys still have the Priority ruling? Guess it won't work that way for the TCG. At least it still can be used on Shark.
Effect Veiler is also particularly useful in defusing Zenmaity and Rat. Especially Rat, since they will be left with a monster with 600 ATK in Attack Position just asking to be beaten in.

--Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 14:06, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

In the list above, Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell is listed twice for Gravekeeper's (with different ratings of effectiveness). Also, how about Consecrated Light against Steelswarms and Royal Decree against Chain Burn? 207.233.120.2 (talk) 18:57, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I just realized, Gozen Match and Rivalry of Warlords can both cripple Wind-Ups, right? 99.165.192.113 (talk) 00:50, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, and they cripple Dino Rabbit as well. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 00:52, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

--68.41.75.225 (talk) 08:55, April 2, 2012 (UTC)I have found Icy Crevice to be a interesting card to side agaisnt insector players. It will hurt them for playing hornet and has the potential to break up loops. In addition after its been played once the oppenent will begin to act more cautiously around single backfields. Just a card not widely expected that can throw insecktors off their game.

If they shot your monster before shooting your back row, they are being silly. Which reminds me: "Wild Tornado" and "Security Orb".207.233.120.2 (talk) 17:35, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

We need to update the table at the top for the current meta. Someone please do it. Its really accessible to all users and its a good list with good explanations.

Roughpuppet (talkcontribs) 10:32, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

With the recent changes to Ignition Priority (now "Fast Effect Timing", i.e. nonexistent for Ignition Effect Monsters), "Effect Veiler" becomes a viable side against Dino Rabbit. Designless Square (talkcontribs) 18:32, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
For the record, I haven't played for a long time, I'm not sure about the current meta, or what to use against it.
I've mentioned a couple of times that anyone can edit the list as long as they know what they're doing (follow proper table syntax); or post below if they're not sure about adding to the table.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 23:45, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

ok.. i'll get some small suggestions on the most common cards to use against the meta decks.

Dino-Rabbits gozen/rivalry. different attibutes and types, rabbit being earth/beast. rest being dino/ earth or water or fire. Xyz monsters are dragon/fire.

effect veiler, post priority ruling, priority was able to cause it to use its effect before veiler so it was off the field before veiler activates. also useful to negate evolsar dollka if one feels like doing so. forces them to waste material.

chain disappearance, better post priority. similar reason to above, though it will leave the field first. Also able to use against tour guide, another staple against this deck.

spirit reaper/marshmallon, good stallking monster cards, do not activate, does not need to be normal or special summoned(set) thus cannot be negated when attacked. good stall card to stop them from beating you down.


Inzektors: shadow imprisoning, all dark, activate on field in order to control. not unlike reasons for infernity

macro cosmos, does not allow them to send hornet or any other equipped inzektor card to the graveyard. same thing as shadow imprisoning.

effect veiler, generally good at negating their effects of all monsters

chain disappearance, able to banish a dragonfly or hornet if they get summoned. stops their special summoning mechanic and causes them to not be able to swarm.

Wind-ups, gozen/rivalry. all different types and attributes. no explanation needed

cyber dragon/chimeratech. wind-up XYZ cards are all machine type, thus a good card to counter. to zenmaines and zenmeity.

effect veiler. able to stop wind up loop during first turn loop

maxx C. negates the effects of wind up loop, by drawing more cards then they make you discard.


There are definitely more cards to side deck against these and other matchups but this is the general kick start to the big 3 decks this format. effect veiler may be a general card as people main deck it as well. but always good to mention.

other deck types inc darkworlds, heroes. main meta decks that have not been mentioned above.

Roughpuppet (talkcontribs) 14:19, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Guys, read the original comments Falzar made.
"Ignoring Staples as they are not Side Deck material." Under Staples:
Effect Monsters

