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| &nbsp;It should stay where it is. &nbsp;
 
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| &nbsp;Chances are, it would become more Limited. &nbsp;
 
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| &nbsp;Chances are, it would become less Limited. &nbsp;
 
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| &nbsp;Not sure / Please [[#Discussion|discuss below on what should go in these]]. &nbsp;
 
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| &nbsp;In the Forbidden List, the chance of them coming off the Forbidden list is in order of Low, Very Low, Never. &nbsp;
 
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! style="font-size: 150%; background-color:black;" colspan=3 class="mainheader" |[[September 2010 Lists|<span style="color:white;">List of Reasons for why cards are Banned/Limited</span>]]
 
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! style="font-size: 110%; background-color:#333; color:white" align="center" |Card Name
 
! style="font-size: 110%; background-color:#333; color:white" align="center" |Reason
 
! style="font-size: 110%; background-color:#333; color:white" align="center" |Chance of going up/down the list
 
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! style="font-size: 150%; background-color:black;" colspan=3 class="mainheader" |[[Forbidden|<span style="color:white;">Forbidden</span>]]
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning]]
 
| Can be Special Summoned easily, good effect, high ATK. [[Honest]] can be used on his first attack, then the 2nd attack would be deadly. See also: [[Chaos]].
 
| Very Low
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End]]
 
| Can be Special Summoned easily, good effect, high ATK, nuke and burn. [[Judgment Dragon]] Destroys all cards, while this card Sends all the cards.
 
| Very Low
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Cyber Jar]]
 
| Unlike [[Morphing Jar 2|Morphing Jar <sup>#</sup>2]], this has a set amount. So it can be abused, allowing the controller can use it to gain advantage easily.
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Cyber-Stein]]
 
| Yes, it has a huge cost. But it also foreshadows an instant [[OTK]].
 
| Very Low
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Dark Magician of Chaos]]
 
| Premature Burial / [[Dimension Fusion]] are also Forbidden, so the loop can't be made with those cards. However, Monster Reborn is now Limited, so the loop can be used there. It's a strong monster with a very good effect; his effect even works when it's Special Summoned. [[Dark Armed Return]] decks are godly with this card. Also, [[Ice Queen]] was designed to replace it for spellcaster decks.
 
| Very Low
 
|- style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"
 
| [[Dark Strike Fighter]]
 
| Easily Synchro Summoned, no Tuner limitations. High ATK for a level 7 Synchro. High burn damage. Can do 4000 damage by itself, so it's too fast for the format. Finishing move.
 
| Low
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Destiny Hero - Disk Commander]]
 
| The effect is too powerful, [[Card Tips:Destiny Hero - Disk Commander|turning ordinary revival cards into Pot of Greeds]].
 
| Never
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Fiber Jar]]
 
| Resets everything.
 
| Never
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Magical Scientist]]
 
| Can easily create a [[FTK]]
 
| Very Low
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Magician of Faith]]
 
| Allows the player to reuse Spells Cards, mostly ones with Broken effects like [[Heavy Storm]] and [[Brain Control]]. Was part of the [[Tsukuyomi Lockdown]].
 
| Low
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Makyura the Destructor]]
 
| Use this card with cards like [[Jar of Greed]] and [[Legacy of Yata-Garasu]] to draw through your entire deck.
 
| Never
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Rescue Cat]]
 
| Instant +1. Abusable by [[Gladiator Beasts]], [[Naturia]], [[Synchro Cat]] and especially [[X-Sabers]]. Decks can spam this (e.g. [[Dark Desertapir]]). Too cute for the meta xD
 
| Low
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Sinister Serpent]]
 
| Free discard for [[costs]], etc.
 
| Never
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Substitoad]]
 
| Badly designed card, able to mill most of your deck in one turn. Combos well with [[Pot of Avarice]]. See also [[Frog Burn FTK]] (The most consistent burn/OTK/FTK deck, for March 2010)
 
| Low
 
|- style="background-color:#A086B7;"
 
| [[Thousand-Eyes Restrict]]
 
| Very good effect + Lock. Was part of the [[Goat Control]] deck. Easily Fusion Summoned with [[Instant Fusion]]. Easily revived because of it's low ATK and low level (e.g. [[Graceful Revival]] and [[Limit Reverse]]). You can use Instant Fusion, use its effect, then Tribute it for a Monarch.
 
| Very Low
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Tribe-Infecting Virus]]
 
| [[Lightning Vortex]] on legs, or [[Snipe Hunter]] on steroids. Now even more potent due to [[Blackwings|many]] [[Frogs|archetypes]] [[Batterymen|being]] [[Cyber Style|mainly]] [[Six Samurai|one Type]].
 
| Low
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Tsukuyomi]]
 
| Reusable [[Book of Moon]] effect. [[Super-Nimble Mega Hamster|Hamster]], [[Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter|Ryko]], Hamster, Ryko ... OMG NOO!!!!! Was part of the [[Tsukuyomi Lockdown]].
 
| Low
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Victory Dragon]]
 
| It's hard to summon, but you win a [[Match]], not a Game. In the TCG, you can [[Surrender]] just before that happens. However, the TCG banlist is the exactly the same as the OCG banlist and in the OCG, it's banned because you are only allowed to Surrender after the 10th turn; so unlike the TCG, it's possible for you to pull the effect off, even against experienced players. Also, this is the only [[Match Winner]] to not have the line "''This card cannot be used in a Duel.''" So instead, they ban it.
 
| Never
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Witch of the Black Forest]]
 
| We already have 1 [[Sangan|universal searcher]], and that's limited. This is a more power version of that, able to search out strong key monsters. E.g. [[Dark Armed Dragon]], [[Monarchs]], etc...
 
| Low
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Yata-Garasu]]
 
| This card alone, under the right circumstances, can create a lock by itself. see [[Yata-Garasu Lockdown]].
 
| Very Low
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Brain Control]]
 
| This card can win games by itself at the right moment. Essentially a +1, because the opponent loses a monster, and you kinda gain a monster. Very useful for Synchro Summons and then attacking directly. Can be used to gain Tribute fodder.
 
