Forum:List of cards to side in against common decks

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>	Can potentially cripple the deck continuously.
+	Can cripple, but that deck contains cards (or a strategy) to save themself.
-	Can work against.

List of cards to side in to cripple Meta decks
Contents
Meta	Blackwing Gladiator Beasts X-Saber Infernity Lightsworn Plants / Naturia Quickdraw Plants (Quickdraw DandyWarrior) Gadgets / Machina Gadget Monarchs Frognarchs Frogs Disaster Dragon / Hopeless Dragon Zombies Heralds
Themed	Scrap Dragunity Cyber Dragon OTK Six Samurai Fabled Fish Synchro OTK Batteryman Exodia OTK Evil Hero Dark Gaia OTK
Traditional Only	(Flamvell) Cat Synchro Frog Burn FTK
Card Name	Reason
Blackwing
+ Consecrated Light	Restricts basically every monster in this deck, however it can be bypassed by cards like Book of Moon, Smashing Ground, Fissure, Lightning Vortex, Icarus Attack, etc.
+ Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror	Restricts basically every monster in this deck, however it can be bypassed by cards like Icarus Attack, or they can just play by Swarm and Synchro without using Effects. It also doesn't stop Kalut.
- Trap Hole	Screws with their Black Whirlwind xD
- Compulsory Evacuation Device	Similar to Trap Hole (above), but also stops their Synchro Monsters.
- Blackwing - Sirocco the Dawn	Note how you can use the Opponent's Blackwings to power up your own Sirroco.
- Mind Crush	They search for cards quite a lot, use this after they search for something.
- Starlight Road	Stops Icarus Attack, Delta Crow - Anti Reverse, Dark Hole, Black Rose Dragon, etc.
- Nobleman of Extermination	Stops Icarus Attack, Delta Crow - Anti Reverse, Solemn Warning, Bottomless Trap Hole, etc.
- Seven Tools of the Bandit
- Trap Stun
- Lightning Vortex	They swarm a lot, but Dark Hole might be enough anyway. Just be sure you can stop/prevent Vayu afterwards.
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Gladiator Beasts
> Archlord Kristya	This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
> Royal Oppression
+ Corridor of Agony	It may seem like it would Cripple the deck, however it can be bypassed by cards like Dust Tornado. It also doesn't stop the Extra Deck monsters like Gyzarus.
+ Skill Drain	It may seem like it would Cripple the deck, however it can be bypassed by the Book of Moon combo.
+ G.B. Hunter	It may seem like it would Cripple the deck, however it can be bypassed by cards like Book of Moon and Smashing Ground.
+ Legendary Jujitsu Master	Stops the GB from tagging out. Top decks the monster. High DEF (No Non-Tribute Effect Monster GB can beat it by itself), however it can be bypassed by cards like Enemy Controller, Smashing Ground, Test Tiger and Gyzarus.
- Swallow Flip	Stops almost every Monster in this deck.
- Chivalry
- Solemn Warning	Stops every Monster in this deck. Works best against Gyzarus and Heraklinos, that way they stay in the Graveyard.
- Mirror of Oaths	It doesn't negate the Effect, but it does destroy the monster, and you draw 1 card so you don't lose card advantage.
- D.D. Warrior Lady	When attacked, she removes the monster that attacked. GBs generally run 1 Equeste, Bestiari, etc. and without that 1 monster, the deck would be hindered to a certain extent.
- Prohibition	Call Bestiari and they won't be able to destroy S/T cards at all since it stops both Bestiari and Gyzarus, however it can be bypassed by cards like Dust Tornado.
- Jowls of Dark Demise	Let the Opponent attack into this monster, Triggering it's Effect. Take control of the GB so they can't 'Tag-out'. This works even better if you have a GB in your own deck. That way, you can return your Opponent's GB that attacked to their deck to Summon your GB from your Deck. This strategy is used in a Mirror Match, but it works as a side strategy like this as well.
- Rafflesia Seduction
- Nobleman of Extermination	Hopefully you hit Chariot. Generally, after they add it with Equeste, they set it right away, so you know where it is.
- Dimensional Prison	This really annoys them when used correctly.
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X-Saber
> Archlord Kristya	This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
> Royal Oppression
+ Ancient Forest	This deck focuses on Battle, however it can be bypassed by cards like Saber Slash.
+ Macro Cosmos	This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard, however it can be bypassed by cards like Saber Slash.
+ Dimensional Fissure
+ Necrovalley
+ The End of Anubis
- Chain Disappearance	Removes all 3 XX-Saber Darksouls.
- Prohibition	Call XX-Saber Faultroll to hinders their general tactics.
- Gottoms' Emergency Call	Note how you can Special Summon from either player's Graveyard.
- Thunder King Rai-Oh	Stops their XX-Saber Darksoul, and stops their XX-Saber Gottoms/XX-Saber Hyunlei if they choose to Synchro Summon.
- D.D. Crow	This deck focuses on the Graveyard.
- Crevice Into the Different Dimension
- Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World	XX-Saber Gottoms/X-Saber Airbellum just got owned!
- Reign-Beaux, Overlord of Dark World
- Gemini Imps	It's more reliable that Goldd, but packs less of a punch, but you do draw 1 card as well.
- Trap Hole	Stopping the first monster would stop the swarm that comes with it.
- Hero's Rule 2	Negates and destroys cards like Gottom's E Call and Faultroll.
- Swallow Flip	Negates and destroys cards like Hyunlei, Ragigura, Wayne, etc.
- Starlight Road	Works really well against Hyunlei, however note that it may not always work against Saber Slash.
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Infernity
> Consecrated Light	Restricts basically every monster in this deck.
> Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror
> Royal Oppression	This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
> Archlord Kristya
> Thunder King Rai-Oh	The level 4 beatstick in this deck is 1800 ATK, it can't beat 1900 ATK. Stops Infernity Archfiend search. Can negate 1 Special Summon.
> Macro Cosmos	This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
> Dimensional Fissure
> Necrovalley
> The End of Anubis
> King Tiger Wanghu	Stops almost all their monsters. Works even better when used with Burden of the Mighty, that way, it can even stop Archfiend and Dark Grepher.
> Skill Drain	Stops Archfiend and Necromancer. That'll severely slow them down.
+ Chain Disappearance	Removes all 3 Infernity Mirage or Infernity Necromancer.
- Prohibition	Call Necromancer or Archfiend to hinder their general tactics.
- Swallow Flip	Stops Infernity Archfiend.
- Discord	This deck focuses heavily on Synchro Summons to OTK or gain field advantage.
- Grave of the Super Ancient Organism
- Dark Bribe	Negate's an S/T Effect, also makes them Draw 1 card so they won't be Handless.
- Dust Tornado	"Destroy Launcher as soon as it's activated, make your opponent a very sad person." It can also be used to stop a few of their Infernity Barriers.
- Effect Veiler	Stops the Archfiend, or leaves the opponent with an ATK position Necromancer.
- Compulsory Evacuation Device	When the opponent Special Summons Infernity Archfiend, return it to the hand and they cannot search for a card.
- Karma Cut	Removes copies of cards to hinder their Synchro Summon ability.
- D.D. Crow
- Crevice Into the Different Dimension
- Big Burn
- Hero's Rule 2	Negates and destroys cards like Necromancer and Launcher.
- Summon Limit	Greatly hinders their general tactics.
- Book of Eclipse	Flips monsters face-down so they can't Synchro Summon yet, at End Phase it makes them Draw to make them not Handless.
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Lightsworn
> Royal Oppression	This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
> Macro Cosmos	This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
> Dimensional Fissure
> Necrovalley
> The End of Anubis
> Light-Imprisoning Mirror	Restricts basically every monster in this deck, however it doesn't stop Honest's main effect.
- Skill Drain	Only if you think you can overpower their attacks; of if you're not affected by it, it would be similar to Light-Imprisoning Mirror.
- D.D. Crow	This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
- Big Burn
- Soul Release
