Forum:Am I the only person who thinks that Blackwings needs help?

Am i the only one who thinks BW are awesome but they lack help? I mean,they have a similar style with six sams. but they need, you know banlist help,new cards,...etc. post your thoughts here LG talk My own Guides 17:43, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

I think about this a lot. I know what would make them broken. Release their 5 star Synchro from the manga. You could bring it out with Vayu with minimal set-up. Vayu would end up going to one and they'd be back to sucking. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 17:56, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

not really,non vayu based builds only use one anyways, but i would like to see kalut/gale/whirlwind semi'd. oh well they have their own kizan -bora- their own honest -kalut- their own junk synchron -blizzard- their own jurrac guaiba -shura- their own gateway of the six -whirlwind- their own watapon lol -breeze- and their own shrink+kizan -gale- LG talk My own Guides 18:16, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

My point was that Vayu Turbo decks would be broken with a Level 5 BW Synchro. Just Vayu + Bora/Zephyros/Shura. It's an easy set-up. Plus, the Level 5 Synchro from the manga has a great effect for non-Vayu builds. It just summons a BW from your hand. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 20:23, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Facepalm. Blackwings don't need more support. The only cards they need are here. They had their cards limited because they are too good and too easy to use. The deck was about as auto-pilot as it gets. If konami decides they need support, they can just un-limit some cards. Stop being greedy and accept that they were too good to be in the meta.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 21:13, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

So it's greedy to want them to be good again without bringing back their extremely broken cards? That's uh.....great. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 21:55, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't matter that people want okay support/good support, in the end you want MORE support. That's kinda the definition of greedy.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 22:17, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

How is it greedy? I want to see a cool deck be decent again. It would be more greedy to ask for Kalut, Gale and Whirlwind to become less restricted. It would be more greedy to ask Konami to make them as broken as they once were. I'm asking for them to just be relevant to the metagame again. Plus, they do have more support already. It just happens to be anime/manga only. I just want them to make the support into actual cards. Meanwhile, HEROes are the bigger than every other archetype by a longshot. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 22:24, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

What they have is good enough to play with, I know tons of people that still play the deck, but accept that they probably will never/ shouldn't come back. If you don't think the deck is good enough, the you are being too lazy to be better, or are being greedy and want MORE cards for this already huge archetype.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 03:23, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Being too lazy to be better? What the hell kinda thing is that to say? I've tried many different builds and variations of Black Wings. They just plain don't do well this format. It's not about "trying to be better". The most skillful player isn't going to consistently win with them this format. But, rather than un-restricting their broken cards, why not release some of their Manga only cards? I'm not asking for them to make more support. More support already exists, but it's manga only. I'm not being greedy for wanting them to release the manga BW cards. And I certainly don't feel that we all should just accept that they'll always be just alright as a deck. Also, you need to watch your tone. Between this and the stupid Hornet vs Dragonfly forum, you're starting to sound really condescending. I'm trying to be as civil as possible and all I get in return is "greedy, lazy, X is a bad card because I think it's bad, etc." If you want to debate maturely, I will gladly keep a discussion going with you. But, if you'd rather hurl around insults like a pre-teen boy, I'll just ignore you and continue on with the discussion with LG, since he genuinely wanted to know people's thought's on Black Wings. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 04:34, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

I've bean calling your attitude greedy this whole time, say lazy once and assume I'm talking about you? If you want to "debate maturely", then keep your assumptions out of this. There are many players unwilling to change there styles in order to improve, I know too many, but I don't know you. The ONLY thing I know about you is that you Like Inzektor Hopper, and that you want Blackwings to be better than what they are. Not every deck is meant to "come back", Play with what you have and do your best, and if New cards come along, the that's cool to. But when you have such a huge pool of cards to choose from, be happy, not every deck get so many options as Blackwings or Heroes. --Helix-king (talk • contribs) 04:48, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Regardless of whether or not your words were directed at me, your attitude about this topic stinks. I never made assumptions. Not once did I say that

I thought you were directing your comments towards me. I was pointing out that you shouldn't hurl around words like that regardless of who they're directed at. BWs have so many cards to choose from, yes, but 75% of their cards are terrible. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 05:10, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Don't try and be all politely correct, I will call lazy people lazy because it's true. If someone doesn't want to adapt to get better at a game then they are Bad Players, simple as that, don't try and defend them, try and HELP them. There are childish insults, but that doesn't mean insults don't belong in a debate. Sometimes there just isn't a different way to get a point across. As for the support, yes alot of it sucks, but I know that, which is why I chose my words carefully, "not every deck get so many options as Blackwings or Heroes" I didn't say support cards for their archetype, I said options. I have seen HUNDREDS of black-wing variants, all of them viable. Anywhere form Virus cards to Diamond Dude. Same with Heroes, I don't think I need to elaborate on all the decks they could make.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 05:20, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Let's just leave it at that, this is getting us nowhere. I actually just agreed with a lot of what you just said. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 05:49, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Cool beans, I also want to clarify: I have nothing against blackwings, it's a cool deck, I have nothing against them getting support, if it happens, it happens, I just really hate these "X should get more support" threads.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 06:09, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I see. They do get a little annoying at times, I suppose. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 06:51, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Just sayin' Battlestorm, Swallow's Nest.

Swallow's Nest is actually very good in BWs and I wish it wasn't so overlooked. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 04:35, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

helix,BW are NOT auto pilot they don't have a single strategy, its not like : "trololo i drop out armor master and troll all your battles" armor master is not the only thing BWs do.i find myself in many cases in a situation that requires me to be extremely creative and tricky to win.also 6 sams were pretty meta and Now they are meta again AND getting help.and yes battlestorm is awesome but not nest as i often don't need a bw with same level LG talk My own Guides 04:41, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

True, NOW they are not auto-pilot, but when that second set came out, that deck was the easiest thing to run. Granted in terms of Synchroing there was not many options back then, but even then it was the most predictable duel in the game. You would see one card and know immediately what would follow, there were no surprises. Ever.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 04:54, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

greaaatt now i suppose that my deck is never gonna be good? DAAAAMN LG talk My own Guides 05:01, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Hoooooooooooooold up, I never said Blackwings are bad.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 05:05, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

well, i know blackwings have a lot of support and yes i know that 75% of that support sucks, but that doesn't mean that they are not playable. Right now, there are many blackwing builds around, and many of them are not "auto pilot" just as some people suggest. What blackwing need is getting black wirlwind and kalut semi limited, gale is never going to get semi (be realistic people, you know it), they don't need any pore support.

BW are my faveorite archtype and i think that with those changes they can aspire to be in the meta game again, im just saying. and that would be nice.

i really want them to release the 5 star synchro from the manga, it will accelerate BW SO much and will be easy to summon (summon vayu with shura or kalut with blizzard) LG talk My own Guides 14:03, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Shura kills something in battle. Get Vayu. Synch for 5 star BW. Then remove Vayu and Shura from grave for another. Brokenness. Find a way to drop Frmula and we have the next deck that can consistently drop SQD! Or, you could overlay them. It would give BWs a lot of options. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 17:23, March 27, 2012 (UTC)