Talk:Elemental Hero Deck

List of cards and proposed deletion

The "recommended cards" list here is terrible. Hero Kid is bad, Avian is bad, Burstinatrix is bad, Bubbleman is bad, Clayman is bad without Giant Rat, Necroshade is bad, Bladedge is bad, Ocean is bad outside of Big City, Woodsman is bad, Wroughtweiler is bad, King of the Swamp is bad, Polymerization is bad, Super Polymerization is bad, Feather Shot is bad, De-Fusion is bad, Skyscraper is bad, Bubble Blaster is bad, Bubble Shuffle is bad, Bubble Illusion is bad, Burst Return is bad, Fake Hero is bad, H-Heated Heart is bad, O-Oversoul is bad, HERO Flash is bad, Cyclone Boomerang is bad, Spark Blaster is bad, Hero Heart is bad, Fusion Gate is bad, Hero Signal is bad, Feather Wind is bad, Clay Charge is bad, Edge Hammer is bad, Kid Guard is bad, Miracle Kids is bad, Hero Spirit is bad, Change of Hero - Reflector Ray is bad, Hero Counterattack is bad, Elemental Recharge is bad, and Hero Barrier is so insultingly bad that I can only conclude that whoever made this list is some kid who watches the GX anime far too much and doesn't actually know how to play. In fact, the whole list is just a list of random E-Hero support cards. Permission to make MAJOR changes to the list?--Crab Helmet 05:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Dude, it's an Elemental Hero deck. How do you plan on making an Elemental Hero deck with out the Elemental Heroes?

• Well, apparently it never occurred to you that no card is 100% bad and that someone out there has made these cards work. Stop whining about cards you don't like. Rodtheanimegod4ever 06:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

• This is a list of "recommended cards". Presumably, recommended cards are cards that are worthy of being recommended. Take Hero Barrier, for example. It is exactly like Mirror Force, except undeniably worse. It is exactly like Magic Cylinder, except undeniably worse. It is exactly like Draining Shield, except undeniably worse. It is exactly like Negate Attack, except undeniably worse. It is exactly like Sakuretsu Armor, except undeniably worse. It is exactly like Dimensional Prison, except undeniably worse. It is exactly like Threatening Roar, except undeniably worse. But are Mirror Force, Magic Cylinder, Draining Shield, Negate Attack, Sakuretsu Armor, Dimensional Prison, and Threatening Roar listed here? No. However, Hero Barrier is listed here. Why? Not because of what it does. Not because it's worth using. It's listed here because it has "Elemental Hero" written in its text. That is the ONLY reason.

A list of "recommended cards" should be designed to help players decide how to build a deck. Throwing together a list of cards with "Elemental Hero" in their text doesn't help anyone. Therefore, I propose that one of these three changes be made:

1. Replace the entire list of recommended cards with {{hero}}, since the only real difference is that {{hero}} lists Mirror Gate (and since no card is 100% bad, I'm sure that someone out there has made Mirror Gate work).

2. Add Larvae Moth to the list of recommended cards. No card is 100% bad, so I'm sure that someone out there must have made it work.

3. Fix the list of recommended cards so that someone on earth might actually benefit from it.

Take your pick.--Crab Helmet 06:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Duuh, I have an Elemental Hero deck that is great for duels. Actually, you just need a little customization for this deck to work, like replacing one card for another. Acsys55 07:29, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

This is Wikia, not Metagame. Information on cards that fit the E.Hero theme are exactly what should go here. If you want to list E.Hero cards that go in a "good" deck you might as well just replace the whole page with a single link to Elemental Hero Stratos. Danny Lilithborne 07:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

No gowai.

Listing every Elemental Hero card doesn't help anyone (Deltaneos recognized this when he removed the list some time ago, at some point after which Nicholas Cen created a new list that looked remarkably like Judai's deck), and "recommending" them is actually harmful. The page would be better off without the big list of junk like Hero Barrier, so in that sense, a link to Elemental Hero Stratos would be an improvement; at least it wouldn't be recommending that players use cards that everyone knows are bad (although to say that Stratos is the only good E.Hero card is a gross exaggeration). If this site feels that, just because its URL isn't metagame.com, it is unfit to make any recommendations, removing the recommendations list is the most logical thing to do; having a recommendations list without recommending anything is a contradiction in terms. Also, I notice that Morphing Jar is here, but it doesn't seem to have "Elemental Hero" in its text, so it doesn't go well with the Elemental Hero theme. How about we replace it with Elemental Hero Poison Rose? That would fit the theme much better, even if it doesn't make the deck run more smoothly.--Crab Helmet 07:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Well congratulations on figuring out I was exaggerating. Serious answer now, I guess. And the idea of "Recommend"ing Hero Barrier is a bit silly, sure. But you gotta remember that the main reason most people are going to even make an Elemental Hero deck in the first place is "zomg i wanna be just like jaden get ur game on!" (not that there's anything wrong with that... really. As such, cards like Polymerization are going to be pretty central to what they're trying to do and to dismiss that by saying it's "bad" is going a bit far. (Besides, the idea that it's "bad" in general is, for the most part, untrue.) A balance should probably be achieved. And yes, what *is* Morphing Jar doing here? I'll think more abot this later. Danny Lilithborne 08:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

