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| Resets everything.
 
| Resets everything.
 
| Never
 
| Never
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|- style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"
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| [[Goyo Guardian]]
 +
| Very high ATK for a level 6. Good effect.
 +
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Magical Scientist]]
 
| [[Magical Scientist]]
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| Better than Brain Control, and that card's also Forbidden. It's also much better than Mind Control, which is limited.
 
| Better than Brain Control, and that card's also Forbidden. It's also much better than Mind Control, which is limited.
 
| Never
 
| Never
 +
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 +
| [[Cold Wave]]
 +
| Freezes backrow for a fairly long time. Preparations for an OTK. Also leaves the opponent vulnerable and unable to defend themselves once you use an effect that destroys their backrow.
 +
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Confiscation]]
 
| [[Confiscation]]
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| Formerly abused with [[Rescue Cat]] to create an OTK. Universal Searcher.
 
| Formerly abused with [[Rescue Cat]] to create an OTK. Universal Searcher.
 
| Very Low
 
| Very Low
 +
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
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| [[Mass Driver]]
 +
| Abused in many Decks to form a FTK, since it does not use up the Normal Summon and can be used multiple times a turn.
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| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Metamorphosis]]
 
| [[Metamorphosis]]
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| Can be Special Summoned. A reusable permanent [[Shrink]]. Universal Tuner.
 
| Can be Special Summoned. A reusable permanent [[Shrink]]. Universal Tuner.
 
| =
 
| =
 +
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 +
| [[Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow]]
 +
| Can easily turn battles around in [[Blackwing]] Decks. Unlike [[Honest]], it can even be used when attacking directly for massive damage.
 +
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"
 
|- style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"
 
| [[Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier]]
 
| [[Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier]]
 
| Epic effect, can be used more than once per turn, can clear field by itself. Sets up Graveyard.
 
| Epic effect, can be used more than once per turn, can clear field by itself. Sets up Graveyard.
 
| =, Low chance of ↑
 
| =, Low chance of ↑
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Card Trooper]]
 
| Can be a good beatstick for 1 turn. Sets up the Graveyard for many decks. When it dies, you draw 1, so no advantage lost. [[Machine Duplication]] can be used, so at max, it can be at 2. It probably wouldn't go to 3.
 
| =, Low chance of ↓
 
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Dark Armed Dragon]]
 
| [[Dark Armed Dragon]]
 
| Can be Special Summoned easily. Specific destructive power. High ATK. See [[Dark Armed Return]] and [[Teleport Dark Armed]].
 
| Can be Special Summoned easily. Specific destructive power. High ATK. See [[Dark Armed Return]] and [[Teleport Dark Armed]].
 
| =, Low chance of ↑
 
| =, Low chance of ↑
 +
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 +
| [[Dandylion]]
 +
| Compulsory effect. Gives lots of advantage most of the time. Re-usable in many decks, creates Tokens that can be used for Synchro or Tribute Summons. Effect also triggers when it enters the Graveyard through any means.
 +
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Elemental Hero Stratos]]
 
| [[Elemental Hero Stratos]]
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| Stops OTKs <u>AND</u> Special Summons a good Token.
 
| Stops OTKs <u>AND</u> Special Summons a good Token.
 
| =
 
| =
|- style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"
+
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
| [[Goyo Guardian]]
+
| [[Honest]]
| Very high ATK for a level 6. Good effect.
+
| Very good effect. It basically deals lots of battle damage to the opponent while destroying the opponent's monster. Easily reused with Beckoning Light.
| =
+
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner]]
 
| [[Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner]]
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| Universal searcher.
 
| Universal searcher.
 
| =
 
| =
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Spirit Reaper]]
 
| Relatively hard to kill. Its other effects are also great.
 