  • Maxx C
  • Effect Veiler
Perhaps Maxx "C" shouldn't be listed. But certain OTK Decks like Dark Gaia OTK and Empty Jar will end the game if your opponent drops "Heavy Storm" or "Trap Stun" and you don't have Veiler. Maybe Glads or Zombies don't need Veiler against most things, but there are times when it's the only viable option. Designless Square (talkcontribs) 17:27, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
But the thing is they're a main deck card where you side the rest, they aren't cards you'd side if you don't main them.
121.222.167.78 (talk) 05:15, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Well, against Dino Rabbit, I would suggest side decking Black Ray Lancer and Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon,not to mention Neo Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon, whose overwhelming effect can destroy any Dino decks. I would also recommend the forgotten Majestic Star Dragon, who can destroy a Dino Rabbit deck in seconds If you aren't maining Maxx "C"/Veiler you probably shouldn't be siding them either.
60.228.86.44 (talk) 13:57, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Lancer and Galaxy-Eyes most likely won't make it to the field, and Lancer only has 2100 ATK anyways. "Majestic Star Dragon" is unlikely to land as well, and won't be around on your opponent's turn.
What I meant about Veiler is that a Deck which normally has no need for Veilers, is compelled to run them to protect itself from what would otherwise be an unpreventable OTK. Ancient history.
"Trap Hole" works nicely against Inzektors, killing Dragonfly, Centipede, and Hopper. It doesn't hit Hornet, Ladybug or DAD, but it can't be circumvented with Zektkaliber (unlike Veiler), a chained MST (unlike S-IM, Skill Drain, Macro Cosmos and Fiendish Chain), and it's not a half-answer like BTH/Chain Disappearance. Designless Square (talkcontribs) 00:15, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

A "Best of all worlds" list[edit]

Is there any chance that we could get an ideal list of cards to side? Maybe rank the top 20 cards to side, in the order of their priority? Like, Light-Imprisoning Mirror can shut down Lightsworns, but aside from them and Hieratics, there's not much reason to side it. Conversely, Effect Veiler and Maxx "C" are listed as "effective" for their sections, yet they work against any and all decks. For people who need help quickly organizing a side deck to combat any and all threats, a small list of cards that are recommended for all side decks would be helpful, since while no one can tell you what cards you HAVE to put in your main deck, a side deck can always run the same 15 cards no matter what deck you use, and will almost always be just as effective. The Pope 14:45, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

The problem with this is what you should side changes quite constantly depending on the area and what's been used in big tournaments.
Take some of the latest ones for example, people removed sides for Wind-Ups because they weren't doing well at all, no point siding against a deck that has such little showing when there's more important ones right? This in-turn let a few Wind-Up players top at a few tournaments which ofcourse made people start siding against them again.
And then there's local tournaments where the meta may be GB's, GK's, Machina Gadgets, Lightsworn, etc.
124.185.79.184 (talk) 12:38, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
Then just make a list of all purpose side cards. IPlay4Fun (talkcontribs) 15:05, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
I like the idea, it could be useful to build a quick base to a side deck, which can then be slightly adjusted, depending on local meta and such. Cards like gozen match for example, hits not only wind-ups and rabbit, but can hit decks in lower tiers likely to be seen in local 'meta', such as GBs and Six-sams. Obviously if your local meta is straight dark worlds and insectors say, then you can customize the base to suit you (i.e. shadow-imprisoning etc) Chewbacca The Drummer (talkcontribs) 17:37, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
You can do this by sorting the table by Sided Card instead of Deck. At present, The End of Anubis has 9 entries, Chain Disappearance has 10 entries, Necrovalley has 13 entries, D.D. Crow has 14 entries, Skill Drain has 17 entries, D-Fissure has 18 entries, and Macro Cosmos top the list with 19 entries. 98.148.148.43 (talk) 16:03, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Tier Divisions[edit]

I do not think the divisions on the Tier List page should be applied to this page until the creators of that page come to a formal definition of what constitutes a "Tier". Designless Square (talkcontribs) 20:49, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion[edit]

I've noticed several side deck suggestions are designed to counter strategies that are now rendered obsolete due to said strategy being shut down by the banlist. For example, some cards suggested against Wind-Ups are brought up with the now-defunct Hunter loop in mind. I'm pretty sure the same will apply to several other tournament decks which were forced to change their playstyle after certain banlists are implemented. Should we remove suggestions that no longer apply? --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 04:54, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Absolutely. Also, I am dismayed to find that someone added "Tier" divisions to the list, again. Which is funny because some of these Decks don't even operate outside the OCG. Maybe I can understand why they seem official since we have a page about them, but there's no reason to have the Tier divisions if we include stuff that's common in the OCG but not here. Particularly amusing is "Madolche" in the "Tier 2" box when it's not even on the list. Can we get rid of them too? (And add some sides for Madolche, I guess.) Designless Square (talkcontribs) 21:03, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Having this information in visual form would really help. I don't have much experience with it so I'm not really able to help in that regard. A Venn diagram maybe?