- Crevice Into the Different Dimension
- My Body as a Shield	Stops Judgment Dragon, Celestia, Ryko (if it was Flip Summoned), etc.
- Starlight Road	Stops Judgment Dragon, Celestia, etc.
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Plants / Naturia
> Archlord Kristya	This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
> Macro Cosmos	This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
> Dimensional Fissure
> Zombie World	Restricts basically every monster in this deck, it also prevents the use of cards S/T like Wall of Thorns, Pollinosis, etc.
+ Chain Disappearance	Removes all 3 Naturia Pineapples, Debris Dragon, Quickdraw Synchron or both Dandylions.
- Book of Moon	Use this before they try to Synchro Summon and LOL at their ATK position Debris Dragon, Dandylion, etc.
- Necrovalley	This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard, however there aren't too many effects that Target the Graveyard. Gigaplant does not Target.
- The End of Anubis
- Crevice Into the Different Dimension	This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard, especially on whichever plant the deck is based upon. Common ones include Gigaplant, Dandylion, Lonefire Blossom.
- Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer
- D.D. Crow
- Big Burn
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Quickdraw Plants (Quickdraw DandyWarrior)
> Archlord Kristya	This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
> King Tiger Wanghu	This deck focuses on Summoning lots of weaklings and using them to Synchro Summon for a 'Big Guy'. This card prevents that from happening. Kills cards like Quickdraw Synchron, Dandylion & Fluff Tokens, Lonefire Blossom.
> Royal Oppression	Unlike the regular Plant deck. This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons that don't occur in the Damage Step.
> Macro Cosmos	This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
> Dimensional Fissure
> Necrovalley
> The End of Anubis
- Nobleman of Crossout	Instantly removes from play all copies of Ryko/Super-Nimble Mega Hamster/Gravekeeper's Spy/etc.
- Zombie World	Restricts a lot of the monsters in this deck.
- Crevice Into the Different Dimension	This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard, especially on whichever plant the deck is based upon. Common ones include Gigaplant, Dandylion, Lonefire Blossom.
- Chain Disappearance
- Karma Cut
- Big Burn
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Gadgets / Machina Gadget
> Skill Drain	This deck relies on their Effect when being Summoned to gain card advantage. Stops the Gadgets and Machina Gearframe from doing this.
+ King Tiger Wanghu	The monsters in this deck as mostly weak Gadgets. This card kills all Gadgets, however can be destroyed by cards like Smashing Ground, Fissure, etc.
+ Thunder King Rai-Oh	This deck relies on adding cards to their and from the Deck to gain card advantage, however can be destroyed by cards like Smashing Ground, Fissure, etc.
- Deck Devastation Virus	Kills all Gadgets for a while.
- System Down	Removes them from play all their monsters on both the field and Graveyard. It does not Destroy. It's hilarious when used at the right moment.
- Cyber Dragon	To be used with Chimeratech Fortress Dragon. It clears your opponent's monsters and allows you to gain a potentially strong monster. Works well against Machina Gadgets, but may not work as well against Gadget Oppression.
- Pulling the Rug	Works well against Machina Gearframe or the Gadgets.
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Monarchs
> By Order of the Emperor	This deck focuses heavily on their Effects.
> Skill Drain
> Zombie World	This deck focuses heavily on Tribute Summons.
> Mask of Restrict
- Pulling the Rug	Negates the effect and Destroys the monster.
- Intercept	Unlike Pulling the Rug, it doesn't Negate the effect, but you gain the monster/the Opponent loses a relatively strong monster.
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Frognarchs
> By Order of the Emperor	This deck focuses heavily on their Effects.
> Skill Drain
> Zombie World	This deck focuses heavily on Tribute Summons.
> Mask of Restrict
- Pulling the Rug	Negates the effect and Destroys the monster.
- Intercept	Unlike Pulling the Rug, it doesn't Negate the effect, but you gain the monster/the Opponent loses a relatively strong monster.
- Chain Disappearance	There goes all 3 Ronintoadins, Battle Fader, Treeborn Frog, etc.
- Crevice Into the Different Dimension	This deck can focus on certain cards in the graveyard (e.g. Treeborn Frog, Ronintoadin)
- D.D. Crow
- Chain Disappearance
- Karma Cut
- Deck Devastation Virus	No more frogs for you! xD
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Frogs
> King Tiger Wanghu	Destroys many of the monsters in Synchro builds, basically all monsters in Frog Driver FTK and the Tribute fodder for Frognarchs. However, it does not affect the Solid/Wetlands builds.
> Royal Oppression	This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
> Skill Drain	This deck focuses heavily on Effects.
- Possessed Dark Soul	Your 'Frog-Lock' is now my 'Frog-Lock'! (Dupe-Dupe and Sub-Dupe Locks)
- Deck Devastation Virus	No more frogs for you! xD
- Necrovalley	Stops Fishborg Blaster, Ronintoadin and Pot of Avarice, however instead of Synchro Summoning, they could use an alternate strategy and lock you down and attack directly or something.
- The End of Anubis
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Disaster Dragon / Hopeless Dragon
> Zombie World	This deck focuses heavily on having Dragon Type monsters. Stops cards like Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon and Stamping Destruction.
> Archlord Kristya	This deck focuses heavily on having Special Summoning monsters.
+ Royal Oppression	This deck focuses heavily on having Special Summoning monsters, however it can be bypassed by cards like Stamping Destruction.
+ Grave of the Super Ancient Organism	Many of the monsters in this deck are high level monsters and are Special Summoned by Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon, however it can be bypassed by cards like Stamping Destruction.
+ Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror	Works well against several key cards including Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon, however it can be bypassed by cards like Stamping Destruction.
	+ Prohibition
- Different Dimension Ground	Works well against Future Fusion, Foolish Burial, Trade-In, etc. To removal the strong monsters before they are sent to the graveyard for revival.
- Necrovalley	This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard, however there aren't too many effects that Target the Graveyard. Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon does not Target.
- The End of Anubis
- Macro Cosmos	This deck can focus on the Graveyard.
- Dimensional Fissure
- Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer
- D.D. Crow
- Electric Virus	Acts as a Brain Control, allowing you do get rid of a monster and then Synchro or Tribute it for one of your own.
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Zombies
> Archlord Kristya	This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
> Macro Cosmos	This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
> Dimensional Fissure
> Necrovalley
> The End of Anubis
+ Consecrated Light	Restricts quite a few monsters in this deck, however there are just as many EARTH monsters in this deck.
- Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer	This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
- D.D. Crow
- Big Burn
- Book of Life	If Zombie World is in play, you can use this card to revive a monster, then remove an important monster from the Opponent's Graveyard.
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Heralds
> Royal Oppression	This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons. Just get it out before Herald of Perfection is Summoned.
> Archlord Kristya
- Banisher of the Radiance	A Continuous Monster Effect, so Herald can't negate it. It prevents cards from being sent to the Graveyard for a cost, so Herald's effect can't be activated, allowing you to destroy Herald by following it up with a card like Smashing Ground.