| Low
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Butterfly Dagger - Elma]]
 
| Can make lots of [[Infinite Loop]]s.
 
| Never
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Card of Safe Return]]
 
| Can be better than [[Pot of Greed]], due to the increasing number of Decks that rely on Graveyard manipulation.
 
| Very Low
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Temple of the Kings]]
 
| Similar effect to [[Makyura the Destructor]] (see above). Second effect is just as broken as Metamorphosis (below).
 
| Never
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Change of Heart]]
 
| Better than Brain Control, and that card's also Forbidden. It's also much better than Mind Control, which is limited.
 
| Never
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Confiscation]]
 
| Look at opponent's hand and discard anything. AKA 1 for 1 card + see opponent's hand bonus.
 
| Low
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Delinquent Duo]]
 
| This 1 card kills 2 of your opponent's cards in their hand.
 
| Very Low
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Dimension Fusion]]
 
| Too many good combos. Was abused with [[Dark Armed Dragon]] to clear the opponent's field and swarm your own, forming an OTK.
 
| Very Low
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Graceful Charity]]
 
| Too fast. You draw before you discard. Sets up Graveyard. Can be better than [[Pot of Greed]] in certain decks.
 
| Never
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Harpie's Feather Duster]]
 
| Too powerful. [[Heavy Storm]] is also Forbidden, and this card is even more powerful that that.
 
| Never
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Heavy Storm]]
 
| This on first turn is usually catastrophic for the opponent, and not everyone manages to set [[Starlight Road]] on their first turn.
 
| Low
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Last Will]]
 
| Formerly abused with [[Rescue Cat]] to create an OTK. Universal Searcher.
 
| Very Low
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Metamorphosis]]
 
| [[Card Tips:Metamorphosis|Too many good combos]]. Notable ones include [[Beast King Barbaros]] → [[Cyber Twin Dragon]] and [[Metal Reflect Slime]] → [[Cyber End Dragon]], [[Destiny End Dragoon]] or [[Naturia Extrio]].
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Mirage of Nightmare]]
 
| Too fast *cough*darkworld/fabled*cough*. If it gets destroyed, you don't need to discard, so it's as good as Pot of Greed.
 
| Never
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Painful Choice]]
 
| You don't lose hand advantage. Gets a good card or send cards that work well in the grave; similar to activating 4 Foolish Burials at once
 
| Never
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Pot of Greed]]
 
| Too fast, no cost, everyone would use it. While it's true that it would increase the speed of slower decks; it would help decks that already have draw power even more (as they would use their draw power to draw into this card more often).
 
| Very Low
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Premature Burial]]
 
| Fast, good combos, can be reused fairly easily. Loops with cards like [[Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier]]. There are combos that allow 1 Special Summon per turn through cards like [[Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier]], [[Falcon of Mist Valley]], etc. Searchable and reusable via [[Hidden Armory]].
 
| Very Low
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Raigeki]]
 
| Too powerful. Dark Hole is Limited, we don't need another card that destroys all monsters and this card only destroys the opponent's monsters.
 
| Never
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Snatch Steal]]
 
| Too powerful, near permanent control. Opponent's LP gain can be offset by stealing a strong monster and consistently attacking with it, or by Tributing or Synchro Summoning with the target. Searchable and reusable via [[Hidden Armory]].
 
| Very Low
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[The Forceful Sentry]]
 
| A [[Confiscation]] (above) with no cost. Returns the card to the deck and not Discard to the Graveyard. Having a card in the Graveyard is usually considered to be better that having it in the Deck.
 
| Never
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Crush Card Virus]]
 
| Kills almost everything for 3 turns, and covers both the field, hand, and future draws. Can even be combo'ed with [[Sangan]] or [[Plaguespreader Zombie]] or even [[Necro Gardna]] to utilise their effects.
 
| Very Low
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Exchange of the Spirit]]
 
| Really awesome in a [[Lightsworn]], [[Future Fusion]] [[Machine]]s/[[Worm]]s and [[Magical Merchant Turbo]] decks. Can also fuel an OTK by emptying the opponent's Deck on their very first turn.
 
| Very Low
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Imperial Order]]
 
| Powerful Spell lock via a [[Continuous Effect]]. You even have the option to lift the two-way Spell lock by not paying the cost. While [[Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8]] and [[Naturia Beast]] can do the same thing, these effects start a chain, allowing for a [[Counter Trap]] to negate these effects.
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Last Turn]]
 
| The instant win is guaranteed when you control [[Jowgen the Spiritualist|a monster that]] [[Vanity's Fiend|prevents your opponent]] [[Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo|from Special Summoning]].
 
| Never
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Ring of Destruction]]
 
| Destroys a monster + massive burn damage. Lethal when combined with cards like [[Barrel Behind the Door]] or [[Spell of Pain]]. Finishing move.
 
| Very Low
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Sixth Sense]]
 
| Banned so that psychics can't cheat, jk. This is potentially one of the strongest forms of draw power, being able to draw up to 6 cards from one effect. The drawback is also potentially beneficial, especially with more Graveyard-reliant Decks.
 
| Never
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Time Seal]]
 
| Forces the opponent to skip a draw phase, which is lethal when they are topdecking.
 
| -
 
|-
 
! style="font-size: 150%; background-color:black;" colspan=3 class="mainheader" |[[Limited|<span style="color:white;">Limited</span>]]
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind]]
 
| Can be Special Summoned. A reusable permanent [[Shrink]]. Universal Tuner.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"
 
| [[Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier]]
 
| Epic effect, can be used more than once per turn, can clear field by itself. Sets up Graveyard.
 
| =, Low chance of ↑
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Card Trooper]]
 
| Can be a good beatstick for 1 turn. Sets up the Graveyard for many decks. When it dies, you draw 1, so no advantage lost. [[Machine Duplication]] can be used, so at max, it can be at 2. It probably wouldn't go to 3.
 
| =, Low chance of ↓
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Dark Armed Dragon]]
 
| Can be Special Summoned easily. Specific destructive power. High ATK. See [[Dark Armed Return]] and [[Teleport Dark Armed]].
 
