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[[We want '''Mind master''' back to play as limited in 2014]]
 
 
The psychic deck is the thousands favorite and popular synchro deck in the word, but unfortunately it's not played in Tournaments because:
 
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* it's stell slow without "Mind master"
 
* weak without "Mnid master"
 
* Psychic deck known as OTK deck, but without Mind master,that's olmost never will happend.
 
* '''The level of decks playing become higher and higher every day because of new decks as buijin and evilswarme....'''
 
 
We want see Psychic deck in big tournaments and arrive to top 8, and without Mind master,i think is dificult or may be impossible.
 
 
Personnaly i playing psychic but always i feel something meesing, and i suggest "Mind master" and "Brain research lab" become limited to be fair .
 
 
Thousands of duelists wait for it come back in next ban list, so...
 
 
'''''''Let's duel'''''''
 
[[User:Kickboxer1988|Kickboxer1988]] ([[User talk:Kickboxer1988|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kickboxer1988|contribs]]) 17:32, March 3, 2014 (UTC)
 
==Morphing Jar #2==
 
Okay, I don't know if this is the best way to ask, but does anyone know why "[[Morphing Jar 2]]" got completely banned ([[April 2014 Lists (TCG)]])? It only seems to have gotten any use in the [[All-Out Attacks OTK]]. As far as I can see... --[[User:LordGeovanni|<span style="color:green;">LordGeovanni</span>]]- <span style="color:green;">([[User_talk:LordGeovanni|<span style="color:green;">Talk To Me</span>]]) *Kupo*</span> 07:51, March 25, 2014 (UTC)
 
:It's because it excavates a lot of cards at once, so it's broken in Sylvans, as well as clearing all the monsters off the field.  [[User:Sanokal K-T|Sanokal K-T]] ([[User talk:Sanokal K-T|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanokal K-T|contribs]]) 08:20, March 25, 2014 (UTC)
 
::The AOA-OTK appears to be the reason. Though it'd be more sensible to just ban [[All-Out Attacks]] due to the variations on the OTK.
 
::MJ2 doesn't interact well with Sylvans ignoring their high-Level monsters. Although it excavates them, they still need to be sent to the Graveyard for their excavate-and-mill effects to trigger. Any LV4 or lower Sylvan hit in this process is just Set on the field with no fanfare.
 
::The other possibility is that the banlist maker is bitter over Empty Jar. --[[User:Gadjiltron|Gadjiltron]] ([[User talk:Gadjiltron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gadjiltron|contribs]]) 09:10, March 25, 2014 (UTC)
 
:::I actually just found out that MJ23 got an errata. Originally, I was disappointed that it didn't change to"excavate" but I guess they changed their minds...? I thought only the cards that ended up in the [[Battle Pack 2: War of the Giants - Round 2]] set would be the cards that got errata'd? They really must have changed their minds because other cards got changed too.
 
:::As it is, I could ''possibly'' see MJ2 hit for that reason (Sylvans) but it doesn't make sense. [[User:Gadjiltron|Gadjiltron]] hit the nail on the head. I would have to have several monsters on the field when I then FLIP MJ2 in order to Shuffle my Deck and monsters and then possibly excavate some high level "Sylvans"? The Shuffle part would prevent stacking and then I have the whole "Hope and Pray" style? Not the best. Even then, the AOA-OTK is a stupid reason too. It relies on a restricted Deck as well as two monsters on the field (out of a max potential 4) with only Trap Monsters and Extra Deck monsters for backup (Trap Monsters and Extra Deck monsters don't count for the count of MJ2).
 
:::A bigger possibility (in my opinion) was something to do with [[Pendulum Summon]]ing. Maybe something where you summon 4 and then FLIP MJ2? Or maybe as a deterrent to MJ2 being the perfect solution to the opponent using Pendulum, but that should have been hit after the first format of Pendulum, not before it had a chance... --[[User:LordGeovanni|<span style="color:green;">LordGeovanni</span>]]- <span style="color:green;">([[User_talk:LordGeovanni|<span style="color:green;">Talk To Me</span>]]) *Kupo*</span> 11:26, March 25, 2014 (UTC)
 
