Forum:Determinng what cards can Miss the Timing

I worked on a page called Infinite Loop. When I did, I was trying to explain how some Loops can be allowed and others are not. i was wondering if a page can be made that explains the difference between (When.../then...), (When.../you can...), (If.../then...) and (If.../you can...). Is this a good idea? References would also have to be made to make sure people understand it better. --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 03:07, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

You mean the Missing the Timing page.-- HHTurtle ^Talk   12:41, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

When I direct people there they still say that they do not understand for some reason. Would it be appropriate to make four sections on that page like I proposed? --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 16:58, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

It's very straightforward. There are only 2 types of Optional Trigger Effect. Optional Trigger Effect the timing like effects that state "When..., you can...."

Everything else, like "If..., you can..." and "After..., you can...", will not miss the timing. What's so hard to understand?-- HHTurtle ^Talk   03:19, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Truthfully? I have no idea. However, the problem I have is explaining why some effects such as (When.../you can...) are Optional while (When.../then...) are usualy Manditory. I was hoping to make a page called Situational Effects or something like that. Then I could split the page up into the four categories and explain them in detail. Maybe provide several examples of each. The problem with the Missing the Timing page is what it covers, only Missing the Timing. If I was to make such a page, then the Missing the Timing page would become almost obsolete, however the new page would also be easier to use to explain to people why certain effects don't work the way they think they do. Three quick questions. 1 - Should I make a page like this? 2 - If I was to make a page like this, what should it be called? 3 - If I was to make a page like this, Should Missing the Timing be redirected there?

??? Do you understand the meaning of "Optional" or "Mandatory"? "Optional" means that you have a choice, as in a choice of activating the effect of or not. "Mandatory" just means that it is compulsory, it is a must that you can activate the effect if the activation requirements are met. There is no need for another article to explain all this.-- HHTurtle ^Talk   06:28, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Let me put it this way, How do I tell an idiot that other idiots refuse to listen to logic. Take that responce and post it as my responce to you. I am trying to improve this wikia. You just seem to think I am some kind of moron that doesn't understand English. I have had MULTIPLE people not understand the rules behind Missing the Timing. BUT just as many do not understand why "When.../then do this" effects are Missable and yet Manditory. I have also had many people ask why "If.../Then.." are sometimes Manditory and sometimes not. I AM SICK OF EXPLAINING THIS! And as such, posted here to get an idea of how to fix this problem. Please go away and leave this question for another to answer. If no one does, I will just start messing with pages on my own. --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 08:18, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Let me just say that for all this time of answering ruling queries, I've come across a lot of stupid (no offense) questions. Questions that are so nonsensical that it would be hard for you to believe that they are true. Questions like "If I flip a Dark Armed Dragon face-down with Book of Moon does it negate its effect?", "Can I negate the effect of Exodia?", "In the anime, Card of Sanctity lets the both players draw 6 cards, why can't I do that in real life? and one of the worst is "If I rip up my opponent's cards, does it count as destroyed?" and of course many others, most of them can be answered by them using the Forum Search Function. Even though, they might be nonsensical or questions that have been repeatedly asked an infinite amount of times. I still explain to them like I have done all this time. I don't get impatient just because someone doesn't understand it the first time around and I am certainly not "SICK OF EXPLAINING THIS!". YGO is a very complicated game, so just be patient in answering their questions.-- HHTurtle ^Talk   08:34, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

For the record, "When..., then..." and "If..., then..." effects are Mandatory Trigger Effects. Mandatory Trigger effects never miss the timing. The most important part that distinguishes if an effect is Mandatory or Optional is the "you can" part. If the effect doesn't state "you can", it is Mandatory as you have no choice but to activate it once it is triggered. If the effect states "you can", it means that it is Optional as in "you can" choose to or choose not to activate it. Seems like you are the one that is confused. Please read more on the Missing the Timing page.

Conclusion, Mandatory Trigger Effects and Optional Trigger Effects like "If..., you can..." and "After..., you can..." effects can never miss the timing. The only type of Optional Trigger Effects that will miss the timing is "When..., you can..." effects.

Hope this helps.-- HHTurtle ^Talk   08:36, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, First I would like to appologise for my previous post and losing my temper. I have difficulty with doing anything a second (or more) time. I get irritated even playing a game a second time because the batteries died. I just hate doing the same thing over and over. I am well aware of the different terms. Just please your opinion, what should I do when yet another person doesn't understand Missing the Timing? Should I just send them to you? --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 00:31, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

It's ok. Just ask them to read the Missing the Timing page thoroughly. Otherwise, you can find someone who can explain it better to them. You can also ask them to post their question at the Ruling Queries section of the forum. I believe that a lot of the users here can help them with their questions. Having someone to explain the rules to them should be better than asking them to read an article.-- HHTurtle ^Talk   01:13, September 30, 2010 (UTC)