| =, Low chance of ↑
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Elemental Hero Stratos]]
 
| Searcher that triggers on Normal or Special Summon, and can search himself. Has decent ATK. You basically lose no advantage playing this card. Easily searched by other cards, such as [[E - Emergency Call]] and [[Reinforcement of the Army]]
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Exodia the Forbidden One]]
 
| rowspan="5" | With more draw cards coming out, and more stall cards coming out...<br>Although unlikely, if 1 of the pieces becomes Forbidden, then the other 4 can be unlimited.
 
| rowspan="5" | =, Very Low chance of ↑
 
|- style="background-color:#FDE68A;"
 
| [[Left Arm of the Forbidden One]]
 
|- style="background-color:#FDE68A;"
 
| [[Left Leg of the Forbidden One]]
 
|- style="background-color:#FDE68A;"
 
| [[Right Arm of the Forbidden One]]
 
|- style="background-color:#FDE68A;"
 
| [[Right Leg of the Forbidden One]]
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Gladiator Beast Bestiari]]
 
| Required to Summon [[Gladiator Beast Gyzarus]], and also as a key means of S/T removal. Limiting this will solve both problems.
 
| =, Very Low chance of ↓
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Gorz the Emissary of Darkness]]
 
| Stops OTKs <u>AND</u> Special Summons a good Token.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"
 
| [[Goyo Guardian]]
 
| Very high ATK for a level 6. Good effect.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner]]
 
| Easy effect that special summons a "[[Lightsworn]]" monster from the graveyard. Gives uses to cards that are useless in the hand (e.g. [[Wulf, Lightsworn Beast]]). Nice mill effect. Can Special Summon another copy of herself, so on the next turn you can use both their effects and she can be protected by Honest while you do that.
 
| Low chance of ↓
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Marshmallon]]
 
| Relatively hard to kill. Instantly inflicts 1000 damage, which is quite a lot.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Mezuki]]
 
| As if [[Zombie]]s didn't have enough revival power.
 
| =, Very Low chance of ↓
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Mind Master]]
 
| There's a [[Card Tips:Brain Research Lab|Mind Master OTK]]. It's similar to Substitoad (which is Forbidden), except you take damage each time (or you need 1 more card to bypass it), and Psychics don't have a [[Ronintoadin]] to abuse yet (A new card, [[Calm, Silent Gusta]] may be abused with this card).
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Morphing Jar]]
 
| High draw power. Sets up Graveyard. However, the opponent can also abuse this.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Necroface]]
 
| [[Necromill OTK]]
 
| =, Very Low chance of ↓
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Necro Gardna]]
 
| Abusable in [[Lightsworns]], and with [[Burial from a Different Dimension]] (however, this is also Limited).
 
| =, Chance of ↓
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Neo-Spacian Grand Mole]]
 
| Can create locks. Easily takes out [[Synchro]], [[Fusion]] and [[Ritual]] Monsters.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Night Assailant]]
 
| Must be at 1 otherwise this card will just search for the other one and a loop will be created
 
| =, definitely
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Plaguespreader Zombie]]
 
| Top decks a card ([[Infernity Archfiend]] anyone?). Universal Tuner.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Sangan]]
 
| Universal searcher.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Spirit Reaper]]
 
| Relatively hard to kill. Its other effects are also great.
 
| =, Very Low chance of ↓
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Summoner Monk]]
 
| Monk → Monk → Cat = Pwn, but with Monk at 1 and Cat now Forbidden, this combo doesn't work any more. He's a Spellcaster, so [[Arcanite Magician]] can be Synchro Summoned.
 
| Chance of ↓
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Tragoedia]]
 
| Stops OTK <u>AND</u> has other good effects.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"
 
| [[Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier]]
 
| Instant triple card removal; including from the hand. A few decks could do Triple Trish combo, when they pull it off (quite easily in Frogs and Infernities) then they've basically won. However, those decks have been hit in other ways as well, so they can't do Triple Trish any more.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Advanced Ritual Art]]
 
| See [[Heralds#Happy_Heralds|Heralds]] combo and [[Demise/Doom OTK]] decks.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Allure of Darkness]]
 
| The most splashable draw card since Pot of Greed.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Black Whirlwind]]
 
| Fairly similar to the Forbidden card [[Card of Safe Return]]. Gives major Hand Advantage to [[Blackwing]] decks. [[Kalut]] Stacking >_>
 
| =, Very Low chance of ↓
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Burial from a Different Dimension]]
 
| Can abuse cards like Mezuki, Plaguespreader Zombie, Necro Gardna, [[Blackwing - Vayu the Emblem of Honor]], etc.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Card Destruction]]
 
| Sets up your Hand and possibly Graveyard. Can mess up, or help out with, the opponent's Hand, but can also set up their Graveyard. Works very well with [[Dark World]] and [[Fabled]].
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Charge of the Light Brigade]]
 
| It's like [[Reinforcements of the Army|RotA]], but for Lightsworns, and it also mills.
 
| =, Very Low chance of ↓
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Cold Wave]]
 
| Freezes backrow for a fairly long time. Preparations for an OTK.
 
| =, Low chance of ↑
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Dark Hole]]
 
| Fairly Powerful and with no cost, but then again, [[Starlight Road]] makes it harder to play.
 
| =, Low chance of ↑
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Destiny Draw]]
 
| Works very well with [[Destiny Hero - Malicious]]. Was a semi-universal draw engine, however not used as much now.
 
| Chance of ↓
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Emergency Teleport]]
 
| See Mind Master (above). Also, Special Summons a Tuner for a quick Synchro Summon.
 
| =, Low chance of ↓
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Foolish Burial]]
 
| Lots of decks rely on the Graveyard a lot. Works well with [[Wulf, Lightsworn Beast]], [[Plaguespreader Zombie]], etc.
 