- Prohibition	There are quite a few Herald decks that don't even main MST, and if you can call Herald before it comes out, they don't have much to play with afterwards.
- Light-Imprisoning Mirror	Just get this out before Herald of Perfection is able to be Summoned.
- Mind Crush	Chaining it to the Ritual Spell and Declare Herald of Perfection xD
- Divine Wrath	If you couldn't stop it before-hand, then use this, as it can't stop Spell Speed 3 cards.
- Volcanic Queen	Alternatively, you could just these to take Herald of Perfection out.
- Lava Golem
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List of cards to side in to cripple Common Themed decks
Card Name	Reason
Scrap
> Macro Cosmos	This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
> Dimensional Fissure
- Crevice into the Different Dimension
- Mind Crush	They search for cards quite a lot, use this after they search for something.
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Dragunity
> Macro Cosmos	This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
> Dimensional Fissure
> Zombie World	The deck relies on their Types being Dragon or Winged-Beast. It also replaces their field spell Dragon Canyon. However, be sure to have multiple copies of this card, as they also run multiple copies of Dragon Canyon and Terraforming.
- Necrovalley	Prevents effects which equip cards from the graveyard. It also replaces their field spell Dragon Canyon.
- Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer	Remove some of the monsters that they might equip from the graveyard. Common ones include Brandistock, Phalanx and Light and Darkness Dragon.
- D.D. Crow
- Crevice into the Different Dimension
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Cyber Dragon OTK
> Royal Oppression	Stops all their Fusions and Cyber Dragon.
- System Down	Removes them from play all their monsters on both the field and Graveyard. It does not Destroy. It's hilarious when used at the right moment.
- Cyber Dragon	To be used with Chimeratech Fortress Dragon. It clears your opponent's monsters and allows you to gain a potentially strong monster.
- Magic Cylinder	Works well against Power Bond, or just the regular Fusions.
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Six Samurai
> Gozen Match	This deck uses all Attributes, so this card would greatly hinder the deck.
- Warrior Elimination	No cost and destroys all your Opponent's monsters.
- Kinetic Soldier	All their monsters will be Warriors, who doesn't like a no tribute 3350 ATK monster?
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Fabled
> Macro Cosmos	Fabled cards need to be Discarded to the Graveyard.
> Dimensional Fissure
- Crevice Into the Different Dimension
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Fish Synchro OTK
> Royal Oppression	This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
- Eternal Drought (OCG Only)	No cost and Destroys all your Opponent's monsters.
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Batteryman
> Royal Oppression	This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
- Starlight Road	Works well against Batteryman Industrial Strength and Short Circuit.
- Zombie World	Stops Thunder support cards such as Judgement of Thunder. It will also prevent the use of Batteryman Industrial Strength's destruction effect.
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Exodia OTK
> Skill Drain	Most of these types of decks rely on Royal Magical Library, so stopping that would most likely stop their draw engine.
> Light-Imprisoning Mirror
> D.D. Designator	Exodia decks don't have cards that can return their pieces from the RFP zone, so if you're lucky enough (or if they Sarc'd a piece), then you've basically won.
- Thunder King Rai-Oh	Stops The White Stone of Legend, Sangan, Emissary of the Afterlife, Toon Table of Contents, etc.
- Protector of the Sanctuary	Stops any draw power they may use, such as Trade-In, Royal Magical Library, Super Rejuvenation, Cards of Consonance, Upstart Goblin, etc.
- Macro Cosmos	If they don't FTK you, these cards can mess their strategies up a bit; e.g. Broww, Huntsman of Dark World, Pot of Avarice, etc.
- Dimensional Fissure
- Effect Veiler	These are to stop the deck's FTK, it would be used against Royal Magical Library.
- Herald of Orange Light
- Hand Destruction	Quite a few Exodia decks don't use cards to return pieces to their hand and focus more on a FTK. These cards work well against those. Generally, Pot of Avarice, Backup Soldier, Dark Eruption and Dark Factory of Mass Production are the only cards to can use to return the pieces, so be sure to be prepared with another card of they actually do have those in their deck.
- Card Destruction
- Mind Crush
- Exchange	Now, this is hilarious. Grab a piece beforehand and then laugh when they get their 5th (now 4th) piece.
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Evil Hero Dark Gaia OTK
> Skill Drain	0 ATK Dark Gaia xD
- Macro Cosmos	This deck focuses quite a lot on the Graveyard with Dark Calling.
- Dimensional Fissure
- Zombie World	Stops Dark Calling which is more of a threat than Dark Fusion. However, it can't stop Dark Fusion.
- Necrovalley
- Effect Veiler	0 ATK Dark Gaia, however cannot be used on Dark Fusioned Gaia right away.
- Battle Fader	Ends Battle Phase, next turn Monarch or something.
- Honest	Dark Gaia just got owned.
- Crevice Into the Different Dimension	This deck focuses quite a lot on the Graveyard with Dark Calling.
- D.D. Crow
- Magic Cylinder	They won't even see what hit them.
- Dimension Wall
- Flip Flop Frog	Sends Dark Gaia back to the Extra Deck, since it's not a Flip Effect.
- Nightmare Penguin
- Amazoness Swords Woman	Set this, then hope they attack and activate the effect to switch this card to face-up attack mode. However, they'll probably learn after getting hit a few times, so be sure to have something else up your sleeve as well.
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Traditional Only
Card Name	Reason
(Flamvell) Cat Synchro
> Archlord Kristya	This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons.
> Macro Cosmos	This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard.
> Dimensional Fissure
> Necrovalley
> The End of Anubis
> Rivalry of Warlords	This deck uses a Variety of Types, so this card would hinder the deck.
- Nobleman of Crossout	Instantly removes from play all copies of Ryko/Super-Nimble Mega Hamster/Gravekeeper's Spy/etc.
- Discord	This deck focuses heavily on Synchro Summons to OTK or gain field advantage.
- Chivalry	Stops many monsters in this deck, including Flamvell Firedog, Super-Nimble Mega Hamster, X-Saber Airbellum, Gravekeeper's Spy, Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter, Sangan, etc.
- Solemn Warning	Stops many monsters in this deck, including Flamvell Firedog, Super-Nimble Mega Hamster, Gravekeeper's Spy, etc.
- Large Trap Hole	This may seem to be the key to stopping Rescue Cat once and for all; however, unlike Bottomless Trap Hole, this card sends the monsters to the Graveyard. That means, this card will instantly allow them to use Pot of Avarice, so it's a good idea to have cards like D.D. Crow ready to intercept it.
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Frog Burn FTK
	For this deck, I'll mainly list the things used to stop the actual FTK. For stopping the rest of the deck, see the Frognarchs and Frogs lists.
- Effect Veiler
- Hanewata
- D.D. Crow
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• This is based on the General/Basic builds of each deck.
• Also taking into account of the cards run in those decks (e.g. Gadgets run lots of Fissures and Smashing Grounds, so Thunder King Rai-Oh will not Cripple the deck) (e.g. Glads have tricks such as the Book of Moon trick against Skill Drain). However, this does not take into account of the opponent's Side Decks (e.g. ignores 3 Dust Tornados in their Side Deck).
• Ignoring Staples as they are not Side Deck material.
• If anyone would like to add (e.g. cards or top tier decks) or change things (e.g. move cards from cripple to works against) please post the ideas below.
• --  Falzar FZ  talk page  useful stuff    12:31, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

