Forum:Byser Control

What I am hoping to create is a deck that has a win condition by Synchroing cards with Byser Shock, while using Byser Shock to continually disrupt the opponent and devestate attacks/synchros/combos while also continually summoning him back for Synchros/effect with Doom Shaman. I would greatly appreciate any ideas and suggestions. Thank you in advance. :)

The Split 00:55, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Interesting deck. You need 3 Book of Moon. Also, you might want to include some hand control, after returning your opponent's cards to their hand. Trap Dustshoot could shoot the card right back to the deck, or Mind Crush could banish it.--Akiza Izayoi 01:19, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

-joy of editing at same time- You could add some Hidden Armory as well as Supervise to enable easier use of doom shaman, as well as some Dark Resonator/Plaguespreader Zombie and allow syncros to be the win condition? resonater + shock is 8, and plague + doom is 8, both are searchable though tomato, as well as tossable by grepher. You can also stand to grab a 2nd Allure of Darkness as all your monsters are dark, and possibly a Reinforcement of the Army for greph, and Book of Moon as stall/effect usage. Looking good so far & nice concept -193.62.251.50 01:23, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

I personally think Doom Shaman isn't very good....--Akiza Izayoi 01:40, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you both for your speedy replies.

I added in 2 Book of Moon seeing as it can also help be used as stall, as well as being suggested by both of you. :)

I made some minor adjustments, and decided to focus on the synchros for now, though they aren't my favorite. I am considering adding in Chaos-End Master, which is searchable by Reinforcement of the Army, able to bring out Byser Shock, and is also a tuner. What do you think?

I also found a fairly good card called Heavy Slump, which can really punish my opponents hand and field alike, along with adding in a Mind Crush.

Any more ideas/suggestions? The Split 01:41, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Akiza, Doom Shaman is used to continually recyle Byser Shocks effect. I doubt it would hurt if I moved him down to 2, but that's it considering I need him to continually disrupt my opponent. The Split 01:43, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Heavy Slump, forgot about that, good choice. In relation to chaos end master, that should work, though you'd have to put them face down, kill something with him, then bounce everything else with the summoned shock, as otherwise he'd have nothing to kill, but now I'm not sure what else to do with it, it does seem like it will work though, unless you get negated or just out-paced, but at the very least, no-one will expect it. -193.62.251.50 01:47, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

ANTI-SPELL FRAGRANCE! Any questions? Also, Chaos-End Master. Runer5h 01:51, January 15, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

For the next few minutes I'm going to be looking through the Tuners list, try to see if there are any other good Tuners to use.

And I will be adding in staple cards such as Solemn Judgement...Wait a sec, with Dark Bribe + Heavy Slump could work well... What do ya think?

And nice suggestion Runer, completely forgot about that! Thanks! I'll add in 2, maybe 3. :) The Split 01:59, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

-same time edits: 3 in a row- Bribe would give some negation, but with byser + runers suggested anti-spell(wish i'd remembered that >.>), that shouldn't be as important, but if you want :p, Also, the 2 i suggested are probbaly most effeciant, as resonater is fiend, so can be shaman'd, while plague is 2 stars & can self revive, either for sync, or to tribute for doom but see what you can see ^^ -193.62.251.50 02:00, January 15, 2010 (UTC) well, that & Emergency Teleport for Krebons + Doom Shaman or Psychic Commander + Byser Shock so it can be revived again later, so it's not a free hit-193.62.251.50 02:05, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Be sure to get a lot of those Chaos-End Masters. It works amazingly. Also, I really think you should be running Book of Moon at 3. --Akiza Izayoi 02:06, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

I'll think about it Akiza, but I put in 2 right now because I have 2 Book of Eclipse... I'll see though. :)

In the mean time, still searching (sooo many tuners). The Split 02:09, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I looked through around 120 Tuners and found...! Basically what you all told me.. :) I added in those 3 Chaos-End Masters, got to 44 cards, trimmed it down, as this is the result.

I'm thinking this deck needs some more synergying considering the Shaman/ Synchro aspect(s), any more suggestions? And thanks everyone for your help so far, this is really starting to look like a nice surprise deck! :) The Split 02:32, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Possibly another target for Chaos-End Master, or maybe more LIGHT support in order to twist it into a Chaos deck?--Akiza Izayoi 02:57, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmmm no, I don't think I want to turn it towards a Chaos deck...It's just that, the deck seems a bit...Unprotected maybe? And I'm not quite sure on what to take out for protection. :/ The Split 03:05, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

you could probably drop the 2 Dark World Dealings for 2 Threatening Roar as they are -1 -193.62.251.50 03:10, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, just one final thing I want to ask everyone. I'm pretty bad at taking away cards in my own deck, so if possible, though it might be kinda hard (at least in my mind), I need help putting these cards in the deck while still maintaining speed and synergy, as well as 40 cards.

+1 Threatening Roar

+1 Book of Moon

+1/2 Dark Bribe/Solemn Judgment

+1/2 Supervise

And maybe +1 Dark Resonater, since he can be reused using Doom Shaman.