| =, Low chance of ↓
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Future Fusion]]
 
| Gives Fusion Monsters a chance. However it can be abused and used as a Foolish Burial x(2+). It can also OTK with Overload Fusion, but that's also Limited.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Giant Trunade]]
 
| Clears back field and prepares for OTK. Not as potent as Heavy Storm as the S/Ts can be re-Set by your opponent on the next turn, though it also allows you to re-Set your S/T defense after its use as well.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Infernity Launcher]]
 
| It may seem like a +1, but with [[Infernity Archfiend]], a very deadly +lots loop can be made.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Level Limit - Area B]]
 
| Excellent stalling device for no cost, effectively locking out most Decks that use lots of high-level monsters.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Limiter Removal]]
 
| Easy OTK in [[Machine]] decks.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Megamorph]]
 
| Doubling original ATK can be a lot, sometimes enough to OTK. The drawback of halving when you have more LPs isn't too bad either as you can equip it to your opponent's monsters.
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Mind Control]]
 
| Similar to Brain Control, but for Synchro Summoning / Effect uses only.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Monster Gate]]
 
| Was used a lot by Turbo and OTK decks.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Monster Reborn]]
 
| Fast. No cost. Special Summon from either Graveyard. Further punishes the opponent if you manage to destroy a strong monster they control (e.g. [[Gladiator Beast Gyzarus]]).
 
| =, Low chance of ↑
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[One for One]]
 
| Mind Master OTK and Frog OTK decks use this a lot. If some of those cards become Forbidden, then this could come back to assist some of the weaker archetypes such as [[Morphtronics]] and [[Fortune Ladies]].
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Overload Fusion]]
 
| [[Chimeratech Overdragon]]. nuff said.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Reasoning]]
 
| Was used a lot by Turbo and OTK decks. Free Monster or easily dumps Monster to Graveyard, both can be beneficial.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Reinforcement of the Army]]
 
| This card adds additional speed to [[Lightsworns]], however [[Warriors]] need this back, so hitting [[Honest]] and [[Charge of the Light Brigade]] would be so much fairer than hitting this.
 
| Chance of ↓
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Scapegoat]]
 
| Stalls quite a bit. However, there are more cards that [[Pierce]] now. Easy Synchro Material. Was part of the [[Goat Control]] deck.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Swords of Revealing Light]]
 
| Stalls for quite a long time. You can still attack while the opponent cannot.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Call of the Haunted]]
 
| Must fairer speed when compared to its Spell counterparts. Can't be abused multiple times per turn (unlike [[Premature Burial]]). Can only special summon from your own graveyard (unlike [[Monster Reborn]]).
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Ceasefire]]
 
| In the right conditions, it can inflict major burn damage. Finishing move.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Gravity Bind]]
 
| Stalls a lot. See also Level Limit - Area B.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Return from the Different Dimension]]
 
| OTK decks use this. If you Special Summon [[Jinzo]], along with many strong monsters, then you've basically won.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Magical Explosion]]
 
| See [[Magical Explosion FTK]]
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Mind Crush]]
 
| 1 for 1 card. You don't really need to be a psychic to use this card. "''[[Salvage]]/[[Dark Factory of Mass Production]], [[Sangan]], [[Gold Sarcophagus]], [[Machina Gearframe]], [[Gadgets]], etc. Allows you to know what card they have. Also, this card owns [[Ritual]] Monsters, when the activate their [[Ritual Spell Card]], chain this and call the name of their Monster; a 2 for 1.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Mirror Force]]
 
| Solid game changer. However, now that [[Starlight Road]] is out, you need to be more careful when using this card.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Royal Oppression]]
 
| 1 card to <u>continuously</u> stop a large amount of cards. Some decks abuse the fact that it cannot be used in the [[Damage Step]]. [[Blackwing]]s can use this card in their deck fairly well. Quite a few [[X-Saber]] decks run it because they can, and it generally stops the opponent more.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Solemn Judgment]]
 
| Halving your LPs to activate a card is very fair (If you're winning, you pay more; if you're losing, you pay less), but to negate basically anything...
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[The Transmigration Prophecy]]
 
| OCG stall decks use this with [[D.D. Borderline]]. Also, it must be at 1 otherwise this card will just return another copy of itself and a loop will be created. [[Pot of Benevolence]] does the same thing, but that can't be chained to an effect, and that removes itself so it can't return another copy of itself.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Torrential Tribute]]
 
| Same as Mirror Force (above)
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Trap Dustshoot]]
 
| Although it's like [[Confiscation]] or [[The Forceful Sentry]] (above), it is a trap, so it's slower. It also has a restriction, so you can only use it if the opponent has a fair amount of [[Hand Advantage]].
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Wall of Revealing Light]]
 
| Facing three in an Exodia Deck with LP recovery would be a real pain. It should stay Limited unless we get more bounce/destroy cards. See also: [[Magical Explosion FTK]].
 
| =
 
|-
 
! style="font-size: 150%; background-color:black;" colspan=3 class="mainheader" |[[Semi-Limited|<span style="color:white;">Semi-Limited</span>]]
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Chaos Sorcerer]]
 
| Can be Special Summoned easily, good effect. However, relatively low ATK.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Dandylion]]
 
| Compulsory effect. Gives lots of advantage most of the time. Re-usable in many decks. However, there are more cards that Pierce now.
 
| Chance of ↑
 
|- style="background-color:#6666FF;"
 
| [[Demise, King of Armageddon]]
 
| See [[Demise/Doom OTK]].
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Destiny Hero - Malicious]]
 
| His effect can't be used if at 1. If at 3, the advantages will be too high (especially with Synchro Summons) so...
 
| =, almost certain
 
|- style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"
 
| [[Dewloren, Tiger King of the Ice Barrier]]
 
| There's a loop with [[Symbol of Heritage]] and [[Mass Driver]]; if you have 3 Dewloren's in the Graveyard. So this card must be at 2 to prevent that.
 
| =, unless Mass Driver gets hit
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Honest]]
 
| Very good effect. It basically deals lots of battle damage to the opponent while destroying the opponent's monster. Easily reused with Beckoning Light.
 
| =, Chance of ↑
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Judgment Dragon]]
 
| Can be Special Summoned easily. Low cost to nuke the Field except itself. 3000 ATK. Double JD is just broken, especially when they can be returned to your hand with Beckoning Light.
 
