Forum:CF vs CF suicide attacks

Here is the situation, both players have a Colossal Fighter on the field, and of course they are mirrors of each other, when the turn player suicides his CF against the other CF, whose effect resolves first? Or, do they resolve simoulteanousely, I think I just butchered that spelling?

Reading the rulings and tips page of Colossal Fighter it states, that it can trump an opponent's Honest When you suicide your CF against another CF, can you revive it with it's own effect, and attack another monster on the same turn?

Duelist33(My Talk) 20:28, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

If your "Colossal Fighter" and the opponent's "Colossal Fighter" are both destroyed by battle, then their effects both activate and form a Chain according to SEGOC.

• Chain Link 1: The Turn Player's "Colossal Fighter", selecting the monster it wants to Special Summon.
• Chain Link 2: The non-Turn Player's "Colossal Fighter", selecting the monster it wants to Special Summon.

(resolve)

• Chain Link 2: The previously selected monster is Special Summoned.
• Chain Link 1: The previously selected monster is special Summoned, assuming that it is still in the Graveyard.

If the non-Turn Player is smart, then he will target the same monster. His effect will resolve first and Special Summon the monster, and then the opponent's effect will resolve without effect.

I'm not sure what you mean about "Honest".

--Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 00:01, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

• In the tips page of Colossal Fighter it says that it can trump an Honest which I assume it means, the opponent that uses Honest on his light monster, will destroy the Colossal Fighter and using CF's revival effect, you can bring back CF, and attack another monster in the same battle phase. What I am asking is if you suicide against another CF on the field, can you revive your CF with his own effect, and attack another monster on your opponent's side of the field, with that CF?

Duelist33(My Talk) 17:53, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

I am sure that Colossal Fighter is Dark monster, not Light, so it won't be work if you try Honest on him. --FredCat100 00:12, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

• I understand that, I explained the question above your edit. I know that you can't use an Honest on Colossal.

Duelist33(My Talk) 17:53, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

• Also, I am a bit confused by the bottom statement, let me see if I can understand it, the part I am talking about is if the non-turn player is smart comment.

A Colossal Fighter suicides with another Colossal Fighter their effects resolve as SEGOC meaning simoultaneously I got that, how would that work, who gets to choose the target of the effect first, the Turn Player or The Non Turn player. If it is the turn player, and he chooses his CF, then the Non Turn Player chooses Turn Player's Colossal Fighter, who gets it out first, because I had thought of that. I know you resolve backwards. so according to that logic, the non-turn player would get the turn player's CF and then the turn player could summon the non-turn player's CF, since his target is no longer there? That doesn't make any sense to me, why wouldn't you just target your own. There is no ruling that states you have to announce your target is there?

Duelist33(My Talk) 18:00, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

The first answer was correct, when a CF suicides into another CF, the turn player's CF effect will activiate first and the turn will HAVE to announce which card he is targeting to revive. Then the non-turn player's CF will activiate and if he/she is smart, he/she will pick the same target as the turn player. Then the effects will resolve backward, the non-turn player will get the turn player's target. Then when the turn player tries to summon his target, the targe is gone and the effect will disappear and the turn player gets no monster. So NEVER suicide a CF into another CF.

For the Honest part, if a player attacks a CF into a light monster and the opp. activiates honest, the CF will get destoyed and the turn player takes damage, then it will summon a warrior back at the end of damage step (presumbably itself) and it can attach another moster freely.

I see what your saying, so in effect, that wouldn't be the best thing to do and by the other question I had it is obvious that I shouldn't suicide my CF against my opponents CF, Thanks guys.

Duelist33(My Talk) 18:48, December 11, 2009 (UTC)