| =, Very Low chance of ↓
 
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Summoner Monk]]
 
| [[Summoner Monk]]
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| Fairly similar to the Forbidden card [[Card of Safe Return]]. Gives major Hand Advantage to [[Blackwing]] decks. [[Kalut]] Stacking >_>
 
| Fairly similar to the Forbidden card [[Card of Safe Return]]. Gives major Hand Advantage to [[Blackwing]] decks. [[Kalut]] Stacking >_>
 
| =, Very Low chance of ↓
 
| =, Very Low chance of ↓
 +
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 +
| [[Book of Moon]]
 +
| With the OCG revoking Priority from Ignition Effect monsters, Book of Moon can easily render these monsters harmless and vulnerable by immediately responding to their Summons.
 +
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Burial from a Different Dimension]]
 
| [[Burial from a Different Dimension]]
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| It's like [[Reinforcements of the Army|RotA]], but for Lightsworns, and it also mills.
 
| It's like [[Reinforcements of the Army|RotA]], but for Lightsworns, and it also mills.
 
| =, Very Low chance of ↓
 
| =, Very Low chance of ↓
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Cold Wave]]
 
| Freezes backrow for a fairly long time. Preparations for an OTK.
 
| =, Low chance of ↑
 
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Dark Hole]]
 
| [[Dark Hole]]
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| Gives Fusion Monsters a chance. However it can be abused and used as a Foolish Burial x(2+). It can also OTK with Overload Fusion, but that's also Limited.
 
| Gives Fusion Monsters a chance. However it can be abused and used as a Foolish Burial x(2+). It can also OTK with Overload Fusion, but that's also Limited.
 
| =
 
| =
 +
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 +
| [[Gateway of the Six]]
 +
| Can gain counters when Six Samurai monsters are Normal and Special Summoned. With the introduction of [[Legendary Six Samurai]] monsters that can Special Summon themselves, and the ability for Gateway to remove from ''anywhere'' on your side of the field, 2 or more of these would result in constant searching of Six Samurai monsters for every Summon.
 +
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Giant Trunade]]
 
| [[Giant Trunade]]
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| Easy OTK in [[Machine]] decks.
 
| Easy OTK in [[Machine]] decks.
 
| =
 
| =
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Megamorph]]
 
| Doubling original ATK can be a lot, sometimes enough to OTK. The drawback of halving when you have more LPs isn't too bad either as you can equip it to your opponent's monsters.
 
| -
 
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Mind Control]]
 
| [[Mind Control]]
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| [[One for One]]
 
| [[One for One]]
 
| Mind Master OTK and Frog OTK decks use this a lot. If some of those cards become Forbidden, then this could come back to assist some of the weaker archetypes such as [[Morphtronics]] and [[Fortune Ladies]].
 
| Mind Master OTK and Frog OTK decks use this a lot. If some of those cards become Forbidden, then this could come back to assist some of the weaker archetypes such as [[Morphtronics]] and [[Fortune Ladies]].
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Overload Fusion]]
 
| [[Chimeratech Overdragon]]. nuff said.
 
 
| =
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
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! style="font-size: 150%; background-color:black;" colspan=3 class="mainheader" |[[Semi-Limited|<span style="color:white;">Semi-Limited</span>]]
 
! style="font-size: 150%; background-color:black;" colspan=3 class="mainheader" |[[Semi-Limited|<span style="color:white;">Semi-Limited</span>]]
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
| [[Chaos Sorcerer]]
+
| [[Archlord Kristya]]
| Can be Special Summoned easily, good effect. However, relatively low ATK.
+
| Strong ATK, seals Special Summons, and is difficult to get rid of since it goes back to the top of the Deck instead of the Graveyard.
| =
+
| -
 +
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 +
| [[Card Trooper]]
 +
| Can be a good beatstick for 1 turn. Sets up the Graveyard for many decks. When it dies, you draw 1, so no advantage lost. [[Machine Duplication]] can be used, so at max, it can be at 2. It probably wouldn't go to 3.
 +
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
| [[Dandylion]]
+
| [[Debris Dragon]]
| Compulsory effect. Gives lots of advantage most of the time. Re-usable in many decks. However, there are more cards that Pierce now.
+
| Highly useable with the number of Level 3 monsters with very low ATK like [[Lonefire Blossom]] or [[Dandylion]]. Can easily make LV7 Synchros like [[Black Rose Dragon]], or higher-level monsters if Tokens are present on the field.
| Chance of
 
|- style="background-color:#6666FF;"
 
| [[Demise, King of Armageddon]]
 
| See [[Demise/Doom OTK]].
 
