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Let us observe that claim " You can just topdeck your Yata from your hand with Plaguespreader, use Stygian Street Patrol to summon Phantom of Chaos from your hand, banish Sky Scourge Norleras from your grave for the effect of PoC, nuke the field and both player's hands, draw Yata, summon it, direct attack, game over." that is gonna need a shit ton of luck to pull of consistently. If anything I would argue the grind game is what makes Yata too good not locks that may work, otherwise just use judgement dragon. FuFu really should not have been hit, but its basically PC when pulled with added bonus of a beat stick. Cards can mill makyura. And once for one existed with subsitoad. Magician of Faith, Dark Magician of Chaos, Sinister Serpent, Thousand-Eyes Restrict, and maybe Glow-Up Bulb(iffy due to trish) or Cyber-Stein. As for witch, like I said Sangan was banned for abuse not use, you cant really abuse witch outside of Call, and I hear call is really popular already due to Reborn ban. I wan't to discuss CED in OCG above all other cards[[User:Chaos Avenger|Chaos Avenger]] ([[User talk:Chaos Avenger|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Chaos Avenger|contribs]]) 18:49, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

:Future Fusion was only banned because Chaos Dragons abused it, but now that Dragon Rulers exist, it may never return. But the claim with Yata is no different than other banned cards like say, Mass Driver. You'd need a shit ton of luck to get Imperial Iron Wall, Quillbolt Hedgehog, a tuner, and Mass Driver on the field at the same time every duel, or all the cards for some other OTK with it. For one, Mass Driver can't be searched, you can only hope you draw into it, and Iron Wall is a trap, so it's definitely not consistent since you have to set it and wait a turn and hope it won't get mst'd. Yet, I don't see any reason Mass Driver should return since it will only EVER exist for being abused to make some stupid burn OTK/FTK. Just because it's not always consistent doesn't mean it's not broken. And I can think of a lot more reasons to keep Driver banned than to not keep it banned. I never said Substitoad should return (and it never should, not only can it throw half your deck to the grave in a single turn, but one for one or Swap Frog + Salvage can search it too easily). The problem with Witch is that (although not 100% true), roughly 90% of all monsters in the game have a defense lower than their attack. Witch can search just about every card Sangan can + Dad, every monarch, T-King, Reborn Tengu, Dragoons, Mezuki, and god knows how many other good cards. Although, if you want to talk about CED specifically, fine. The reason why it was banned was not just the Yata lockdown with Sangan on your field, but it's got a ridiculously cheap cost for such an immensely powerful effect to nuke the field and both player's hands, not to mention the massive burn damage it inflicts to your opponent. You can set up your grave with dragon rulers or other cards to make sure you have an advantage over your opponent, if you haven't topdecked something else beforehand with plaguespreader. And Judgment Dragon isn't as usable as CED. For one, it's a luck-based card used only in Lightsworns since you may mill it out, and it destroys all the cards. It's a lot easier to counter cards that destroy than cards that send to the grave; also Judgment Dragon doesn't kill the hand like CED does. CED is just too powerful to return. It's does nothing but (literally) end the duel by itself when it hits the field and it should never, ever come back. And limiting CED to 1 won't make it inconsistent either. You can search it with Eclipse Wyvern to get it early on. To be honest, of all of the broken cards that currently exist on the forbidden list, CED is one of the top 10 (if not top 5) least likely to return. [[User:Ninety-eight|Ninety-eight]] ([[User talk:Ninety-eight|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ninety-eight|contribs]]) 20:04, August 26, 2013 (UTC)