::::And the "[[Jackpot 7]]" FTK/OTK. --[[User:Missign0|Missign0]] ([[User talk:Missign0|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missign0|contribs]]) 02:00, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
:::::Just what is the "Jackpot 7" FTK/OTK? I thought that used "[[Dark Scorpion Burglars]]", not MJ2... --[[User:LordGeovanni|<span style="color:green;">LordGeovanni</span>]]- <span style="color:green;">([[User_talk:LordGeovanni|<span style="color:green;">Talk To Me</span>]]) *Kupo*</span> 04:08, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
::::The Jackpot 7 OTK is a deck that trolled a few tournaments in the OCG before (like how Self-Destruct Button and Final Countdown got hit last format), it's an OTK where you set MJ2, use Creature Swap, have Macro/Banisher of the Light/Radiance on your field, and banish the Jackpot 7's from your deck to win. However, Jackpot 7 isn't TCG yet, I guess it's just a pre-emptive ban out of fear it would troll when it does become TCG...but banning Morphing Jar 2 for that reason, while unlimiting Primal Seed to allow for FTK's with Macro + Sparks, makes no sense to me. They're both inconsistent as heck, after all. [[User:Ninety-eight|Ninety-eight]] ([[User talk:Ninety-eight|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ninety-eight|contribs]]) 16:32, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
:::::There's no need for Macro/Banisher in this equation. Jackpot 7 only triggers if they banish themselves by their own effect, and do so if sent to the Graveyard by an opponent's card effect. --[[User:Gadjiltron|Gadjiltron]] ([[User talk:Gadjiltron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gadjiltron|contribs]]) 23:40, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
::::That is just silly, you would need to have a deck where you can get MJ2 on the field under the opponent's power (basically [[Creature Swap]] and nothing else) while they have a monster, then you need a monster to return to your Deck (if you kill MJ2, you will need another monsteron your field), then hope that you manage to mill through your deck past all three Jackpot 7s. Wouldn't the Dark Scorpion Burglars OTK be more consistent? I would assume that you would have to use 5 or less monsters just to be able to mill a good portion of your deck... And then you need to summon 2 monsters if you want to kill MJ2 by battle... or hope that their monster is in attack-position with 700 or less ATK... --[[User:LordGeovanni|<span style="color:green;">LordGeovanni</span>]]- <span style="color:green;">([[User_talk:LordGeovanni|<span style="color:green;">Talk To Me</span>]]) *Kupo*</span> 06:24, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
Or maybe it's because it's a Flip Effect Monster that removes every monster from the field. Like another certain Flip Effect Monster. [[User:Sanokal K-T|Sanokal K-T]] ([[User talk:Sanokal K-T|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanokal K-T|contribs]]) 06:41, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
 
:It is late for me, could you specify the monster you are describing? Not joking, I really am tired. Regardless, why insta-ban? Extra Deck monsters don't need to be replaced, they are just bounced. As such, it is quite often just "mill until 2 monsters are shown" ''or less'' after the field clearing. While it could help "Sylvan" out a little, their own Deck works better without it and its chaos. While the "return all monsters to the Deck" is quite useful, it is just as random for you as it is your opponent. Especially as a FLIP effect that most people know how to prevent anymore. (You can just "[[Forbidden Chalice]]" the monster). With all that is said, the card is a much better anti-OTK than many other cards out there. --[[User:LordGeovanni|<span style="color:green;">LordGeovanni</span>]]- <span style="color:green;">([[User_talk:LordGeovanni|<span style="color:green;">Talk To Me</span>]]) *Kupo*</span> 07:11, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
 
:I was alluding to "[[Cyber Jar]]". [[User:Sanokal K-T|Sanokal K-T]] ([[User talk:Sanokal K-T|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanokal K-T|contribs]]) 08:05, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
 
::(Done) As it is, "Cyber Jar" was a bit much itself. While it does affect all the monsters on the field, they are destroyed. This gives a chance for them to prevent their destruction (which is much easier to do than to stop an effect that returns them to the deck). Second, the monsters are in the Graveyard for simple resummon. Even the opponent doesn't need to worry about having to summon the monster the specific way for synchros or such. Finally, that card gave a lot of benefit to the owner. It was almost a draw 5 with a bonus Special Summon all the Level 4 and under. Very strong, especially for a deck that focused on Level 4 and under. Even better if you focused on Xyz Summoning monsters that revolve around the same Rank. Make it a FLIP monster deck and sprinkle some monsters like Penguin Soldier and you would have a strong deck that isn't even based on an archetype. Combine that with a few different archetypes and you would be gold. --[[User:LordGeovanni|<span style="color:green;">LordGeovanni</span>]]- <span style="color:green;">([[User_talk:LordGeovanni|<span style="color:green;">Talk To Me</span>]]) *Kupo*</span> 08:25, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
 

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This list is for the people who are curious about why certain cards are banned/limited.
This list can also assist people before posting a prediction on the next banlist.
Please help out by pointing out changes that should be made in the list (if any) (please include reasons).
And for those who are wondering. No, I didn't make this list recently. It been on 2 other forums before. This is the most updated version of it as the other 2 aren't being updated.
See also: Historic Forbidden/Limited Chart. --  Falzar FZ  talk page  useful stuff    07:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

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