 
| -
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
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| His effect can't be used if at 1. If at 3, the advantages will be too high (especially with Synchro Summons) so...
 
| His effect can't be used if at 1. If at 3, the advantages will be too high (especially with Synchro Summons) so...
 
| =, almost certain
 
| =, almost certain
|- style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"
 
| [[Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier]]
 
| There's a loop with [[Symbol of Heritage]] and [[Mass Driver]]; if you have 3 Dewloren's in the Graveyard. So this card must be at 2 to prevent that.
 
| =, unless Mass Driver gets hit
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Honest]]
 
| Very good effect. It basically deals lots of battle damage to the opponent while destroying the opponent's monster. Easily reused with Beckoning Light.
 
| =, Chance of ↑
 
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Judgment Dragon]]
 
| [[Judgment Dragon]]
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| =
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
| [[Snipe Hunter]]
+
| [[Spirit Reaper]]
| Formerly abused in Gadget Decks due to massive hand advantage to fuel its effect. Now off the Limited status due to lack of use in Decks.
+
| Relatively hard to kill. Its other effects are also great.
| =
+
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Chain Strike]]
 
| [[Chain Strike]]
 
| Key card of Chain Burn decks such as [[Burn#Chain_Strike_OTK|Chain Strike OTK]].
 
| Key card of Chain Burn decks such as [[Burn#Chain_Strike_OTK|Chain Strike OTK]].
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Gold Sarcophagus]]
 
| Adds any card from your deck to your Hand. Removes the card face-up. However takes 2 turns before the card actually gets to your Hand, which is rather slow.
 
 
| -
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
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| [[Mystical Space Typhoon]]
 
| [[Mystical Space Typhoon]]
 
| Fast. Staple. 1 for 1 card. Moved from the Limited List to offset the banning of Heavy Storm.
 
| Fast. Staple. 1 for 1 card. Moved from the Limited List to offset the banning of Heavy Storm.
 +
| -
 +
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 +
| [[Overload Fusion]]
 +
| [[Chimeratech Overdragon]]. nuff said.
 +
| -
 +
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 +
| [[Royal Tribute]]
 +
| Particularly disruptive when used on the very first turn, leaving one vulnerable and unable to retrieve what has been lost due to [[Necrovalley]] on the field.
 
| -
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
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| Very powerful 1 for 1 card. Removes the monster upon Summon. Staple.
 
| Very powerful 1 for 1 card. Removes the monster upon Summon. Staple.
 
| =
 
| =
 +
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 +
| [[Icarus Attack]]
 +
| Powerful Chainable 2 for 2 card, which makes Blackwings even more lethal.
 +
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Magic Cylinder]]
 
| [[Magic Cylinder]]
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| =
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
| [[Skill Drain]]
+
| [[Solemn Warning]]
| 1 card to <u>continuously</u> stop a large amount of cards. Works well with cards such as [[Beast King Barbaros]]. See also: [[Skill Drain Deck]]
+
| A lot of effects that Special Summon are present in the game. 2000 LP is almost always worth breaking a loop that would otherwise generate several large monsters.
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Ultimate Offering]]
 
| [[Gadget]], Gadget, Gadget, [[Beast King Barbaros|Barbaros]], [http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/badgers Gadget, Gadget, Gadget, Gadget, OTK! or Gadget, Gadget, Gadget... Limiter Removal, OTK!] Alternatively, it can be used in [[Gemini]] Decks; such as [[Gigaplant OTK]].
 
 
| -
 
| -
 
|-
 
|-
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| Back when it was banned/limited, +1 cards were overpowered, Breaker lets you destroy a card almost for free and you'll still have a monster; or you could leave it as a 1900 Beatstick which is quite a lot at the time.
 