March 2010

Make sure to add Consecrated Light to the Zombie pile, and Mirror of Oaths, Jujitsu Master, and D.D. Warrior Lady to GBs. -bewk 23:07, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

I would not say that Zombies are crippled by Consecrated Light. Just summon Pyramid Turtle and poof. 67.101.29.130 02:20, April 28, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

Yea, my thoughts were all the Earth monsters in Zombies, so I didn't put it there. I'll add it to the "can work against" section though, and a few other things. Falzar FZ 05:51, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Monarchs are vunrable to Intercept, Monarchs & Disaster Dragon / Hopeless Dragon are vunrable to Zombie World, Zombies are annoyed by Book of Life / Zombie Master & Lightsworns are weak to Light-Imprisoning Mirror-RESK-193.62.251.50 12:54, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror against Blackwings and Infernities and there are people that side deck Blackwing - Sirocco the Dawn against Blackwings.--Hide Head Turtle 13:28, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

- For Intercept, they get to choose the targets for the effects first, but it still works since they lose the monster and you keep their monster.

> Zombie World owns REDMD so I suppose that cripples the deck.

- Book of Life is a bit situational, unless you have a Plague in your grave or if Zombie World is in play. Afterwards, it removes a Zombie so it works against them I guess.

Zombie Master just lets you grab more monsters, not much more than that, unless I missed something.

>, - For SIM, taking into account of those Icarus, etc. wait, that means Holy Light goes down to - as well.

- I've seen that done as well, since Sirroco powers up using the opponent's BWs.

Falzar FZ 13:56, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

By Order of the Emperor against Monarchs.--Hide Head Turtle 14:43, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Fiendish Chain and most Koa'ki Meiru cards can cripple almost any deck --Azure Knight-Zeo 20:18, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

- Corridor of Agony from The Shining Darkness cripples GBs pretty bad, as GBs from the deck cannot use their tag effects and cannot attack. Ascriptmaster 05:42, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Corridor of Agony is Corridor of Suffering, but thanks for reminding me to change it to the new name. Falzar FZ 05:45, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Would like to see counter frog strategies up there

Don't know how hot they will be but the potential is defninatly there for someone to create something wicked stupid with it.

I know that due to there special summoning mechanism alot of anti GB cards would be effective like Mirror of Oaths and along with the corridor card.

