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| | : "[[Meklord Astro Machinicle]]" and "[[Meklord Astro Dragon Asterisk]]". [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 17:32, February 22, 2011 (UTC) | | : "[[Meklord Astro Machinicle]]" and "[[Meklord Astro Dragon Asterisk]]". [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 17:32, February 22, 2011 (UTC) |
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| − | The only word that the "Meklord" archetype has in common throughout the OCG is "Kikou", not "Machine". Unfortunately enough, "Machine" is a term used all over the OCG and TCG, not in fan translations, but in actual cards. Using "Machine" here for the OCG naming isn't just a fanlation matter, it's also something that could potentially confuse folks.
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| − | This is a legitimate concern, after all; saying "These are Machine cards" in terms of archetype name becomes an issue when we realize that there's already at least one OCG card already using the actual term "Machine", both on OCG and TCG ends, in two different ways. "Machine Assembly Line" carries one worldwide use of the term, and "Time Machine" carries the other - and they don't even agree on Katakana. Never mind, of course, the various Kanji terms that're treated as "Machine" when they make the jump across the pond.
| + | In my opion the new update on names for the Machine Emperors were a horrible decision. First it was Machine Emperors which I thought was an awsome name for cards. It showed how the Machine Emperors could be the rulers of all machine type monsters in Yu gi oh. Later, it seems that the awsomely genuine name has seemed to land on Meklords. What was that? Meklords don't even seem cool anymore. Yet, the "Meklord Emperor" monsters don't even have the word infinity at the end of their names. And the worst of all, Machinicle had a bad name change too. First, it was "Machine Divine Emperor Machinecle Infinity Cubic". It seemed long, but I liked it. Then it was changed to "Machine Divine Emperor Machinecle Infinity." Getting better. Then it was changed to the best name ever thought of. "Machine Imperial God Machinicle Infinity." That was the best name for that good of a monster card and it couldn't be better, but then it could be worse... and it is! This monster was changed from the perfect name to, "Meklord Astro Mekanikle." Now the name doesn't sound like Machinicle rules anything now. I don't know where the name, "Astro" came from because I never heard of a such ruler class. There is an even more strange twist with the Meklords. In the english version of yu gi oh 5D'S when [[Lester]] summoned [[Machine Emperor Skiel Infinity]], he actually said it in english. He didn't say Meklord in any of his sentences. So now, name changing in Yu gi oh has been changed to the wrong thing at the wrong time. The only thing I can do now is pronounce the names Machine Emperors when I play them instead of what it really says. |
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| − | Just because "Machine Emperor" was a common and useful fan translation for "Kikoutei" does not make "Machine Emperor" a legitimate OCG name. It makes it a term of *convenience* - one we use to avoid having to call them "Kikoutei" and confuse the heck out of people.
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| − | If we want to say "something is an official term", or otherwise say something is "in an OCG name", we need to use the actual official terms and actual OCG names. Fan translations, although convenient, do not count as official or otherwise adequate in any final sense. We need to remember that information we put up here on the wiki is ultimately *PROVISIONARY* in many regards.
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| − | That much said: the choice to call the Kikou series "Machine Imperial", and the choice to call Kikoutei "Machine Emperor", based on what the Dub said was a choice that ultimately complicated matters of translating the Kikou cards. We can't control what the Dub does; but the wikia ultimately should have looked for a simpler way of handling the situation than just following the dub, one that wouldn't split one archetype (Kikou) amongst two different terms (Machine Emperor and Machine Imperial). When we make fan translations, we kind of owe it to our readers to make things understandable - and asking them to remember multiple archetypes instead of just one kind of goes against that.
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| − | Very simply; any issues of whether or not someone could or couldn't find a card based on its Dub name would be best remedied by a page redirect and a note on the page listing the dub name as an alternate name, when dub names force this sort of problem onto us.[[User:EDavidR|EDavidR]] ([[User talk:EDavidR|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/EDavidR|contribs]]) 22:59, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Meklords in the metagame ==
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| − | Question: Have there been any winning tournament decks that use a meklord in their main deck, or their side deck? I want to know how popular they are.