| Back when it was banned/limited, +1 cards were overpowered, Breaker lets you destroy a card almost for free and you'll still have a monster; or you could leave it as a 1900 Beatstick which is quite a lot at the time.
 
| =
 
| =
 +
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 +
| [[Chaos Sorcerer]]
 +
| Can be Special Summoned easily, good effect. However, relatively low ATK.
 +
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Cyber Dragon]]
 
| [[Cyber Dragon]]
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| [[D.D. Warrior Lady]]
 
| [[D.D. Warrior Lady]]
 
| Same as D.D. Assailant (above). Also, this card had the option of removing the monster, or not to remove the monster. This card also doesn't need to be destroyed by battle to remove the opponent's monster, just battling it will do, hence why this came off the list a while after Assailant.
 
| Same as D.D. Assailant (above). Also, this card had the option of removing the monster, or not to remove the monster. This card also doesn't need to be destroyed by battle to remove the opponent's monster, just battling it will do, hence why this came off the list a while after Assailant.
 +
| =
 +
|- style="background-color:#6666FF;"
 +
| [[Demise, King of Armageddon]]
 +
| See [[Demise/Doom OTK]]. The lack of such Decks in the meta, however, resulted in this card coming off the list.
 +
| -
 +
|- style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"
 +
| [[Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier]]
 +
| There's a loop with [[Symbol of Heritage]] and [[Mass Driver]]; if you have 3 Dewloren's in the Graveyard. The banning of Mass Driver made the loop impossible, letting this card off the list.
 
| =
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
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| [[Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys]]
 
| [[Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys]]
 
| At the time when it was Limited, destruction by effects were the metagame, especially with Gadget Decks using this to its fullest. Nephthys could come back persistently, destroying backrow at the same time. Then the metagame picked up speed with both Chainable Traps and Removal Decks becoming more popular, and use of Nephthys died down.
 
| At the time when it was Limited, destruction by effects were the metagame, especially with Gadget Decks using this to its fullest. Nephthys could come back persistently, destroying backrow at the same time. Then the metagame picked up speed with both Chainable Traps and Removal Decks becoming more popular, and use of Nephthys died down.
 +
| =
 +
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 +
| [[Snipe Hunter]]
 +
| Formerly abused in Gadget Decks due to massive hand advantage to fuel its effect. The lack of Gadget Decks around resulted in it coming off the list.
 
| =
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
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| A 'one for one' card that was rarely used outside of Gadget decks, and faster decks that could cope were made, so this came off.
 
| A 'one for one' card that was rarely used outside of Gadget decks, and faster decks that could cope were made, so this came off.
 
| =
 
| =
 +
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 +
| [[Gold Sarcophagus]]
 +
| Adds any card from your deck to your Hand. Removes the card face-up. However takes 2 turns before the card actually gets to your Hand, which is rather slow.
 +
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Lightning Vortex]]
 
| [[Lightning Vortex]]
 
| Limited due to abuse with [[Sinister Serpent]] for cheap frying of the opponent's face-up monsters. It still saw some abuse since there were 2 [[Night Assailant]]s still on the list. It finally came off the Limited status after Night Assailant hit 1 on the next list.
 
| Limited due to abuse with [[Sinister Serpent]] for cheap frying of the opponent's face-up monsters. It still saw some abuse since there were 2 [[Night Assailant]]s still on the list. It finally came off the Limited status after Night Assailant hit 1 on the next list.
 
| =
 
| =
 +
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 +
| [[Megamorph]]
 +
| Doubling original ATK can be a lot, sometimes enough to OTK. The drawback of halving when you have more LPs isn't too bad either as you can equip it to your opponent's monsters.
 +
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Pot of Avarice]]
 
| [[Pot of Avarice]]
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| [[Royal Decree]]
 
| [[Royal Decree]]
 
| 1 card to <u>continuously</u> stop a large amount of cards. Works well in [[Herald]] decks to prevent the activation of [[Counter Trap Cards]].
 