Don't know if there are really many cards that punish small monsters. Theres a few dragon ones but there really only usable if you have dragons. Steelfallenangel 21:28, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'll add a new section then. Falzar FZ 06:20, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Prohibition works vs most things, Infernity Archfiend/Catapult, Black Whirlwind, Gladiator Beast Bestiari, :Judgment Dragon, Dark Armed Dragon, XX-Saber Faultroll....etc

Warrior Elimination-Six Sam, Exile of the Wicked-Infernity, Eternal Drought-Fish Sync OTK

Oh, and plants are weak to Zombie World as well (Pollinosis, Lord Poison, Gigaplant, Tytannial, Princess of Camellias)-213.123.215.233 12:09, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

ok, updated. (excluding Prohibition from BWs, LSs and X-Sabers from taking into account of the other cards in those decks) Falzar FZ 12:23, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Havnt tried this yet but The Gift of Greed may find some use agaisnt infernitys. Just don't know if letting your oppenent get two cards will be worth stopping a effect. Steelfallenangel 19:18, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Dust Tornado should work against Infernities. Destroy Launcher as soon as it's activated, make your opponent a very sad person. Runer5h 19:39, April 29, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

Tualatin works against any Deck that only has a single attribute like Blackwings and Infernity.115.135.245.196 01:55, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Archlord Kristya basically stops anything that special summons. Since we already have her in the list, shouldn't we also include Cactus Bouncer?-Hide Head Turtle 02:59, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

• Instead of The Gift of Greed, I'll add Dark Bribe. It's makes them draw, and it Negates something.
• The ruling of "You cannot activate "Infernity Launcher" and simultaneously activate its effect." is odd, but it allows Dust Tornado to step in so that's a good idea.
• Tualatin would cripple Infernities, that is if they actually destroy your monsters by battle. Most of the time they Trish you first... multiple times, which is annoying. So I would add it to the - area.
• I'd say that Cactus Bouncer is a bit too situational, you'll need another plant monster on the field for the effect to work, your opponent must not normal summon a ≥1800 monster so they can destroy it by battle (assuming they don't already control one), and your opponent must not use cards like Smashing Ground.
• Falzar FZ 06:41, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Gotta say I really like this thread FZ. Really great work. I was gonna ask for something like this a while ago but wanted to have some better understand of the newer metas before i did. Very useful overall. Steelfallenangel 03:37, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

You're actually the first one who used my preferred nickname here.

NP. Falzar FZ 10:27, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed your Dark Bribe link for ya ^^ 203.206.181.39 06:34, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Um... yea, ty.

Falzar FZ 10:27, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Light-Imprisoning Mirror against Lightlords.--Hide Head Turtle 10:18, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

I forgot to add that when it was mentioned above :P

Falzar FZ 10:27, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Brain Golem against Lightlords.--Hide Head Turtle 11:46, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

You can add Banisher of the Light (crippling), Banisher of the Radiance (can work against), The Bistro Butcher (can work against), Summon Limit (can work against), The Gift of Greed (which is chainable and can work against), Grave of the Super Ancient Organism (maybe not, your choice, can work against) and Book of Eclipse (crippling) to the Infernities countering cards. Zeroblizzard 12:04, May 1, 2010 (UTC)Zeroblizzard

BEFORE YOU GO CRAZY ON ME, I think that the Gift of Greed should be put in the list because it stops them from activating any of the conditional effects, without requiring any other cards to be played. Yes, you should play Dark Bribe over The Gift the Greed, but you certainly shouldn't ignore it because it doesn't have any offensive capabilities. Zeroblizzard 12:20, May 1, 2010 (UTC)Zeroblizzard

• Not too sure on the monsters. Since all you need to do is summon a slightly bigger monster and bash.

The Bistro Butcher might not work against well built Infernity decks, since they can stop it with their Necromancer

Summon Limit works a bit.

Book of Eclipse because it also flips the monsters face-down, so they can't synchro summon.

Not sure on the tactic on just making them draw cards, anyone else tried that against a well built infernity deck? (I'm thinking that it may help them in the long run, if more people say it works, then I'll add them)

• Just noticed that Oppression wasn't on Infernities. Falzar FZ 12:27, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Don't edit the list without asking the reasons first, a few of the reasons are: Skill Drain is - because there are many ways for GBs to bypass it (book of moon, e-con, etc tricks), Shadow I Mirror is - in BWs because of cards like Icarus and other annoying s/t they use. Grave of the Super Ancient Organism is - in Dragons because of cards like Stampling Destruction. Falzar FZ 12:32, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Won't happen again. You might want to put the reasons on the list, though (to make it clear). Also, Vengeful Bog Spirit might work well against Infernities. Zeroblizzard 12:35, May 1, 2010 (UTC)Zeroblizzard

• I don't think that card would make much of a difference. The main way to stop Infernities is to prevent them from Triple Trishing you. Also, instead of attacking, they can use their effects and attack next turn (e.g. easily get stardust and wait 1 turn, get Infernity Death Dragon and pop a monster with effect and not attack anyway, triple Trish and you're basically dead anyway)
• Generally, if a card is Continuous or is a monster that is hard to beat against that deck, and it completely stops that deck's main strategy. Then it goes on the Cripple side.
• Actually. New catagory. If there are loopholes in those Cont/Monster cards, or if a deck contains cards to stop them, then they go to the + list.
• Feel free to ask why a card is in a certain category, or disagree (and state the reason).

Falzar FZ 12:40, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Why do people hate Infernitys so much? -_________-

Also, in the Infernitys section, Book of Eclipse is noted down twice...

Wanghu could possibly be used against Infernitys since Beetle and Necromancer are below 1400ATK points. Add in a Burden and Archfiend cant survive too... Akyrix 15:20, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

People are hating on them so much because there brand new and some havn't had alot of experiance playing agaisnt them and they remind some people of that horrible time of the synchro kitty plopping down double DSFs and owning your field.

