Forum:Mecha Phantom beast - Limiter Removal

I've been playing Mecha Phantom Beasts for a while and untill now I didn't had mayor problems with rulings untill now.

Before all, this is an effect common to all the members of the archtype: "While you control a Token, this card cannot be destroyed by battle or card effects."

Now my problem is: I activate limiter removal while I controll a MPB and a token, but after that my tokens are destroyed. reach the end phase and...does the monster affected get destroyed??

I asked some admins of the page yet 2 of them sayd it's not destroyed, and 1 of them told me it is. Please some help. {{SUBST:User:OtakuJuanma/Firma}} 19:24, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

It's just about the same deal with Black Rose Dragon vs a Field Barrier'd Field Spell: The Mecha Phantom Beast is not destroyed. It retains protection even if both would be destroyed by the same effect. It even says so on the rulings of most of the Mecha Phantom Beasts with that protection effect. And a monster can only be "destroyed" exactly once by Limiter Removal during the End Phase, referring to the ruling on Limiter Removal's own Rulings page that says X-Head Cannon equipped by Heavy Mech support platform will simply have Heavy Mech destroyed in its place, with its ATK returning to its normal value. Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk) 19:40, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

You don't seem to understand the question. Generally, if during the End phase there are tokens and MPB monstes only the tokens (if machine-type)are destroyed, but what happens if there are no tokens during the End phase but there WERE during the activation of limiter removal. {{SUBST:User:OtakuJuanma/Firma}} 23:15, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

So, what you're asking is what happens during the End Phase when your "Mecha Phantom Beast" monsters would be destroyed by the effect of "Limiter Removal", yet you control no Tokens? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 23:33, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Why are you even asking then??? In that case of course they're destroyed. You already know the answer to your own freaking question. Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk) 01:05, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Please, don'tbe offensive, and I don't know the answer, that's why I'm asking. Maybe a long question is difficult for you so I'll put it simply: Limiter Removal's eff to destroy the affected monsters activates with the card activation or during the end phase? {{SUBST:User:OtakuJuanma/Firma}} 02:28, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

When does it say the monsters will be destroyed? What happens if you control no Tokens when your MPBs would be destroyed? There's your answer. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 02:51, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

If you used limiter removal on the monster card mention while you control a token monster if you still control token monster during the end phase that monster will not be destroy by limit removal, however the attack will return to normal, If you control a token monster when you activated limiter removal, and during the end phase you do not control a token, that monster is destroyed by limiter removal.Supernickid (talk • contribs) 03:23, September 19, 2013 (UTC)