| =, Chance of ↑
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Lonefire Blossom]]
 
| Search and Special Summon ANY plant; this includes Tuners, [[Mystic Tomato]], [[Tytannial, Princess of Camellias]], etc. With the new [[Naturia]] cards, this card will most likely stay at 2.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Snipe Hunter]]
 
| Formerly abused in Gadget Decks due to massive hand advantage to fuel its effect. Now off the Limited status due to lack of use in Decks.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Chain Strike]]
 
| Key card of Chain Burn decks such as [[Burn#Chain_Strike_OTK|Chain Strike OTK]].
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Gold Sarcophagus]]
 
| Adds any card from your deck to your Hand. Removes the card face-up. However takes 2 turns before the card actually gets to your Hand, which is rather slow.
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Magical Stone Excavation]]
 
| Allows quick reuse of major Spell Cards. Its heavy cost is often circumvented in [[Diamond Dude Turbo]] Decks.
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Mystical Space Typhoon]]
 
| Fast. Staple. 1 for 1 card. Moved from the Limited List to offset the banning of Heavy Storm.
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Bottomless Trap Hole]]
 
| Very powerful 1 for 1 card. Removes the monster upon Summon. Staple.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Magic Cylinder]]
 
| Negates an attack and inflicts major burn damage. Finishing move. Moved off the Limited List, perhaps, to discourage OTKs via a monster with high ATK.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Ojama Trio]]
 
| Clogs the field with nigh-unuseable Tokens, though if a Tuner is present they can be removed via a [[Synchro Summon]].
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Skill Drain]]
 
| 1 card to <u>continuously</u> stop a large amount of cards. Works well with cards such as [[Beast King Barbaros]]. See also: [[Skill Drain Deck]]
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Ultimate Offering]]
 
| [[Gadget]], Gadget, Gadget, [[Beast King Barbaros|Barbaros]], [http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/badgers Gadget, Gadget, Gadget, Gadget, OTK! or Gadget, Gadget, Gadget... Limiter Removal, OTK!] Alternatively, it can be used in [[Gemini]] Decks; such as [[Gigaplant OTK]].
 
| -
 
|-
 
! style="font-size: 150%; background-color:black;" colspan=3 class="mainheader" |[[Unlimited|<span style="color:white;">Unlimited</span>]]
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Abyss Soldier]]
 
| Semi Limited from April '05 to Sept '05 due to its abuse with [[Sinister Serpent]], allowing free bouncing, once per turn. After Sinister Serpent got Forbidden, this came off the list.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Apprentice Magician]]
 
| With [[Magician of Faith]] limited, people used this card to search her. Nephthys Decks also used her to search [[Hand of Nephthys]] to quickly summon [[Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys]]. Then this card came off as Magician of Faith became banned. The Apprentice Magician / [[Old Vindictive Magician]] [[Monarch]] combo didn't really contribute to it's initial semi-limitation.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#CCCCCC;"
 
| [[Black Rose Dragon]]
 
| Universal Nuke. See also, [[Debris-Hime]] deck.
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Breaker the Magical Warrior]]
 
| Back when it was banned/limited, +1 cards were overpowered, Breaker lets you destroy a card almost for free and you'll still have a monster; or you could leave it as a 1900 Beatstick which is quite a lot at the time.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Cyber Dragon]]
 
| Can be Special Summoned easily. Good ATK. Usable in many decks. However, there are increasing amounts of new decks that can Special Summon "a bunch of monsters in one turn", so older decks need this. Also, the opponent can use [[Chimeratech Fortress Dragon]] against you if you're using machines as well (e.g. Morphtronics, Salvo, Gadgets).
 
| =, Low chance of ↑
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[D.D. Assailant]]
 
| Back when this was initially hit, [[Warrior#Warrior_Toolbox_Deck|Warrior Toolbox]] decks were Tier 1.
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[D.D. Warrior Lady]]
 
| Same as D.D. Assailant (above). Also, this card had the option of removing the monster, or not to remove the monster. This card also doesn't need to be destroyed by battle to remove the opponent's monster, just battling it will do, hence why this came off the list a while after Assailant.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Exiled Force]]
 
| Same as D.D. Assailant (above).
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Goblin Zombie]]
 
| Very good searcher. In a Zombie deck, it can be more abuseable than Sangan or Witch of the Black Forest because of their revival power. Not many people would use 3 anyways.
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Green Baboon]]
 
| Before, it was allowed to be Special Summoned when a Beast was destroyed by battle or by a card effect. This was rather good with a relatively low cost for high ATK. Now, they changed the ruling and it can't be used during the Damage Step, so destroying by battle won't Trigger its effect.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Injection Fairy Lily]]
 
| She was considered to be too fast and too strong for the format at the time. Now there are decks other than beatdown types, so this came off.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Jinzo]]
 
| Very popular early in the game's history since the game was slow enough to allow for monsters to be Tribute Summoned. Then the metagame picked up speed, where Special Summons became more favourable, and Jinzo dwindled in popularity due to both [[Royal Decree]] and presence of better monsters to Special Summon. [[Naturia Bamboo Shoot]] is also a Tribute monster, but it also stops Spells and not just Traps, although it is less spashable.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Manticore of Darkness]]
 
| There is an OTK with this card (but it's too inconsistent with the current format), and it worked well with [[Card of Safe Return]] (now banned).
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Marauding Captain]]
 
| Same as D.D. Assailant (above).
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Dark Scorpion - Chick the Yellow]]
 
| This + [[Makyura the Destructor|Makyura]] + [[Call of the Haunted]] = OTK, but Makyura is now banned and this card is bad.
 