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| − | == "[[Meklord Fortress]]" ==
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| − | Under what is "[[Meklord Fortress]]" classified? It's not under [[Meklord Emperor]]. I had to trawl through [[EXVC]] to find it. Should it be added to the archetype navbox? [[Special:Contributions/207.233.120.2|207.233.120.2]] ([[User talk:207.233.120.2|talk]]) 23:56, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :It should be classified as support for "[[Meklord Emperors]]" and as a "Meklord" itself, since it's Japanese name contains "機皇". It wasn't in the latter category, but I went ahead and added it. It should appear in the archetype navboxes for both "Meklord" and "Meklord Emperor" now. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 01:11, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::I don't see it. How distressing. Oh, well; thanks for taking an interest. [[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Designless Square|contribs]]) 02:01, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :::Try editing the page and hitting save without changing anything, or clear your cache. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 02:04, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
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| − | ::::No, it's still not showing up under Meklord. [[User:Merik2013|Merik2013]] ([[User talk:Merik2013|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Merik2013|contribs]]) 15:10, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
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| − | :::::It is for me. Not sure what the problem is. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 15:58, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
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| − | == Table~! ==
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| − | People want a guide, as the archtype as a whole is... fairly bad, so we may as well do one :3
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| − | | [[Meklord Army of Granel]]
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| − | | When Normal Summoned, halves the ATK of 1 opposing monster until the End Phase. It runs over almost anything once, but its modest ATK gets it destroyed quickly. Gains 100 ATK for each other Meklord you control. A good target for "[[Mektimed Blast]]". Can be recycled with "[[Meklord Factory]]" or "[[Reboot]]".
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| − | | [[Meklord Army of Skiel]]
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| − | | Low-ATK searcher. Gains 200 ATK for each other Meklord you control. When destroyed by battle, Special Summons "[[Meklord Army of Wisel|Army of Wisel]]", "[[Meklord Army of Granel|Army of Granel]]", or another copy of itself. Good for setting up the field for "[[Meklord Astro Mekanikle]]". Incompatible with "[[The Resolute Meklord Army]]".
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| − | | [[Meklord Army of Wisel]]
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| − | | The basic beatstick of the archetype. Gains 100 ATK for each other Meklord you control and gives them [[Piercing]]. A good target for "[[Meklord Army of Skiel|Army of Skiel]]".
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| − | | [[Meklord Emperor Granel]]
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| − | | Special Summoned when a monster you control is destroyed by a card effect. Able to equip 1 opposing [[Synchro Monster]] per turn, and can Special Summon an equipped monster. Starts at 4000 ATK/DEF (dependent on your [[Life Points]]) and gains the combined ATK of the monster(s) equipped. It is the only Meklord Emperor that does not prevent your other monsters from attacking. It is splashable in [[Scrap]]s due to their self-destructive effects; furthermore, it is Level 1 and [[EARTH]], allowing it to be used for the [[Naturia]] Synchros. Can be Special Summoned off of "[[Mektimed Blast]]", "[[Meklord Factory]]", or the end-of-turn effect of "[[Chaos Infinity]]".
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| − | | [[Meklord Emperor Skiel]]
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| − | | Special Summoned when a monster you control is destroyed by a card effect. Able to equip 1 opposing [[Synchro Monster]] per turn, and can sacrifice one equipped monster to allow "Skiel" to attack directly that turn. Base 2200 ATK/DEF, and gains the combined ATK of the monster(s) equipped. However, it prevents your other monsters from attacking. "[[Meklord Emperor Wisel|Wisel]]" is generally superior.
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| − | | [[Meklord Emperor Wisel]]
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| − | | Special Summoned when a monster you control is destroyed by a card effect. Able to equip 1 opposing [[Synchro Monster]] per turn. Base 2500 ATK/DEF, and gains the combined ATK of the monster(s) equipped. Can [[negate]] 1 [[Spell Card]] per turn, giving it a powerful form of control and self-protection. However, it prevents your other monsters from attacking.
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| − | | [[Meklord Astro Mekanikle]]
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| − | | Summoned by [[send]]ing 3 Meklords from your hand to the Graveyard. Able to equip 1 opposing Synchro Monster per turn. Base 4000 ATK (like "[[Meklord Emperor Granel|Granel]]", but not dependent on your [[Life Points]]), and gains the combined ATK of the monster(s) equipped. Can shoot equipped Synchros at the opponent's Life Points. Generally not worth the cost.
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| − | | [[Meklord Astro Dragon Asterisk]]
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| − | | Hard to Summon, and doesn't have much ATK unless you're willing to swallow a [[Card Advantage|-3]]. Does not steal [[Synchro Monsters]]--instead, it inflicts 1000 damage when one is Summoned. You can set the field up for it with "[[The Resolute Meklord Army]]". Note that unlike "[[Meklord Astro Mekanikle|Mekanikle]]" and the [[Meklord Emperors]], this card is only [[Semi-Nomi]].