| 1 card to <u>continuously</u> stop a large amount of cards. Works well in [[Herald]] decks to prevent the activation of [[Counter Trap Cards]].
 +
| -
 +
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 +
| [[Skill Drain]]
 +
| 1 card to <u>continuously</u> stop a large amount of cards. Works well with cards such as [[Beast King Barbaros]]. See also: [[Skill Drain Deck]]
 +
| -
 +
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 +
| [[Ultimate Offering]]
 +
| Abused in [[Gadget]] Decks to create an instant swarm because each Gadget searches another on Summon. The lack of such Decks in tournaments let this card off the list.
 
| -
 
| -
 
|}
 
|}
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** Icarus Attack - BWs had it coming. They were going to be hit hard this time.
 
** Icarus Attack - BWs had it coming. They were going to be hit hard this time.
 
: <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 06:49, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
 
: <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 06:49, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
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Reasons list adjusted to reflect new banlist. Newly shifted entries are reset to "-". --[[User:Gadjiltron|Gadjiltron]] ([[User talk:Gadjiltron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gadjiltron|contribs]]) 15:59, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Revision as of 15:59, 26 April 2011


Key:
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 It should stay where it is.  
 ↑ 
 Chances are, it would become more Limited.  
 ↓ 
 Chances are, it would become less Limited.  
 - 
 Not sure / Please discuss below on what should go in these.  
   
 In the Forbidden List, the chance of them coming off the Forbidden list is in order of Low, Very Low, Never.  


In case someone somehow missed it. Click "Show" on the right side of the bar.
This list is for the people who are curious about why certain cards are banned/limited.
This list can also assist people before posting a prediction on the next banlist.
Please help out by pointing out changes that should be made in the list (if any) (please include reasons).
Keep in mind that the TCG banlist is exactly the same as the OCG banlist (minus the OCG exclusives). So, reasons should be based on the OCG rulings. (adding a note to those would be appreciated, something like the one on Victory Dragon.)
And for those who are wondering. No, I didn't make this list recently. It been on 2 other forums before. This is the most updated version of it as the other 2 aren't being updated.
See also: Historic Forbidden/Limited Chart. --  Falzar FZ  talk page  useful stuff    07:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Edit Log

  • Added "Edit Log" and "Discussion" sections. ^_^-- HHTurtle Talk   11:34, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
  • Small note on Cyber Jar, more reasons for Stratos, Lumina, Mind Master, etc. Links to a few terms. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:48, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • Table format/colour change. Well, I personally find it much easier to navigate through the list. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 10:24, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Before March 2010

Thought I'd add a few reasons to the cards that were unlimited before March 2010.
This is a list of the cards which I wasn't sure about, so if anyone has any ideas on these (or any that I missed), feel free to post in this section. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:59, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
  1. Abyss Soldier was Semi'd from April '05 to Sept '05 due to its abuse with Sinister Serpent, allowing infinite bouncing once each turn. After Sinister Serpent got Forbidden, Abyss Soldier possibly dwindled in use, and came back to Unlimited.
  2. Exiled Force was a very useful tool in the Warrior Toolbox. As the popularity of the Toolbox dwindled it eventually came off the list.
  3. Jinzo was popular early in the game's history since the game was slow enough to allow for monsters to be Tribute Summoned. Then the metagame picked up speed, where Special Summons became more favourable, and Jinzo dwindled in popularity due to both Royal Decree and presence of better monsters to Special Summon. Jinzo went back to unlimited possibly due to the Jinzo support popping up in Light of Destruction, and possibly stayed unlimited since its change in status didn't affect its use.
  4. Lightning Vortex was Limited due to abuse with Sinister Serpent for cheap frying of the opponent's face-up monsters. It still saw some abuse since there were 2 Night Assailants still on the list. It finally came off the Limited status after Night Assailant hit 1 on the next list.
  5. Morphing Jar 2 was a very potent field-disrupter, freezing the battle phase and eating up Nomis and Tribute monsters the moment it was flipped. This is probably why it was Semi, until '05 when destroying monsters with effects became more popular than battle, giving a very good way to circumvent its Flip Effect. It probably disappeared off the meta then, and so went back to unlimited.
  6. Protector of the Sanctuary was formerly abused with things like Time Seal and Yata-Garasu as an additional layer of insurance for such a lock since the opponent could only break the lock by drawing with a card effect. Time Seal and Yata soon got banned, leaving no reason to limit Protector of the Sanctuary.
  7. Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys and its Decks were popular back in '06. Back then, destruction with effects were all the rage, and Sacred Phoenix was nigh-unkillable with destruction effects, providing a Heavy Storm effect each time they tried to kill it that way. Eventually, the metagame picked up its pacing with RFG and more chainable cards coming into fashion, and Nephthys dwindled in popularity. Should now explain why it's unlimited now. This should also explain Vampire Lord and Zombie Decks in that day.

