Forum:De-Fusion and De-Synchro

The verbage of these card are not clear. When they are used, is it the opponent that special summons the material monsters from the graveyard, or the person casting De-Fusion or De-Synchro? Zorpheus (talk • contribs) 05:36, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Did you actually visit the links of those cards? The effects clearly state who Special Summons the Material Monsters. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 05:38, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Forgive me, but it does not seem as clear to me as it apparently does to you. I'd appreciate it if you simply gave me the answer rather than ridiculing me. Zorpheus (talk • contribs) 05:43, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Read the last 4-7 words in each card's current text. The answer you get also applies to "Xyz Encore". --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 05:47, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

You know, this entire thread could have been done three posts ago and we could have moved on with our lives had you simply answered the question, regardless as to how stupid you thought the question was. All you had to post was 2-3 words to answer it. Obviously, the "Read the card" advice you're spouting is not working for me or else I'd have never posted here in the first place. Perhaps all I was looking for was confirmation. After all, a few cards in this game do not seem to follow the logic I'd think they would follow upon reading them. Zorpheus (talk • contribs) 06:02, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, the cards' effects say either "You can Special Summon all of them" OR "you can Special Summon them". So in other words, you Special Summon them. If you don't mind, would you give some examples of that last sentence of yours? (If the cards are not in PSCT, then confusion is understandable.) --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 06:26, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you.

A few of those odd bits of logic...

1) Dust Tornado/Mystical Space Typhoon - Logic would tell me that if these cards were used in a chain, destroying the spell/trap card used, that arriving to the card's place on the chain with the card no longer existing means that the effect would naturally not occur. It wasn't until later that I learned that it absolutely must state 'negate' to prevent the effect, but my sense of logic still protests a little.

2) Amazon Archers - In a fairly recent duel, my opponent allowed me an attack with one of my monsters, then used the aforementioned card on an attack using a second monster. The card states that all monsters must attack when it is activated and omitted the words 'if able', which made my opponent argue that it meant that despite my first monster having already attacked, the effect makes it attack again. It was hard to refute the logic, but an official card ruling set it straight that the first card suffered the attack penalty but does not attack again.

3) Many cards are not clear about whether or not their effect is considered targeting a card. Sometimes it would seem logical the card does or does not target, only for an official card ruling to state otherwise.

4) Ally of Justice Catastor - Ruled that its effect does not activate on face-down defense monsters because supposedly the effect activates too early for a face-down card to flip, and face-down cards supposedly carry no attribute.

5) Monsters like Blast Sphere clearly have an effect that activates on flip but its effect is not considered a Flip Monster Effect, and therefore things that protect against Flip Effects do not trigger. See Pseudo-Flip Effect.

There are more examples of anti-logic in Yu-Gi-Oh, but these ones stuck out of the top of my head. Zorpheus (talk • contribs) 07:49, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

• PSCT should already clear up whether a card targets or not.
• Catastor's effect timing has been made clear with PSCT. Flipping up the monster to confirm its identity occurs on substep 2 of the Damage Step, while Catastor's effect would trigger immediately prior to this, on substep 1 - the start of the Damage Step. Face-down attack targets are not subject to Catastor's effect since it is uncertain if the target is a DARK monster or not.
• It has been clearly stated in rulebooks that Flip Effects are prefixed with "FLIP:". --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 09:14, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

You are playing YGO, a man-made game, not a natural thing, so there is no logics here. Its rules are maded by the creators (Konami). Whatever Konami rules are logics. Even if it rules that the duelist who reachs 0 LP first will win, we must still obey. That's all.--Lê (talk • contribs) 13:03, October 17, 2013 (UTC)