| =, certain
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Mask of Darkness]]
 
| Well, Royal Oppression became Limited when this became Unlimited, not that anyone was using this card anyway.
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Morphing Jar 2]]
 
| A very potent field-disrupter, freezing the battle phase and eating up [[Nomi]]s and [[Tribute]] monsters the moment it was flipped. This is probably why it was Semi, until '05 when destroying monsters with effects became more popular than battle, giving a very good way to circumvent its [[Flip Effect]]. It probably disappeared off the meta then, and so went back to unlimited.
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Protector of the Sanctuary]]
 
| Formerly abused with things like [[Time Seal]] and [[Yata-Garasu]] as an additional layer of insurance for such a lock since the opponent could only break the lock by drawing with a card effect. Time Seal and Yata-Garasu soon got banned, leaving no reason to limit Protector of the Sanctuary.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Raiza the Storm Monarch]]
 
| Raiza was overused in Monarch decks, and that was Tier 1. Caius was released, along with other faster decks so this was let off. Caius is now considered to be better anyways.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Reflect Bounder]]
 
| At the time they limited this, [[Chaos]] decks were Tier 1. The [[Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning|Env]][[Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End|oys]] were also banned as this time, but they realised that this didn't really need to be hit as hitting the Envoys were enough, so this later this came off.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys]]
 
| At the time when it was Limited, destruction by effects were the metagame, especially with Gadget Decks using this to its fullest. Nephthys could come back persistently, destroying backrow at the same time. Then the metagame picked up speed with both Chainable Traps and Removal Decks becoming more popular, and use of Nephthys died down.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Twin-Headed Behemoth]]
 
| [[Monarch]] decks used to run 3 at the time, keeping a monster to Tribute on the field whether it was destroyed by battle or by a card effect. Then a new ruling was made: "''The effect of "Twin-Headed Behemoth" can only be used ONCE throughout the entirety of the Duel. Even if your Deck includes three copies of the card, between those three copies the effect can only be used once, not once each.''" This card became unlimited after that ruling was released, and Monarchs then received [[Treeborn Frog]] and that replaced this card, even if the ruling wasn't made.
 
| =, certain
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Treeborn Frog]]
 
| Yes it's a free Tribute, but you can only activate 1 anyway. So limiting isn't going to do much. Semi-Limit is still OK because the new removal cards tend to remove 2 at once.
 
| =, Low chance of ↑
 
|- style="background-color:#FF8B53;"
 
| [[Vampire Lord]]
 
| See Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys (above).
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Fissure]]
 
| A 'one for one' card that was rarely used outside of Gadget decks, and faster decks that could cope were made, so this came off.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Lightning Vortex]]
 
| Limited due to abuse with [[Sinister Serpent]] for cheap frying of the opponent's face-up monsters. It still saw some abuse since there were 2 [[Night Assailant]]s still on the list. It finally came off the Limited status after Night Assailant hit 1 on the next list.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Pot of Avarice]]
 
| Seems to be really good in certain decks, recycling cards like Rescue Cat (now banned). Also, back then, decks were slow, so this card was widely used. However, decks only use 1 or 2 for consistency purposes anyway; unless it was a Cat Synchro deck, that usually ran 3 (but Cat's banned as mentioned earlier). The format is now much faster, with decks that want to keep the monsters in the graveyard for revival.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Smashing Ground]]
 
| [[Fissure]] became Unlimited in the format before this came down, so this followed.
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[United We Stand]]
 
| Yes it makes monsters into bigger beatsticks, but with so many cards to stop it... (e.g. [[Book of Moon]], [[Dimensional Prison]], etc.)
 
| -
 
|- style="background-color:#1D9E74;"
 
| [[Upstart Goblin]]
 
| Back then, [[Exodia_OTK#Makyura.27s_Exodia|Makyura Exodia]] decks were everywhere. Then they realised that Makyura was the thing that needed to be banned.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Drop Off]]
 
| This got limited at the same time Time Seal initially got banned. Then they realised that stopping a Draw is completely different than discarding the drawn card, with decks which use the graveyard more often, and being a 'one for one' card, this came off.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Good Goblin Housekeeping]]
 
| Back then, this Draw power was extremely good. It's bad now.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Reckless Greed]]
 
| People wanted to stack these cards together... then was unlimited again when fair shuffling techniques were enforced. JK, see why Upstart Goblin (above) was limited.
 
| =
 
|- style="background-color:#BC5A84;"
 
| [[Royal Decree]]
 
| 1 card to <u>continuously</u> stop a large amount of cards. Works well in [[Herald]] decks to prevent the activation of [[Counter Trap Cards]].
 
| -
 
|}
 
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: And for those who are wondering. No, I didn't make this list recently. It been on 2 other forums before. This is the most updated version of it as the other 2 aren't being updated.
 
: And for those who are wondering. No, I didn't make this list recently. It been on 2 other forums before. This is the most updated version of it as the other 2 aren't being updated.
 
:: See also: [[Historic Forbidden/Limited Chart]]. {{User:Falzar_FZ/Sig}} 07:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)<br>
 
:: See also: [[Historic Forbidden/Limited Chart]]. {{User:Falzar_FZ/Sig}} 07:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)<br>
  
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* Adding reasons for cards that were unlimited from past formats (before March 10). <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 06:59, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Discussion ==
 
 
 
=== Before March 2010 ===
 
 
 
: Thought I'd add a few reasons to the cards that were unlimited before March 2010.
 
* [[Abyss Soldier]]
 
* [[Exiled Force]]
 
* [[Jinzo]]
 
* [[Lightning Vortex]]
 
* [[Morphing Jar #2]]
 
* [[Protector of the Sanctuary]]
 
* [[Vampire Lord]]
 
* [[Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys]]
 
: This is a list of the cards which I wasn't sure about, so if anyone has any ideas on these (or any that I missed), feel free to post in this section. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 06:59, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
#[[Abyss Soldier]] was Semi'd from April '05 to Sept '05 due to its abuse with [[Sinister Serpent]], allowing infinite bouncing once each turn. After Sinister Serpent got Forbidden, Abyss Soldier possibly dwindled in use, and came back to Unlimited.
 
#[[Exiled Force]] was a very useful tool in the Warrior Toolbox. As the popularity of the Toolbox dwindled it eventually came off the list.
 
#[[Jinzo]] was popular early in the game's history since the game was slow enough to allow for monsters to be Tribute Summoned. Then the metagame picked up speed, where Special Summons became more favourable, and Jinzo dwindled in popularity due to both [[Royal Decree]] and presence of better monsters to Special Summon. Jinzo went back to unlimited possibly due to the Jinzo support popping up in [[Light of Destruction]], and possibly stayed unlimited since its change in status didn't affect its use.
 
#[[Lightning Vortex]] was Limited due to abuse with Sinister Serpent for cheap frying of the opponent's face-up monsters. It still saw some abuse since there were 2 [[Night Assailant]]s still on the list. It finally came off the Limited status after Night Assailant hit 1 on the next list.
 