That's the best I can come up with to explain the above cards. --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 11:55, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Nice. Adding. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:20, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

March 2010

To start things off...
Why is Metamorphosis banned when Thousand-Eyes Restrict is also banned? Isn't that the main reason?
Did Konami ban Victory Dragon because they can? because there's something called surrendering. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:48, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Metamorphosis can still summon some very strong Fusion Monsters easily. For Victory Dragon, you have to understand that although you can surrender anytime during the duel in the TCG, you can only surrender starting from the 10th turn in the OCG so it still makes Victory Dragon very BROKEN.-- HHTurtle Talk   06:09, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
So since Metamorphosis is now banned, do you think they'll eventually take Thousand-Eyes Restrict off the banlist?--76.27.8.201 (talk) 07:25, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
I highly doubt that it will come off the list. When used properly, it's better than Gravity Bind and Level Limit - Area B. I've added the combo above. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:43, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
Metal Reflect Slime + Cyber End Dragon.--Helix-king (talkcontribs) 15:41, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough. Adding + slight expansion on the topic. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:26, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'm right there with you on the Ojama Trio, RoTA, and Judgement Dragon bits for sure. Everything else I'm pretty neutral about though. Goblinpunch787

Good to hear that you don't specifically disagree to anything. This list is supposed to be something that almost everyone can generally agree on. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:57, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

I just noticed that each card has a reason next to it. nice! Thanks for those who contributed.
Now to do the "Chances" column. I would prefer it if no one changes this column (to prevent edit wars). Instead, please post below and discuss them. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:57, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Ojama Trio is "not less limited" for good reason. The only way to turn Ojama Trio on it's head for general decks is to tune them, but when you don't have a tuner, it clogs your field to prevent swarming of any more than 2 monsters, and stops all kinds of other stuff. It's another OTK stopper, It makes Ojama Decks practically unstoppable, and there are also many ways to abuse it to create OTKs. I totally agree with pretty much everything else, entirely. Great list. NecrofearNorleras (talkcontribs) 14:55, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the guy above me. I'm not sure if you guys know of this but there was an annoying deck in the OCG when Ojama Trio was released. You activate Ground Collapse during your turn and then activate Ojama Trio during your opponent's turn, preferably during the Draw Phase or Standby Phase. This will cause your opponent to have no real use of their monster zones. It was really annoying and broken.-- HHTurtle Talk   16:22, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
If you have a Tuner, can't you switch the token to ATK mode, suicide (with 0 ATK >.<), then summon a Tuner and Synchro for a level 5-8 monster? But still, I'll consider changing that a bit. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 21:50, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

There's something that shouldn't be there. Changing Decree, Oppression and Drain: = → - until it's further discussed.
Their strengths are too different. Oppression might be Limited, while the other 2 may stay imo. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:21, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Honestly, Victory Dragon ain't broken anymore, due to many removable - Fissure, Smashing Ground, Lightning Vortex, Mirror Force, Bottomless Trap Hole, etc. So why is it stay on banlist, eh? Oh yes, no one playing Match duel when come to him. --FredCat100 (talkcontribs) 19:01, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
The problem with victory dragon is since they ALWAYS could possibly win the match, even if you won 2 of three, you must play the third game, since they could win the match still--Helix-king (talkcontribs) 15:45, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