Decks that people feel that can't have some degree of control over make people jumpy and they want to know all the ins and outs of how to effectivally combat them. Steelfallenangel 19:33, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

I copy a similar line up before editing/adding the name, I might have copied it up, then forgot to change it xD

Wanghu is currently > on QD Plants (QD is SSd face-up, Dandy tokens SSd face-up, etc) and Gadgets (must be Normal Summoned Face-up to get their effects). It wasn't on Infernities because they can set their Necromancer, I could add it to -. Falzar FZ 00:03, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Machina? OjaOwnage 19:50, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Oh I guess gadgets covers machina OjaOwnage 19:52, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Machina Gadget can be added, similar to QD Synchro, if the card needed are somewhat different. Falzar FZ 00:03, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

To the unknown poster, I saw a youtube video on an overview of Infernities after randomly seeing this page on my yugioh wikia home page. I then suggested some cards that would combat those strategies. FZ, keep up the good work, but could you add the explanation for why the cards get their statuses (like how consecrated light and shadow imprisoning mirror get icarus attacked)?Zeroblizzard 03:51, May 2, 2010 (UTC)Zeroblizzard

For Consecrated Light and SIM, they're in the + list

Referring to Blackwings, excluding staples,

Consecrated Light can be stopped by: Book of Moon, Smashing Ground, Fissure, Lightning Vortex, Icarus Attack

SIM can be stopped by: Icarus Attack or they can just continue to duel without effects. It does not stop Kalut. There is actually a DrainWings build.

as for whoever changed Lightlord to Lightsworn, I don't really mind. I used Lightlord because it sounded a lot cooler. Falzar FZ 05:26, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Ha loving to see brain golem up that agaisnt lightsworm. People who ran that deck thought that card would be pointless till it crippled them a few times. Not amazing but a solid sidedeck. Steelfallenangel 06:49, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Adding Necrovalley as Infernity crippler. Also adding Crevice Into the Different Dimension and Karma Cut. Falzar FZ 12:10, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Why isnt Kycoo in the Infernitys section...

Also, are we ignoring staples like Bottomless Trap Hole, MST and stuff?

Staples aren't typically side deck options. Zeroblizzard 13:06, May 2, 2010 (UTC)Zeroblizzard

AAND, why no Discord in Infernitys section!? Cant imagine playing Infernitys without saying "Synchro" Akyrix 12:23, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Good suggestion. Zeroblizzard 13:06, May 2, 2010 (UTC)Zeroblizzard

On a related note, do all of the cards mentioned in this list have mentions in their tips pages that they are good against the decks mentioned here (if not, we might want to work on that)?Zeroblizzard 13:10, May 2, 2010 (UTC)Zeroblizzard

Theres a rather old card that may find some use nowadays agaisnt gb and a few other decks. Chain Destruction may be useful at stalling a oppenents stradegy. I know that a few cards can still swarm heavily from the graveyard but forcing all copies of that card to go to the graveyard will slow a stradegy down alittle.

It combos well with karma cut or necrovalley. Probally not a crippling card but a effective card.

Just a thought. Havn't play tested it heavily do to no one in my area having it. Steelfallenangel 19:50, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Chain Destruction rarely works against GBs because they don't usually run copies of the same monster.--Hide Head Turtle 01:22, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Probally true nowadays but back when I used to have a copy was before they had the ultamite recycler and when Bestiari and Darius were still at 3 so it would have been more effective then. Thats why I said I wasn't sure about it against current builds. I doubt it would be majorly effective but I could see moderatly effective. Steelfallenangel 05:02, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

• Updating/Redraw Table. Includes Reasons.

Falzar FZ 07:46, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Adding Rafflesia Seduction and Jowls of Dark Demise to GBs. Falzar FZ 05:48, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Discord for Flamvell Cat.--Hide Head Turtle 07:13, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Added, and fixed a row thing. Falzar FZ 07:19, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

What about G.B. Hunter as a counter against Gladiator Beasts? It's surprising to see such obvious tech absent from the list. --Gadjiltron 11:05, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

LOL, how could I have forgotten that one >_< Falzar FZ 11:11, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Then, how about Dimension Fortress Weapon against Lightworns?--Hide Head Turtle 12:59, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't use that against LSs. It's only effective in the start of the duel when there's nothing in the Graveyard. But Garoth, Jain, Ryko, Honest can all beat it easily. If it's some time later in the duel, when there's quite a bit of things in the Graveyard to use already, they wouldn't care if they can mill or not as they have most of what they need. Falzar FZ 13:24, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

The End of Anubis against... I don't know, anything that uses the graveyard. (Lightsworns, Infernities, Blackwings, especially Vayu, Zombies, REDMD will only be able to ss from the hand, Fishborg Blaster can't be revived.) Hide Head Turtle 13:38, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Something like that?

Along with Fishborg, Pot of Avarice and Ronintoadin can't be used.

REDMD doesn't target when Special Summoning from hand or grave Falzar FZ 13:56, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

• • Has everyone completely forgotten Chain Disappearance and Mind Crush my favourite cards when dealing with meta decks DaywalkerAA 12:49, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Chain Disappearance is already there, but currently only under against Quickdraw Plants. If there are any other ones, please specify.

Mind Crush isn't that good... imo. If more people think otherwise, convince me to add a third list, called "cards that can be sided against all themed decks"

Falzar FZ 12:55, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

then how about Trap Dustshoot DaywalkerAA 12:58, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

It's a good card; unless it's against Infernities. Apart from that, it should be considered to be a staple. Falzar FZ 13:08, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Adding Magnificent Dignity (Chivalry) to GBs and Flamvell Cat. Falzar FZ 13:25, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

I saw a card the other day that I believe may be effective agaisnt most decks that D.D. Crow would be

Power Pickaxe

Basically a reusable D.D. crow that also gives a small attack boost after activation. Due to its card nature its not as unstopable as the crow but the longer it survives the more its use becomes at usually at best it would be just as good for that turn. Steelfallenangel 17:52, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

what about guardian sphinx? it screws with everyone, especiallly the flamvells :) --Bwinggale 21:43, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Guardian Sphinx is too slow.You had to Tribute Set it first and can only use his effect next turn.That said,people could spam Gladiator Beast Gyzarus,Judgment Dragon,Dark Armed Dragon,Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier or Goyo Guardian to get rid of it.115.135.254.56 01:12, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

goyo would get bounced and therefore would not work--Bwinggale 05:03, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

goyo would not get bounced. Guardian sphinx effect only activates when flip summoned, not when flipped by an attack. -dest- 09:42, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Unlike D.D. Crow. Power Pickaxe cannot be chained to an opponent's effect. Also, you will require a strong monster sometimes for this card to be effective at removal. There are more ways to stop the card because it's an Equip Spell, the most common would probably be Book of Moon and MST.

