Forum:So, it appears it's finally come...

http://forum.duelingnetwork.com/index.php?/topic/12447-whats-ignition-effect-priority/page__fromsearch__1

I guess Ignition Priority is gone. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 19:13, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

So Solemn Warning just got near-useless. Djjomon (talk • contribs) 19:16, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that. It still stops Future Fusion from doing anything. And it stops things like Shi En and Laggia. But yeah, it's not as good. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 19:21, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

I'll keep maining it in Karakuris just for Gorz the Emissary of Darkness or Tragoedia. Djjomon (talk • contribs) 19:23, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Can someone explain this to me? The charts are confusing... --68.45.139.158 (talk) 19:24, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

In short, you can no longer call priority when you summon a monster that has an Ignition Effect. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 19:27, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

So no BLS banishing if its bottomlessed? And when does it take effect?--68.45.139.158 (talk) 19:34, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

YES!! NOW THAT RANDOM VEILER I PUT IN MY DECKS WILL BE FINALLY USEFUL! HORRAY! SCREW THE RULES, YOU HAVE NO PRIORITY! LG talk My own Guides 19:45, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, no more BLS priority. But! If they respond with Raigeki Break BLS is then a valid Monster Reborn target.Djjomon (talk • contribs)

the 2 warnings are now 1 warning 1 bottomless. cool. LG talk My own Guides 20:13, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

And um, I guess this takes effect immediately. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 20:32, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, effective now. Djjomon (talk • contribs) 20:45, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

• You guys are insane if you think this somehow negates the usefulness of Solemn Warning. What it does negate is the usefulness of Maxx "C". Effect Veiler x3 has become the official way to go in (almost) every deck.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 20:58, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong here, Warning is still great. But, I think it will be either sided, or sided out of most decks. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 22:36, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Torrential just got considerably better and I think Inzektors are going to be used a bit more than Rabbit now since they lose nothing to this.
60.228.86.44 (talk) 21:59, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Just to make sure everyone is fully aware, the term is no longer referred to as "Priority". Determining who has the right to activate an effect at a given time is now "Fast Effect Timing". --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 22:36, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Should we have a sticky at Forum:Yu-Gi-Oh! Ruling Queries about this? Like how we had one for Forum:March 19th Ignition Effect Rule Change.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 22:59, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

• Definitely. I can already see the same questions piling up on other forums over and over. This is needed.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 23:00, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed here too. People keep asking about Veiler vs. Rescue Rabbit and other things that have been answered a million times, so it couldn't hurt. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 23:04, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

What are we going to do about the Fast Effect Timing page? People keep adding to it, but really Fast Effect Timing is just Spell Speed 2 and Spell Speed 3 effects. So, how did you guys want to handle that? I filled the page with some stuff, because wiki contribs were making useless edits. But that page can be removed if need be. ---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 03:14, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

We should really just put the chart there and quote a few lines from the article. There's no need for any more than that. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 03:41, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so how this affects "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning" and "Rescue Rabbit" has been discussed, but now I'm wondering (b/c I don't fully understand the intricacies of Priority) how does this affect cards that don't have effects that you choose to activate, something like the Monarchs that activate when Tribute Summoned? -Bhigpx (talk • contribs) 03:55, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

In response to the question of Monarchs, Monarchs are Trigger Monster effects; They are not effected by this rule change, and play as they did before. 70.63.37.58 (talk) 04:36, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, only Ignition Effect monsters are affected by this, so now after you summon BLS or another similar card, you can't immediately use the effect, and your opponent has a chance to get rid it before you can do anything. ---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 13:10, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I get how it takes REDONKULOUS cards and nerfs them slightly, but now I have to readjust how I build my decks, and I don't think that's cool. It's not like I didn't run solemn for card BLS, and Chaos Sorcerer anyway. I don't run nor do I want to run Effect Veiler anyway.

Shinkirou 17:20, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Um, how would Solemn Warning even become useless? It is a counter trap and cannot be negated by anything but counter traps, and still destroys any monster your opponent summons (except for Rescue Rabbit).