#[[Morphing Jar 2]] was a very potent field-disrupter, freezing the battle phase and eating up Nomis and Tribute monsters the moment it was flipped. This is probably why it was Semi, until '05 when destroying monsters with effects became more popular than battle, giving a very good way to circumvent its Flip Effect. It probably disappeared off the meta then, and so went back to unlimited.
 
#[[Protector of the Sanctuary]] was formerly abused with things like [[Time Seal]] and [[Yata-Garasu]] as an additional layer of insurance for such a lock since the opponent could only break the lock by drawing with a card effect. Time Seal and Yata soon got banned, leaving no reason to limit Protector of the Sanctuary.
 
#[[Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys]] and its Decks were popular back in '06. Back then, destruction with effects were all the rage, and Sacred Phoenix was nigh-unkillable with destruction effects, providing a Heavy Storm effect each time they tried to kill it that way. Eventually, the metagame picked up its pacing with RFG and more chainable cards coming into fashion, and Nephthys dwindled in popularity. Should now explain why it's unlimited now. This should also explain [[Vampire Lord]] and Zombie Decks in that day.
 
That's the best I can come up with to explain the above cards. --[[User:Gadjiltron|Gadjiltron]] ([[User talk:Gadjiltron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gadjiltron|contribs]]) 11:55, October 5, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
: Nice. Adding. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 06:20, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
=== March 2010 ===
 
 
 
To start things off...<br>Why is [[Metamorphosis]] banned when [[Thousand-Eyes Restrict]] is also banned? Isn't that the main reason?<br>Did Konami ban Victory Dragon because they can? because there's something called [[surrender]]ing. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 05:48, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
:[[Metamorphosis]] can still summon some very strong Fusion Monsters easily. For [[Victory Dragon]], you have to understand that although you can surrender anytime during the duel in the TCG, you can only surrender starting from the 10th turn in the OCG so it still makes Victory Dragon very BROKEN.--<span style="background-color:LightCyan; border:4px ridge blue; -moz-border-radius:1em;">&nbsp;[[User:Hide Head Turtle|<span style="color:black;">'''HHTurtle'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Hide Head Turtle|'''Talk''']]</sup> &nbsp;</span> 06:09, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
::So since Metamorphosis is now banned, do you think they'll eventually take Thousand-Eyes Restrict off the banlist?--[[Special:Contributions/76.27.8.201|76.27.8.201]] ([[User talk:76.27.8.201|talk]]) 07:25, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
::: I highly doubt that it will come off the list. When used properly, it's better than [[Gravity Bind]] and [[Level Limit - Area B]]. I've added the combo above. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 07:43, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
::[[Metal Reflect Slime]] + [[Cyber End Dragon]].--[[User:Helix-king|Helix-king]] ([[User talk:Helix-king|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Helix-king|contribs]]) 15:41, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
::Fair enough. Adding + slight expansion on the topic. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 06:26, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
I'm right there with you on the Ojama Trio, RoTA, and Judgement Dragon bits for sure. Everything else I'm pretty neutral about though. [[User:Goblinpunch787|Goblinpunch787]]
 
 
 
: Good to hear that you don't specifically disagree to anything. This list is supposed to be something that almost everyone can generally agree on. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 11:57, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
I just noticed that each card has a reason next to it. nice! Thanks for those who contributed.<br> Now to do the "Chances" column. I would prefer it if no one changes this column (to prevent edit wars). Instead, please post below and discuss them. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 11:57, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
[[Ojama Trio]] is "not less limited" for good reason. The only way to turn Ojama Trio on it's head for general decks is to tune them, but when you don't have a tuner, it clogs your field to prevent swarming of any more than 2 monsters, and stops all kinds of other stuff. It's another OTK stopper, It makes Ojama Decks practically unstoppable, and there are also many ways to abuse it to ''create'' OTKs. I totally agree with pretty much everything else, entirely. Great list. [[User:NecrofearNorleras|NecrofearNorleras]] ([[User talk:NecrofearNorleras|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NecrofearNorleras|contribs]]) 14:55, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
: I agree with the guy above me. I'm not sure if you guys know of this but there was an annoying deck in the OCG when [[Ojama Trio]] was released. You activate [[Ground Collapse]] during your turn and then activate [[Ojama Trio]] during your opponent's turn, preferably during the Draw Phase or Standby Phase. This will cause your opponent to have no real use of their monster zones. It was really annoying and broken.--<span style="background-color:LightCyan; border:4px ridge blue; -moz-border-radius:1em;">&nbsp;[[User:Hide Head Turtle|<span style="color:black;">'''HHTurtle'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Hide Head Turtle|'''Talk''']]</sup> &nbsp;</span> 16:22, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
:: If you have a Tuner, can't you switch the token to ATK mode, suicide (with 0 ATK >.<), then summon a Tuner and Synchro for a level 5-8 monster? But still, I'll consider changing that a bit. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 21:50, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
There's something that shouldn't be there. Changing Decree, Oppression and Drain: = → - until it's further discussed. <br>Their strengths are too different. Oppression might be Limited, while the other 2 may stay imo. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 08:21, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Honestly, [[Victory Dragon]] ain't broken anymore, due to many removable - [[Fissure]], [[Smashing Ground]], [[Lightning Vortex]], [[Mirror Force]], [[Bottomless Trap Hole]], etc. So why is it stay on banlist, eh? Oh yes, no one playing Match duel when come to him. --[[User:FredCat100|FredCat100]] ([[User talk:FredCat100|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FredCat100|contribs]]) 19:01, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
:The problem with victory dragon is since they ALWAYS could possibly win the match, even if you won 2 of three, you must play the third game, since they could win the match still--[[User:Helix-king|Helix-king]] ([[User talk:Helix-king|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Helix-king|contribs]]) 15:45, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
=== September 2010 ===
 
 
 
* Updating and...
 
* Correct
 
:* Brain Control - It was on chance on going up, which was right.
 
:* Rescue Cat - up, which was right.
 
:* Monster Reborn - low chance of coming down, right.
 