September 2010

  • Updating and...
  • Correct
  • Brain Control - It was on chance on going up, which was right.
  • Rescue Cat - up, which was right.
  • Monster Reborn - low chance of coming down, right.
  • Dark Hole - low chance of coming down, right.
  • Royal Oppression - I knew this was going up, which is why I split the cont. trap trio
  • Mystical Space Typhoon - chance of coming down, right.
  • Chaos Sorcerer - chance of coming down, right.
  • Ojama Trio - chance of coming down, right.
  • Goblin Zombie - was on my prediction list for March, a bit late, but I was right.
  • Treeborn Frog - Well, I did say read the card.
  • United We Stand - I kinda knew this, with the list of so many ways to stop it.
  • Incorrect
  • Magic Cylinder
  • Black Rose Dragon
  • Cyber Dragon
  • Heavy Storm
  • Not Predicted
  • Black Whirlwind
  • Snipe Hunter
  • Royal Decree
  • New
  • Substitoad
  • Infernity Launcher
  • Trishula


You should update harpie's feather duster and Change of heart in your list since they say that heavy storm and Brain control are still limited. Jens (talkcontribs) 18:47, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 22:36, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Corrected position of Ultimate Offering and Skill Drain. --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 14:28, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it was right before. Ultimate Offering and Skill Drain are still Semi. Only Decree went to Unlimited. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 23:20, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

(struck my elbow on Falzar's chest) don't forget that Royal Oppression is limited, so to not confused it with Decree.. --FredCat T.P.F.R.J.R.W.S. 23:28, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
Ah. My bad, then. I've read the wrong parts of the card articles. --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs)

187.139.220.27 (talk) 21:16, August 30, 2010 (UTC)solemn judment should be un limited or semi limited in my opinion because it cost a lot of life points and it can give a lot of play for many forgotten and unplayable decks (itsus,union not vwxyz,billy decks, princess pikeru etc...)

Very nice page, although someone forgot to change the bg colour for CCV and Exchange of the Spirit. Fixed now. --Hozu (talkcontribs) 21:48, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

The Dark Magician of Chaos part says "Monster Reborn is also forbidden". Remember that it is now limited 186.4.40.87 (talk) 05:22, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'll fix that right now. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:29, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Also as Rescue Cat is now forbidden you should change the description of Summoner Monk --ME!!!!!!!!!! (talkcontribs) 12:02, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Done. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:13, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

I think that Magician of Faith and Imperial Iron Wall Imperial Order should be changed to never. Magician of Faith creates an infinite loop with Book of Moon and Final Attack Orders and Royal Magical Library. Imperial Order creates an infinite loop with Axe of Foolishness and Jinzo. --Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk) 01:20, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Since when was IIW on the Ban List???...BassNettoHikari2...Chat Page... 06:41, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Hey FZ, you need to fix:

  • Brionac's color to white;
  • Cyber Dragon and Treeborn Frog can't go up, they're Unlimited;
  • Monster Reborn/Dark Hole/Dandylion's chances to = or "Low chance of ↓".

--Missign0 (talkcontribs) 06:39, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Look at the order the list goes in. No One Special (talkcontribs) 01:26, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
Fixed Brionac. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:10, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Breaker?

Where are the reasons for Breaker the Magical Warrior being banned and limited for a while? Just saying...