Yea, it's the Flip Summon thing that makes it bad. If you want bounce and screw with your opponent cards. Legendary Jujitsu Master is the best imo. Falzar FZ 10:02, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

How can Necrovalley stop Kalut??--Leonhartzz 10:57, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

LOL, it doesn't. I might have been intending to add something else. (I doubt I meant it stops Dark Eruption from adding Kalut to hand)

adding Divine Warning (Solemn Warning) to GBs and Cat. Falzar FZ 11:31, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

how does flip flop frog return cards to the hand when it gets attacked then?--Bwinggale 18:24, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

See Forum:Flip Flop Frog attacked Face-down.--Hide Head Turtle 22:41, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Adding Cyber Dragon to Gadgets. Falzar FZ 05:42, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Batteryman OTK Counters?

This deck has amazing power to it. For starters, Royal Oppression shuts down the Special Summons Batterymen love to swarm with, and Zombie World can hamper Thunder-type support cards such as Judgment of Thunder. In addition, Starlight Road and Stardust Dragon stop the most powerful destruction effects Batterymen have, Batteryman Industrial Strength and Short Circuit. Ascriptmaster 02:02, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Adding Nobleman of Crossout to Cat Synchro and Quickdraw Plants.

Adding Batterymen deck. Stardust Dragon is a staple, so I'm not adding that.

Falzar FZ 08:13, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Here's another point for Zombie World I forgot. Since monsters in the Graveyard are also Zombie-type, Batteryman Industrial Strength cannot activate its effect because it must remove a Thunder-type from the Graveyard to activate its effect, (It can still be summoned, however.) Ascriptmaster 20:35, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Also your opponent cannot Tribute Summon Batteryman Charger. Ascriptmaster 20:36, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, added.

Adding Skill Drain to Infernities.

lol, Infernity hate xD it has much more than every other list. Falzar FZ 05:45, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Compulsory Evacuation Device against Blackwings: It bounces their first summon and that hinders the subsequent special summons. It also deals with the Synchro Monsters that they churn out, e.g. Stardust Dragon, Blackwing Armor Master, etc.--Hide Head Turtle 06:18, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

yea, similar to why Trap Hole is used. Falzar FZ 06:38, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Adding Compulsory Evacuation Device to Infernities

Adding new decks, Frognarchs and Evil Hero Dark Gaia OTK

Falzar FZ 12:38, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Skill Drain is listed twice under Dark Gaia OTK as a ">" and a "-". Also, I think you should change the reason for King Tiger Wanghu under Frogs to something other that a simple "assuming it's the synchro build". For example, it could be "Destroys many of the monsters in a Synchro build. Does not affect the Solid/Wetlands build." or something like that. Ascriptmaster 20:27, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

The second Skill Drain was supposed to be Effect Veiler, my bad.

Yea, I'll change that. Along with Synchro Builds it stops Frog Driver FTK. Falzar FZ 23:18, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Frogs

Am I the only person that hasn't dueled Frogs. I don't have a side deck for them.--Airbellum 23:11, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Frogs are only good because of the new Ronintoadin, that might be why. Falzar FZ 23:21, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

I hate their otk. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 05:08, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

How about Herald of Perfection? -Peacekung555

It's not really side deck material. A ritual monster needs so many cards to be effective, the cost for that card's effect would further increase that amount of cards needed. Falzar FZ 14:13, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

• Thought I'd update this now that X-Sabers are getting popular, most the the update is from this. On another note, Jeff Jones' Happy Herald deck is awesome, so awesome, that I'm not going to even think of countering it. I'm going to try let decks like that win xD Falzar FZ (talk • contribs) 09:37, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

• That IS too awesome, and probably can't really be countered without massive resources. Also, do Glads tend to run a lot of Dust Tornado? If they don't you will need to take out that part of the description for Corridor of Agony (but it still is a + because it can't stop Gyzarus as it says). I also think Jujitsu should be a "+" because of this Article on Side Decking on Step 3: "Jujitsu Master has lower DEF, but it eliminates the threat. G.B. Hunter only delays the threat: once your opponent destroys G.B. Hunter he’ll attack again with the Gladiator Beast you blocked."

Yea, I'll move it up.

Tournement winning GB decks generally main 2 Dust Tornadoes now. Falzar FZ (talk • contribs) 06:26, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

With a bunch of new articles put up, updating this again... I might start a new thread soon; or I could make an archive. Falzar FZ (talk • contribs) 08:32, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe a thread would work best because then everyone would know what you are doing. Fallensilence (talk • contribs) 17:10, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

There should be new cards which I may be too busy to go through at the moment.
Cards like Large Trap Hole are talked about often so I can add that one. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 10:46, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Divine Warning is now Solemn Warning and Magnificent Dignity is now Chivalry according to the Duelist Revolution English list. Also, Book of Moon does nothing to Legendary Jujitsu Master (see GB section). It can be bypassed by Enemy Controller (if GBs use it) or the more common option, Test Tiger + Gladiator Beast Murmillo. Ascriptmaster (talk • contribs) 08:28, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing them out. I'll fix it right away.

Also, fixing Frog section a little bit. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 09:18, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

September 2010

Suggestions against the newer archetypes such as Dragunity, Fabled, Naturia, Scrap, etc. are welcomed. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 09:18, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Falzar, how about you update this page for the Sept. 10 Lists, as Flamvell Cat Synchro no longer exists, I also think it should be pinned, its a great article...BassNettoHikari2...Chat Page... 07:30, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I updated it for Sept. Also, adding Scrap, Naturia, Fabled and... a few other cards to side in (e.g. Chain Disappearance). -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:02, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Cyber Cards

What about adding a section for decks revolving around Cyber Dragon/Chimeratech OTK?...BassNettoHikari2...Chat Page... 14:25, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, BTW

Swallow Flip is listed as working against Boggart Knight in the "how to stop X-Sabers" part. Well, it doesn't - you can't flip off normal summoned monsters.

And another thing - Infernity is now more focused around trap cards trap cards trap cards - than the OTK. You should mention that.