I mostly want to eliminate seeing the same card, good against more than one deck, written twice.72.89.194.84 (talk) 14:27, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Dragon Rulers[edit]

I really think you should add some good cards to side in against the new Dragon Ruler Archetype. Cards that come to mind are Gozen Match and Mind Drain. 24.8.106.176 (talk) 23:39, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Not only the Dragon Rulers, the list also needs to have cards against "Prophecy"/"Spellbook" and "Evilswarm" Decks. --Missign0 (talkcontribs) 02:27, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

I don't really know if I'm doing this right and if not Im sorry. But a few good cards that I have found to work against them would be (for example) Effect Monsters: Battle Fader: Free no battle phase on direct attack and useable with backrow unlike gorz Trifortressops: 2800 (starting) defense means no killing it with blasterfor a turn Swift Scarecrow: Usable with Macro/D Fiss on the field as it doesn't say "to the grave" Grand Mole: Bounce back drago sac as it doesnt destroy (**vunerable to d prison/other battle traps though) Veiler +Maxx c: Assuming no macro Veiler either A. Stops big eye, B. Stops Dragosac from making tokens. Either one is a good thing Droll & Lock Bird: Prevents adding other dragons AND super Rejuv ((I think [1] ?)) (when it comes out JOTL ((Same as key beetle)) Flying "c" :When your opponnent special summons a monster summon this to their field. They can not xyz (but it is an earth lv 1 so they could still do some synchro shenanigans with it) (Maybe) Cyber dragon + Chimeratech (at the minimum it would have 3 k attack from the cy dra, dragosac, and 1 token (assuming they poped with it. If not then you got a 4 k chim, that even if warned they 1. Lost drago and tokens and 2. Wasted their only solemn (judg/warn) **CAUTION** do not rely on this because it will NOT work with macro on the field as chimera says grave specifically

Synchro Monsters Crimson Blader: Kill token, eff goes off, ???, Proffit

Magic (Uhh, I havent really seen any that could work but maybe): Messenger of peace: Either A. Makes them force a pop, B. Force them to use a lance to attack (IF they even run it. Which is doubtful). And if A. Then you just saved your other back row or monsters (granted to be popped by other monsters but still) System Down: Only useful for dragosac as it doesnt destroy so it bypasses his natural token protection One day of Peace: Gives you a turn to stall and take no damage but gives them a card too Forbidden Dress: Universal destruction protection but attack lose is a pain (mostly to ophion)

Trap Gozen Match/Rivalry: Both do the same thing essentially but both for different things. Gozen is more of a hard hitter as it prevents them from going into the double dragon instant xyz plays, but it could allow crimson blader in one VERY specific circumstance (Blaster + Flamvel Guard) SUmmon Limit: Stops them from either 1. Getting the instant xyz or 2. Summoning the tokens (depending if they somehow Bold texthad a lv 7 already on field) Imperial Iron Wall: Just stops banishing. Brilliant Windwolf777 (talkcontribs) 11:57, June 28, 2013 (UTC)


my opinion is for against evilswarm, if u are synchro based deck, u can use Number 30: Acid Golem of Destruction or Gem-Knight Pearl for a start. if your deck spell & trap are mostly destroy/ targeting opponents monster type ( not monster destroyer like Dark armed dragon ), try to change swap cards like mirror force to increase attack power like Horn of the Phantom Beast ( refer to your deck ). this was based on assuming that evilswarm users are ophion 1 turn lover and relied too much on their immunity Infestation Pandemic. easy win is to use cards like Meklord Army of Granel or grandmole. too lazy ? why don't use Flying "C" ?

not much to say about dragons lord from me. gozen match, using compulsory, maxx c, Chimeratech Fortress Dragon ( drago-sack and it's token are machine ).

can't say anything about spellbook cuz the one i fough before in real life is one without using extra deck ( and i don't know which style is the top tier or very strong ) Gemini 93 (talkcontribs) 14:26, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I tried.[edit]

I tried to update the list for 2015, but I can't get all the changes to display. At any rate, if someone wants to help cull the tips that are outdated, go nuts. Designless Square (talkcontribs) 04:36, January 26, 2015 (UTC)