The people who just want to be like Judai can just go to {{hero}}, since the "Elemental Hero" section of it is essentially Judai's entire deck (sans the non-hero cards like Card Trooper, but the Judai-fanboys don't notice them anyhow), and the current list of recommended cards is essentially {{hero}} sans Mirror Gate and a few of the Environmental Heroes. {{hero}} even conveniently distinguishes real cards from Anime-Only cards, so people know which cards are actually available. Though I like to use it as an example because it's one of the most obnoxiously terrible cards listed, Hero Barrier isn't the only blatantly bad card on the list; Elemental Recharge, for example, is so bad that it has even been removed from the list in the past.--Crab Helmet 08:13, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, looking at the history, it seems that it was you yourself, Danny, that deleted the list made by Nicholas Cen on the grounds that listing every E.Hero doesn't help anyone. I can't think why you'd have had a change of heart since then. Also, if we are going to cater to the Judai fanboys (which seems like a pointless idea in the first place, but aside from that), why can't we at least emphasize the half-decent cards that he uses, such as Card Trooper and Elemental Hero Prisma (which even has "Elemental Hero" in the name)?--Crab Helmet 08:21, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Yep, I did, because of the rationale given above. I don't think a Wiki which serves as a repository of information should double as a guide on how to play the game; that gamers should find their own way. Or maybe that's some of Wikipedia's NPOV policy rubbing off on me. I reverted it because most of the cards were removed without any explanation, and to say that Avian and Burstinatrix aren't key parts of most E.Hero decks would fly in the face of what I think the primary purpose of this Wikia is - to be a source of information. Danny Lilithborne 08:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm all for the removal of the bad cards, in fact even that complete list. This is the Elemental Hero part of {{Hero}}} incarnate. A deck page should explain how the deck works, not list a bunch of cards that go in it. See the Demise/Doom or Diamond Dude Turbo pages for example. If there is no specific strategy to a deck, it shouldn't have a deck page. The definition of an Elemental Hero is a Deck that includes Elemental Heroes, so theres no need for this page, while there's a page for Elemental Heroes unless there is a specific stratgey associated. Only reason I can see why we should keep this page, is state at the top an Elemental Hero Deck is a Deck that includes E-Heros. Then have sub-sections for any notable types, like Destiny Hero Deck. If Big City is the only one, leave that with its own page and delete this. -- Deltaneos 09:35, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I remember having removed that list before... I think it shouldn't be deleted, but rather the list changed, with just some few actually good recommended cards, or removed, as we did before. --Dragon Slayer (Contribs • Count) 11:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

This may be the worst E-hero deck I have ever seen... well maybe not, but it's pretty bad. Most of the cards have already been pointed out, so i won't go into detail there. The only good E-hero deck I have seen, and admittedly, lost to is Big City. Any other E-Hero deck is not good (or in the case of the Electrum Chain OTK) consistent enough to play. I mean in a tourney, in casual play, they're just mediocre, but not horrible.

Now, about deleting this list I agree with Tyrant Slayer, we should just edit it instead of deleting the whole page, it just seems to make more sense to me.

SaintKiwi 11:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Saint Kiwi

• This Article really should boil down to describing different varieties of E-Hero Decks, and not just listing what cards are recommended. Also, describing how each card fits in individually to the Deck would be helpful.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 15:06, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I agree with TwoTailedFox, different kinds of decks should be listed here. Big City would obviously be the primary one, but lots of people use different kinds of EHero decks with varying degrees of success depending on the area's meta. Danny Lilithborne 04:45, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Also agreed. Looking at it now, it is just a list. There are very many types of E-Hero decks; Big City, Neos, Nature Heroes, and they should probably all have their own articles. And that Larvae Moth crack was extremely low. I would be inclined to agree with Crab Helmet had he not presented his argument in the style of someone who believes that Hero decks are for six year old boys who think the anime is real. Rodtheanimegod4ever 05:14, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
      • Right so, overall that's a keep, but the page needs fixing. -- Deltaneos 08:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Rat Heroes runs Warrior Lady of the Wastleland?

News to me. I wasn't aware that anything other than a few weird Draining Oppression Bushi builds ran her. --Crab Helmet 04:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Leave it, it's legitimate enough. Not everybody has as many Giant Rats as they'd like to have. She can sport half the crowd Gaint Rat's used to in this deck. -- Deltaneos 14:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Little City Deck

I was looking for some info about this deck, and I noticed you don't even know it exists. I just know that Little City Decks use Skyscraper and some heroes to overpower the opponent, and it sometimes has lightsworn cards and honest, among other cards I'd like to know.

Maybe someone should put it here? K.White 23:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

"This deck focuses into using Elemental Hero Captain Gold to search Skyscraper, then rushing the field with all the high-ATK Elemental Heroes, most likely Elemental Hero Stratos, Elemental Hero Neos Alius, Elemental Hero Prisma and Elemental Hero The Heat. Since Skyscraper is active, any of your monsters can easily destroy any opposing threat in battle."

"There is a version of this deck that is centered around Skill Drain and LIGHT monsters, using Honest to protect your monsters from any attack (or be used after Skyscraper increases your monster's ATK by 1000 when attacking, making a really huge attack), while using Elemental Hero Neos Alius and Elemental Hero Captain Gold to run over any other monster thanks to Skyscraper. Also, since Skill Drain is in play, Elemental Hero Captain Gold doesn't need Skyscraper to remain on the field."

I found this a very, very little while ago. Hope it helps. K.White 23:23, 15 January 2009 (UTC)