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| − | | [[Black Salvo]]
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| − | | Revives "[[Meklord Army of Wisel|Army of Wisel]]" for a Level 7 Synchro Summon. Add in an Emperor for Level 8.
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| − | | Stalls a bit. Self-destructive effect brings out [[Meklord Emperors]]. Good follow-up attacker to "[[Meklord Army of Granel|Army of Granel]]" or "[[Mektimed Blast]]".
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| − | | [[Scrap Shark]]
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| − | | High ATK for a Level 4 monster, but destroys itself when any effect is activated. You can Special Summon a Meklord Emperor when it self-destructs.
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| − | | [[Scrap Breaker]]
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| − | | You can Special Summon it if your opponent controls a monster, whereupon it destroys a "[[Scrap]]" monster you control, usually itself. Basically an opening for an Emperor.
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| − | | [[Scrap Recycler]]
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| − | | Returns 2 "[[Meklord Army of Granel|Army of Granel]]" from the Graveyard to the Deck to draw 1 card. A target for "[[Scrap Breaker]]".
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| − | | Can destroy itself if your opponent has a monster with higher ATK. Creates an opening for an Emperor, and can revive itself later. Add to a "[[Black Salvo|Salvo]]" for "[[Trishula]]".
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| − | | [[Aurora Paragon]]
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| − | | Prevents Special Summons, but is destroyed when a monster is Normal Summoned. Useful against [[Plants]] if you can protect it from itself with "[[By Order of the Emperor]]".
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| − | | [[Witch of the Black Rose]]
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| − | | [[Normal Summon]] this card on an empty field. Either you get a free draw or you create an opening for an Emperor. Good in conjunction with "[[Black Rose Dragon]]". Can be Tuned with a [[Meklord Army]] and an Emperor for "[[Trishula]]".
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| − | | [[Dark Simorgh]]
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| − | | With their recruiter ("[[Meklord Army of Skiel|Army of Skiel]]") being [[WIND]] and the usual recruit ("[[Meklord Army of Wisel|Army of Wisel]]") being [[DARK]], this card is easily Summoned. Near-permanent control when combined with "[[Meklord Emperor Wisel|Emperor Wisel]]".
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| − | | Creates openings for Emperors. Destroying "[[Meklord Fortress]]" with its effect makes a +1.
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| − | | Creates openings for Emperors. Destroying "[[Meklord Fortress]]" with its effect cushions the loss. Easily Summoned with "[[Black Salvo]]" and "[[Meklord Army of Wisel|Army of Wisel]]".
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| − | | Its protective effect is rarely useful (neither "[[Ally of Justice Catastor|Catastor]]" nor "[[Black Rose Dragon|Black Rose]]" targets, and "[[Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier|Brionac]]" will simply bounce it before bouncing your Meklord Emperor), but its second effect is handy, especially with "[[Geartown]]" and/or "[[Magical Hats]]".
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| − | | [[Boon of the Meklord Emperor]]
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| − | | Draw 2 cards if there are no monsters on either side of the field except 2 Meklords. You can't attack the turn you use this card. Theoretically, you could wipe the field with "[[Dark Hole]]", Special Summon an Emperor, and Normal Summon an Army, but this card is generally not viable. "[[Allure of Darkness]]" can be used instead in [[Wisel]] builds.
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| − | | [[The Resolute Meklord Army]]
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| − | | A one-way stall card. Your "[[Meklord Army]]" monsters aren't destroyed by battle, but their effects are negated. Prepares the field for "[[Meklord Astro Dragon Asterisk]]". Your opponent will eventually resort to a card effect to get rid of this card or your monsters, which can create an opening for a [[Meklord Emperor]].
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| − | | Once per turn, Special Summon a "[[Meklord Army]]" monster from your hand. Good for powering up "[[Meklord Army of Wisel]]". Even if you don't have 2 "Army of Wisel" in your hand, you can Summon "Army of Skiel" and ram it into a stronger monster for "Army of Wisel". Prepares the field for "[[Meklord Astro Dragon Asterisk|Dragon Asterisk]]".
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| − | | A [[hand advantage|-1]], but gets any Meklord from the Graveyard to your hand. Works well for recycling "Army of Granel".