--Kageakumo 01:35, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Not all cards that were limited/banned before March 2010 were added, I'm slowly adding them in though. Breaker's added now. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:59, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

We're approaching March 2011. Maybe it's about time some more predictions were added? --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 10:09, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Imo, banlist predictions can go in their own threads in Forum:Yu-Gi-Oh! Lists Discussion, just like how it was always done.
I'm fine with the current 'Chance of going up/down the list' values. If anyone has a different opinion on then, then go ahead and point them out. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:00, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Who is up for unbanning some yugioh cards

yugioh company WHY DO YOU CREATE CARDS WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO BANN THEM

This is a good and rare card and any reason you say to bann this card is simply STUPID

Do you know how many children want this card and how mutch it costs

UNBANN ALL CARDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — This unsigned comment was made by Tin666 (talkcontribs)

Or, you know, play tradition instead of advanced? — This unsigned comment was made by 67.204.168.170 (talkcontribs)

Two responses:

Banning cards is just Yugioh's way of recognising that they've made a horrible, easily-overlooked mistake, and this is the least they can do to prevent the breaking of games. Clearly you haven't been around in the game before Dark Dive got banned, or at least not been on the receving end of one.
Limiting Gorz actually keeps its price lower than if it were unlimited, since doing so would control the demand for Gorz. Do recall what happens to a card's price each time it shifts down the list - loosening restrictions on the card would mean that more people would want it since they can put more in their Decks, propelling the price to greater heights. No doubt, Gorz is a little expensive, but its current state allows it to be at its cheapest without outright banning it.

If you're still pissed, go do as the above IP Address has said and stick to Traditional. --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 03:29, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Gorz is cheap... I can get it for less than $1.... -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:43, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
Really? The usual price here in SG is about 10 SGD. --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 12:08, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
Bulk buy ftw (share with friends, and along with a bunch of other cards), but for singles, it should still be less than AUD$2 (SGD$2.5)
DLG1 Gorz. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:24, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
What is Dark Dive? I can't find it.-[User:BobaFett2|BobaFett2]] Talk£3.99
Dark Dive Bomber = Dark Strike Fighter's Translation from Original Japanese name. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:01, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

I've noticed that Book of Taiyou was on the Limited List for a short moment (Sep '05-Apr '06), though I can't quite figure out a reason why. Any ideas? --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 09:28, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Probably a form of Empty Jar which spammed Cyber Jar abused it. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:12, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

March 2011

Assuming Shriek had it right:
  • Correct
    • Cold Wave
    • Honest - But LSs and Heros are not topping... and Revelation is going to come out...
    • Dandylion
    • Card Trooper - Predicted to be exactly 2, reason was given in the list.
    • Spirit Reaper - Chance of coming down was right, but Book is going up? We now have less Targetting effects now...
    • Snipe Hunter - I said it was Outdated...
    • Demise, King of Armageddon - Same as snipe
    • Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier - List said =, unless Mass Driver gets hit. And Mass Driver got hit.
    • Gold Sarcophagus - Too slow
  • Not Predicted
    • Goyo Guardian - ...
    • Book of Moon - ...
    • Megamorph - Konami thinks Equip Spells are not threats any more. Mage Power down, United We Stand down, now this.
    • Skill Drain - There aren't any winning decks that use this...
    • Ultimate Offering - Same as Skill Drain
  • Incorrect
    • Overload Fusion - List had it as saying at 1, but I suppose it could come down, as Cydra decks aren't winning, and well, if you use 1, you have no machines to use the 2nd one, so you need to send more machines first, but you only have 1 Future Fusion.
    • Chaos Sorcerer - List had it as saying at 2
  • New
    • Mass Driver - I knew it will only ever be at 0 or 3.
    • Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow - BWs had it coming.
    • Gateway of the Six - SSs had it coming.
    • Archlord Kristya - I had it marked as 'probably won't happen, but it's possible...' on my predictions list.
    • Debris Dragon - I had it as 'Might Happen' due to Dandylion, Snowman Eater and Darksoul
    • Royal Tribute - I personally did NOT expect this to be hit (even at 2), GKs do not win much any more. The time that it topped was only because of the (quote) "Surprise Buttsecks" factor.
    • Solemn Warning - This getting hit was obvious
    • Icarus Attack - BWs had it coming. They were going to be hit hard this time.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:49, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Reasons list adjusted to reflect new banlist. Newly shifted entries are reset to "-". --Gadjiltron (talkcontribs) 15:59, April 26, 2011 (UTC)