If any of you can make this work I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you for everything you guys have done so far. :)

The Split 12:59, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Inferno Hammer? -82.10.142.152 20:35, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Ummm I could probably side Inferno Hammer, but for now I don't think I'll add him in. Thank you for the suggestion though. The Split 22:22, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

14 DARK monsters is definately enough for two Allure of Darkness. Also, I know I keep saying this, but I think you need to give more Book of Moon a chance. If it were me, I would run 2 Swords of Concealing Light, one Book of Eclipse, and two Book of Moon.--Akiza Izayoi 22:28, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thank you again for the suggestions.

I took away 1 Swords of Concealing Light and added in 1 Book of Moon, though "statistically" Swords of Concealing Light covers more cards and thus, returns them.

I also took away 1 Anti-Spell Fragrance and added in 1 Supervise.

I also took away 1 Chaos-End Master and added in 1 Dark Resonator, because Dark Resonator can be continually brought back by Doom Shaman, and also because of Chaos-End Masters fairly low attack, though I know the monsters would be in Defense position. The Split 23:49, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

I'm wondering if there are any cards to flip your opponent's Spells and Traps face-down.... --Akiza Izayoi 23:53, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmmm neither do I, good question.... I'll try to find out, that would be useful. Right now all I have for returning spells/traps is Giant Trunade. The Split 03:57, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Swap out Dark Resonator for Dark Tinker. You can synch for level 8 with Doom Shaman, and then you use Dark Tinker's effect and check your deck's top card. Runer5h 17:28, January 16, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

I was thinking of swapping out 1 Dark Resonator for a Dark Tinker, but only 1 though considering they are usually meant to be synchronized with Byser Shock, making for lvl 8 synchros, or Byser Shock with Plaguespreader Zombie and Dark Tinker for lvl 7 synchros. The Split 19:17, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

I still think 3 Chaos-End Master would be better. Put your opponent's monsters face-down, kill a monster with CEM, search Byser and return all of their monsters to their hand, then Synchro Summon.--Akiza Izayoi 19:49, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe, but I feel it is a bit more important to be able to bring the Tuners back for more Synchro summons. The Split 20:00, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe drop a Heavy Slump as well?--Akiza Izayoi 20:03, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

I think keeping Heavy Slump at 3 would be best seeing as many people prefer to keep their hand at around 3-4 cards, and with so many swarm decks out in the meta game today, with Byser Shock it isn't that hard to fill the hand up to 8.

If you have a compelling opinion on what I should switch it out for though, I'll be glad to listen. The Split 22:19, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Well, there's Trap Dustshoot. --Akiza Izayoi 15:08, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Umm yeah, I'd rather stick with Heavy Slump, I already have 1 Mind Crush aswell.

So, I took away the Threatening Roar seeing as with the cards turning monsters face-down that seems to stop attacks. I added in another Dark Tinker because I read about a really good combo involving a Synchro monster I was already going to use, Black Brutdrago. You somehow get Tinker and Doom Shaman on the field (Shaman DOESN'T have to have his effect though) and synchro them for Black Brutdrago. If/when he gets destroyed, bring back Shaman, special summon Tinker with Shaman's effect, and synchro for Black Brutdrago again.

I also added in the Synchro list, if somebody has a better Synchro monster to put in, I'll be glad to hear. The Split 17:01, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

I played about with it a bit, online, and apart from being a bit slow to startup, it worked pretty well, though in 5 duels I never drew ultimate offering >.>, Byser got to the grave fast enough, and once it started, it was good. However, I would recomed getting a 2nd allure, as sometimes just couldn't draw. Oh, and though I didn't try it, Degenerate Circuit? -82.11.158.0 19:29, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thanks a lot for trying my deck out online, I can't do that on my computer.

I'll try my best to see what I can take out for another Allure. Oh, and I thought about Degenerate Circuit as well, but I decided that instead I would just put 3 of them in my side deck, incase I faced a deck that benefited from having lots of cards in their hand (not sure if there is such a deck, but just incase).

And as for not drawing Ultimate Offering enough, was that bad because you were planning on using that for Doom Shaman, because I could also try to add another Supervise. The Split 13:25, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

When I did get Doom Shaman out, only once did he not live long enough to use effect, so the number of Supervise is fine, for the side decking Degenerate Circuit, if you side it in, drop the Heavy Slump for it, as they wouldn't get used. Also, I just noticed something which never came up, if you Book of Eclipse while Doom Shaman is on field, he'll lose effect once he goes back up..., but idk-193.62.251.50 14:31, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I took out Anti-Spell Fragrance and added in another Allure of Darkness, seeing how that Anti-Spell Fragrance limits the amount of cards I can play aswell, making me wait to activate things such as Swords of Concealing Light.

I also thought about maybe adding in Morphing Jar 2? It's another flip-effect monster I can continually reuse, and allows me to get tuners on the field, flip'em face-up, get out Byser Shock, synchro. Tell me what you think. :) The Split 21:55, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Trouble with Jar is that most of your important monsters are 4 stars or higher, & jar is 'pick up cards until same number of 'monsters' summon 4star & lower, toss everything else' so it wouldn't work on byser ~-82.11.158.0 11:51, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm I guess I see what you mean... Though it would also easily help me get tuners on the field... Well, other then that, I think the deck looks good for now. Thanks for the help! :) The Split 12:49, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Drop a slump and put in a Puppet Master. Taylor ace