:* Dark Hole - low chance of coming down, right.
 
:* Royal Oppression - I knew this was going up, which is why I split the cont. trap trio
 
:* Mystical Space Typhoon - chance of coming down, right.
 
:* Chaos Sorcerer - chance of coming down, right.
 
:* Ojama Trio - chance of coming down, right.
 
:* Goblin Zombie - was on my prediction list for March, a bit late, but I was right.
 
:* Treeborn Frog - Well, I did say read the card.
 
:* United We Stand - I kinda knew this, with the list of so many ways to stop it.
 
* Incorrect
 
:* Magic Cylinder
 
:* Black Rose Dragon
 
:* Cyber Dragon
 
:* Heavy Storm
 
* Not Predicted
 
:* Black Whirlwind
 
:* Snipe Hunter
 
:* Royal Decree
 
* New
 
:* Substitoad
 
:* Infernity Launcher
 
:* Trishula
 
* Seems like this list is pretty accurate xD <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 13:34, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
 
 
You should update harpie's feather duster and Change of heart in your list since they say that heavy storm and Brain control are still limited.  [[User:Jensc|Jens]] ([[User talk:Jensc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jensc|contribs]]) 18:47, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
: Thanks for letting me know. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 22:36, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
Corrected position of Ultimate Offering and Skill Drain. --[[User:Gadjiltron|Gadjiltron]] ([[User talk:Gadjiltron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gadjiltron|contribs]]) 14:28, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
Actually, it was right before. [http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/limited/ Ultimate Offering and Skill Drain] are still Semi. Only Decree went to Unlimited. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 23:20, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 
: (struck my elbow on Falzar's chest) don't forget that Royal ''Oppression'' is limited, so to not confused it with Decree.. --<span style="font-family: 'Bookman Old Style';">[[User:FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="3">F</font><font size="2">red</font><font size="3">C</font><font size="2">at</font></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:FredCat100|T.P.]] • [[User:FredCat100/friends|F.R.]] • [[User:FredCat100/Ruling List|J.R.]] • [[User:FredCat100/Disambiguation/Memoir_(disambiguation)|W.S.]]</sup></span> 23:28, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
 
:Ah. My bad, then. I've read the wrong parts of the card articles. --[[User:Gadjiltron|Gadjiltron]] ([[User talk:Gadjiltron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gadjiltron|contribs]])
 
 
 
[[Special:Contributions/187.139.220.27|187.139.220.27]] ([[User talk:187.139.220.27|talk]]) 21:16, August 30, 2010 (UTC)solemn judment should be un limited or semi limited in my opinion because it cost a lot of life points and it can give a lot of play for many forgotten and unplayable decks (itsus,union not vwxyz,billy decks, princess pikeru etc...)
 
 
 
Very nice page, although someone forgot to change the bg colour for CCV and Exchange of the Spirit. Fixed now. --[[User:Hozu|Hozu]] ([[User talk:Hozu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hozu|contribs]]) 21:48, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
The Dark Magician of Chaos part says "Monster Reborn is also forbidden". Remember that it is now limited [[Special:Contributions/186.4.40.87|186.4.40.87]] ([[User talk:186.4.40.87|talk]]) 05:22, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
: Yes, I'll fix that right now. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 05:29, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
Also as [[Rescue Cat]] is now forbidden you should change the description of [[Summoner Monk]]    --[[User:ME!!!!!!!!!!|ME!!!!!!!!!!]] ([[User talk:ME!!!!!!!!!!|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ME!!!!!!!!!!|contribs]]) 12:02, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
: Done. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 12:13, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
I think that [[Magician of Faith]] and <s>[[Imperial Iron Wall]]</s> [[Imperial Order]] should be changed to never. [[Magician of Faith]] creates an infinite loop with [[Book of Moon]] and [[Final Attack Orders]] and [[Royal Magical Library]]. [[Imperial Order]] creates an infinite loop with [[Axe of Foolishness]] and [[Jinzo]].  --[[User:Drew-Gi-Oh!|Drew-Gi-Oh!]] ([[User talk:Drew-Gi-Oh!|talk]]) 01:20, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
 
:Since when was [[Imperial Iron Wall|IIW]] on the Ban List???...[[User:BassNettoHikari2|BassNettoHikari2]]...[[User talk:BassNettoHikari2|Chat Page]]... 06:41, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
Hey FZ, you need to fix:
 
:*Brionac's color to white;
 
:*Cyber Dragon and Treeborn Frog can't go up, they're Unlimited;
 
:*Monster Reborn/Dark Hole/Dandylion's chances to = or "Low chance of ↓".
 
--[[User:Missign0|Missign0]] ([[User talk:Missign0|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missign0|contribs]]) 06:39, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
 
::Look at the order the list goes in. [[User:No One Special|No One Special]] ([[User talk:No One Special|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/No One Special|contribs]]) 01:26, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 
::: Fixed Brionac. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 05:10, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Breaker? ==
 
 
 
Where are the reasons for [[Breaker the Magical Warrior]] being banned and limited for a while? Just saying...
 
 
 
--Kageakumo 01:35, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
: Not all cards that were limited/banned before March 2010 were added, I'm slowly adding them in though. Breaker's added now. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 01:59, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
We're approaching March 2011. Maybe it's about time some more predictions were added? --[[User:Gadjiltron|Gadjiltron]] ([[User talk:Gadjiltron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gadjiltron|contribs]]) 10:09, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
 
: Imo, banlist predictions can go in their own threads in [[Forum:Yu-Gi-Oh! Lists Discussion]], just like how it was always done.
 
: I'm fine with the current 'Chance of going up/down the list' values. If anyone has a different opinion on then, then go ahead and point them out. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 11:00, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 

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This list is for the people who are curious about why certain cards are banned/limited.
This list can also assist people before posting a prediction on the next banlist.
Please help out by pointing out changes that should be made in the list (if any) (please include reasons).
And for those who are wondering. No, I didn't make this list recently. It been on 2 other forums before. This is the most updated version of it as the other 2 aren't being updated.
See also: Historic Forbidden/Limited Chart. --  Falzar FZ  talk page  useful stuff    07:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

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