Forum:2 ? - Same name cards and ATK increase at summon

Can I have three Umis and three A Legendary Oceans in one deck?

Can Trap Hole or Bottomless Trap Hole be used on a monster who is increased as it's summoned? For example, a monster is summoned, and a field card changes its ATK, or the monster changes its own ATK by its own continuous effect. Which must Trap Hole be used against? The monster before its ATK changes or after? Please confirm there's no difference between the field card's change and the monster's change. Sorry if this sounds really confusing, I'm having trouble wording it. Zeek Aran 01:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

• If you check the rulings page, you'll find that A Legendary Ocean acts like the various Harpie Lady cards. --Crab Helmet 01:32, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

• You can activate Trap Hole or Bottomless Trap Hole if the effect is some sort of continuous effect that is instantly active, but not if it needs to use the chain. So, for example, if Prometheus, King of the Shadows is Normal Summoned and uses his effect, you cannot chain Bottomless Trap Hole, as the ATK does not increase until after the chain has resolved, but you could use Bottomless Trap Hole if the opponent had Mystic Plasma Zone on the field, as the ATK bonus would occur the instant Prometheus hit the field, before the chain began. --Crab Helmet 01:32, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Ha. I was actually referring to Harpie Lady 1 for both of these questions. Can Bottomless be used on her? And sorry I didn't check Harpie's page. Zeek Aran 02:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

• Harpie Lady 1 has a Continuous Effect, which means that it will be applied the moment it hits the field - before you even have a chance to chain Bottomless Trap Hole - so Bottomless will work. Also, the card's name is always the same, even while building your deck. --Crab Helmet 02:41, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

the point with the "name effect" is that you can use "harpie lady" cards on all of them. it does not count towards the "3 card limit". it works in gameplay only. Mini neos 17:04, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

• Crab's correct, if a monster with an oriinal ATK of less than 1500 is summoned, and a continuous effect increases the ATK past 1500 once it's on the field, the activation conditions are then correct for the activation of "Bottomless Trap Hole".--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 01:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

• Mini Neos, I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but "Harpy Lady 1" and friends count as "Harpy Lady" for the purposes of deck construction, and counts toward the three card limit. Check the rulings. --Deus Ex Machina 06:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Wrong, and Right. Harpie Lady 1, 2, and 3 count as three cards. Notice that the three Harpie Lady cards have different abilities.

• Mini neos is wrong, as rulings have repeatedly attested to. Danny Lilithborne 18:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)