Meanwhile, as for how to stop Dragunities? They focus heavily on the graveyard, so cards like Kycoo and D.D. Crow are pretty good. Especially Necrovalley and Zombie World, both of which will stop the equipping of monsters in the graveyard - not to mention that when they're played, if your opponent has a Dragon Canyon, it gets destroyed. Runer5h (talk • contribs) 00:41, September 25, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

Updated for Infernity, Cyber Dragon OTK and Dragunity. I'll leave Dragunity and Scrap in the themed section until it becomes meta in the TCG. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:20, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

We seem to be forgetting Magic Cylinder. It's very handy for punishing careless OTK attempts, with the most evident use being against careless Cyber OTKs. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 01:22, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Hopeless/Disaster Dragon

Why isn't it up there? It's basicly the same tier as BWs and Infernities now.

• Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror + (Several key cards are DARK)
• Koa'ki Meiru Drago - (Can hurt if used on the first turn. May also backfire)
• Grave of the Super Ancient Organism+ (Can severely hurt the entire Deck. Can be destroyed easily with Dust Tornado or Stamping Destruction)
• Different Dimension Ground + (Can severely hurt them; chain to Reasoning/Future Fusion/Foolish Burial/Monster Gate/Trade-In)
• D.D. Crow + (Kills off Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon's one-turn revival. Graveyard heavily used)
• Macro Cosmos+ (Graveyard-dependant. Though hindering, they have ways of retrieving RFGs)
• Archlord Kristya > (Can cripple the Deck, since all monsters that can beat it have to be tributed)
• Royal Oppression + (Can help, even though it is sometimes used in conjunction with Raida)
• Cactus Bouncer + (Stops special summons. Can be overpowered or destroyed easily)
• Electric Virus - (Works especially well if you can tribute)
• Prohibition+ (Call Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon or Five-Headed Dragon)

--Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk) 01:59, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

It's currently in the Themed decks section, maybe I'll move it up, since it's tier 2. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:18, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Bored, adding Exodia and a few to LSs. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:59, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

A few minors

In the 'Frog' section, it states King Tiger Wanghu works good against Frog FTK. The word destroys is capitalized in the 'Six Samurai' section. In 'Heralds', the word Summoned is lower-cased. Hope I helped.|DED((Leaving Me Messages Are Often Left Here) 22:12, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Frog FTK doesn't always FTK, or if you Effect Veiler them, then on the next turn you can Summon Wanghu. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 00:11, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

An odd idea

Does anyone have any ideas on how to counter STUN decks? You know, the ones with Thunder King Rai-Oh, Doomcaliber Knight, Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo, and all the other anti-meta cards. I'd like to know how to beat them, honestly. Runer5h (talk • contribs) 02:01, October 2, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

There's a lot of different STUN decks... like Chaos Stun, Rock Stun, Wanghu Stun, Gadget Stun, Banisher/Macro Stun... They'll require different cards. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:05, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

I'd start with the one that won the YCS: find it here. A very similar build also took third place at that tournament. Runer5h (talk • contribs) 15:41, October 2, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

Imperial Iron Wall, and the 2 imprisoning mirrors could work. Also, Starlight Road and counter-destruction effects, as well as Effect Veiler and anything that could negate traps. --Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk) 22:26, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Burden of the Mighty: They won't have any 'strong' monsters once Burden is out. It also screws them over with their own Wanghu, if that's out.

Royal Decree: Being a Trap heavy deck, this card would cripple most of the deck should you be able to keep it out. Assuming you don't run many Traps.

Trap Stun or Seven Tools of the Bandit: Similar to Decree. Seven Tools if you want a more permanent solution to Counter Traps like Solemn Warning.

Legendary Jujitsu Master: Well, against a deck without any draw power, a -1 is always nice, but this can be a -2 for them as well. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 22:33, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Jujitsu Master could work, but the problem is that they all run 3 Thunder Kings and 3 Doomcalibers (and some run some Cyber Dragons). Sure, they get set back a turn, but you're put at the same disadvantage after losing Jujitsu. As for the two Mirrors, each one can only negate the effect of one card in the deck, so it's highly situational. Lastly, Starlight Road wouldn't be very useful, seeing as they only really use one-by-one destruction cards. Runer5h (talk • contribs) 22:46, October 2, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

I've got a good one, especially if the deck you're facing involves swarming dark monsters! Clear World!! It has potential to be a game changer, especially if it gets out early... Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 23:14, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Just stopping attacks for a while is alright, but being a Field Spell, it gets destroyed fairly easily. It also kills you too, so it's not that good for Side Deck material. Adding Kinetic Soldier to Six Samurai. Back to Anti-Anti-Meta xD

Trap Hole: Apart from Cyber Dragon, they don't Special Summon, so these would mess with them. Generally used to get rid of their TKRO and DCK.

Magic Drain: Along with Trap Stun, this card is for protection of your cards. It's always going to be a 'one for one' as well. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:32, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

A majority of their monsters are level 4 (Fossil Dyna, King TIger, Thunder King, Doomcaliber, sometimes Gadgets, Kycoo, Legendary Jujitsu, Snipe Hunter, and their tributes, CyDra and Gorz,) would all be affected by Gravity Bind or Level Limit - Area B, so if someone was willing enough to side them, it could be potentially disrupting to them. Also, it's not like they're going to attack with their D.D. Crows or Effect Veilers. --Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk) 01:50, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Jujitsu is level 3. I know - crazy, but true! Anyways, that could work, but you'd need a way around it yourself - and not every decks run powerful level 3s-and-lower. X-Sabers might be able to benefit, but other decks... not so much. Runer5h (talk • contribs) 19:36, October 7, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

A couple of ideas

Flip Flop Frog has been included under Dark Gaia OTK, so why hasn’t Nightmare Penguin? Also, Exodia decks are missing Thunder King Rai-Oh (stops White Stone, Sangan, Emissary etc.) and Protector of the Sanctuary (stops everything else). Believe me, against an Exodia deck, summon these 2, and you’ve won. Barring horrible luck. Battlemaniac (talk • contribs) 17:23, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

OK, added them. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 09:10, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Contents

I've added a contents section with links which go to each deck type. It should make navigation much easier. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 10:56, October 11, 2010 (UTC)