Dr Kain (talk • contribs) 23:45, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

It's not that Warning became useless, other cards with no LP cost can get the job done in most cases now. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 02:04, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Huzzah, gameplay unity on both sides of the Pacific. That Wind-Up loop doesn't look so bad now that Bottomless can break it easily. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 02:49, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Too bad we still have to deal with broken Exclusives. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 02:50, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Bottomless could break the Wind-Up loop anyway (unless they were running multiple Hunters). I don't see any massive impact on Wind-Ups from the new rules. Battlemaniac (talk • contribs) 16:12, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah could have broken it before, but your opponent would have still been able to dump 1 card from your hand before with Prio with Hunter (Save for Veiler), and the same with Prio with Carrier. Now, under the new rules, you can shut down Hunter with Bottomless before you lose any cards. --72.178.98.26 (talk) 23:10, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Explain how Bottomless hurts the Wind-Up loop.
Last I checked all cards that let you activate traps from your hand are banned.
60.228.86.44 (talk) 13:50, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

• You're assuming that every loop occurs T1, which isn't the case at all, and even then, T1 loops can be broken by Effect Veiler, after which BTH can be set to end further attempts at the loop.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 14:56, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

So how did prio removal + bottomless change the fact that they could loop? Because Zenmaighty could still summon? Bottomless their hunter and they can't loop anyway.

And the T1 loop is the only one you should be really worried about anyway.

60.228.86.44 (talk) 15:19, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

• Well, due to the Ignition Priority change, Bottomless now becomes more viable, therefore, it can actually be USED on cards like Hunter and Zenmaity. That's the point. It doesn't matter that it could have been used before, because it was a bad card before and no one ran it. And I highly disagree that the T1 loop is the only one to worry about. If Wind-Ups drop your hand and then follow-up with a series of Xyz Summons, it can be hard to recover from, at virtually any point in the game.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 15:22, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

You could bottomless Hunter before the prio change. You can't prio Xyz. Sure they get to send 1 card from your hand but it completely stops their hand destruction until they can make 2 more rank 3s (leviair and zenmaighty).

And most decks can defend against the Hunter loop mid game easily, and really, without Avarice they get 3 1500 attackers + 1 other rank 3 at max (if they don't get rid of them with hunter), a single high attack monster would either force an Acid Golem or make it a waste of time.

60.228.86.44 (talk) 15:48, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

• Right... cause no one runs destruction cards. Also, what, you couldn't prio Xyz? Since when? Like I said, Bottomless was a bad card before and no one ran it. Now they do. That's the relevant part. You seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing now.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 15:51, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

You're making no sense, are you seriously saying you thought you could prio summon?

I don't see what destruction cards have to do with it, nearly every deck in the meta only runs 1 destruction spell (Dark Hole) and at most side Smashing (if that).

And if Bottomless was so bad why is it semi'd? It is and was a good card.

Also, I'm arguing because you're wrong.

60.228.86.44 (talk) 15:58, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

• Are you seriously saying you couldn't? For example, Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity has an Ignition Effect, therefore, you could use priority with it as soon as it is summoned. What's hard to grasp about that? It worked the same as every other monster card that could use an Ignition Effect. And no, it wasn't a good card. The fact that it's Semi'd means jack all. Marshmallon is Semi'd, doesn't make it a good card. Injection Fairy Lily was once Limited. All that matters was what people were running. And people run destruction Traps, and monsters with destruction effects. Wind-Ups can easily make Tiras or Adreus, there's also Zenmaity, to name a few very common cards.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 16:03, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Prio SUMMON. Jesus christ I've been saying that from the beginning, prio effect means prio effect prio summon means SUMMON.

Marshmallon is a bitch to get over, Injection Fairy Lily was part of an OTK if I remember correctly, and even if it wasn't back when it was hit 3000 attack was a lot.

And oh yes, you can definitely use destruction traps when something's already on the field and you're ready to spam (the only traps that that'd work with in the meta are CED/Raigeki Break which aren't common). And making a rank 5 so you can do the loop but making the rank 5 stops you from being able to do the loop, smart.

60.228.86.44 (talk) 16:11, April 28, 2012 (UTC)