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| − | | Doubles the ATK of all Meklords, then destroys them in the End Phase. End Phase destruction creates an opening for an Emperor. Can be used with "[[Meklord Astro Mekanikle|Mekanikle]]" or "[[Meklord Emperor Granel|Emperor Granel]]" for a [[OTK]].
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| − | | Set this over "[[Meklord Fortress]]" to add a Meklord Emperor to your hand, or Set "Meklord Fortress" over this to Special Summon "[[Ancient Gear Gadjiltron Dragon]]". Both [[Spell Card]]s work with "[[Magical Hats]]" and "[[Scrap Dragon]]".
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| − | | Does not block the Meklord Emperors from attacking, as they are Level 1. "[[Meklord Emperor Wisel]]" can protect this card from "[[Mystical Space Typhoon]]" and "[[Heavy Storm]]".
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| − | | Allows an Emperor to attack directly. Stick it on "[[Meklord Emperor Granel|Emperor Granel]]" to end the game in two turns.
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| − | | If your hand is empty, this [[Continuous Spell Card]] allows you to draw 2 cards when your [[Meklord Emperor]] destroys a monster by battle. Recommended over "[[Boon of the Meklord Emperor]]".
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| − | | A destroyed "[[Meklord Army of Granel|Army of Granel]]" gives you a [[Gadget]] or [[Scrap Recycler]]. Alternately, a destroyed "[[Meklord Emperor Skiel|Emperor Skiel]]" or "[[Meklord Emperor Wisel|Emperor Wisel]]" gives you an "[[Meklord Army of Skiel|Army of Skiel]]" or "[[Meklord Army of Wisel|Army of Wisel]]", respectively.
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| − | | Changes all monsters to [[Attack Position]] and Special Summons a Meklord from the Deck or Graveyard (its effect is negated). Special Summon an "Army of Skiel", ram it into another monster, and get its effect (it resolves in the Graveyard). Can be used to trigger [[Flip Effects]]. While it can be used in a non-Meklord Deck, if you cannot Summon a Meklord, your opponent is permitted to check your Deck to verify. For what it's worth, this card can revive a previously Summoned "[[Meklord Astro Dragon Asterisk|Dragon Asterisk]]".
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| − | | [[Mektimed Blast]]
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| − | | Destroys 1 Meklord you control and 1 card your opponent controls. A [[hand advantage|-1]], but is chainable and creates openings for Emperors.
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| − | | When your Meklord is attacked, adds a Meklord from your Graveyard to your hand, and then destroys the attack target. Creates openings for Emperors. Not generally useful due to A) being a [[Card Advantage|-1]], and B) causing a [[Replay]]. Chaining "[[Mektimed Blast]]" reduces the sting, but you won't be able to Summon an Emperor.
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| − | | A [[Continuous Trap Card]] that keeps a monster from being [[destroyed by battle]] and from being [[target]]ed or destroyed by your opponent's effects. When it leaves the field, the monster explodes. Protects your monsters from "[[Dimensional Prison]]", "[[Book of Moon]]", "[[Mind Control]]", etc. Creates openings for Emperors or sets up for "[[Meklord Astro Dragon Asterisk|Dragon Asterisk]]".
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| − | | Does not block the Meklord Emperors from attacking, as they are Level 1. "[[Meklord Emperor Wisel]]" can protect this card from "[[Mystical Space Typhoon]]" and "[[Heavy Storm]]".
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| − | | [[Bone Temple Block]]
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| − | | Both players Special Summon a Level 4 or lower monster from the opponent's Graveyard. The monsters are destroyed in the next turn's End Phase. Your opponent typically gets a [[Meklord Army]] or "[[Black Salvo]]", making this card quite one-sided. The [[End Phase]] effect also creates an opening for an Emperor.
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| − | | Can be used to "cancel" the effects of "[[Meklord Army of Granel|Army of Granel]]", "[[Black Salvo]]", and "[[Aurora Paragon]]", whereupon you draw 1 card. Can also negate the effects of pesky [[Monarchs]] and cards like "[[Debris Dragon]]", though your opponent draws instead.
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| − | Got bored, your turn.-[[User:Resk|<span style="color:MediumVioletRed;">Resk ✩</span>]] ([[User_talk:Resk|Talk]])
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| − | :Added stuff. Why do I enjoy this? Also, what is "Grael"?...Oh.
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| − | [[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Designless Square|contribs]]) 05:56, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
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