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:::If anything, I'd like to know how those 3 terms are defined, to better understand whether those terms are justifiably used on certain cards. Like how "winmoar" is for cards that shine best only when you're already in a winning position. --[[User:Gadjiltron|Gadjiltron]] ([[User talk:Gadjiltron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gadjiltron|contribs]]) 06:29, January 26, 2014 (UTC)
In some cases, I don't see how it's a bad thing for them to hit cards like Final Countdown and Self-Destruct Button since it's making the game better by getting rid of solitaire decks no one likes to play against, even though they did nothing relevant for ages. In most other cases though, there usually has to be a certain degree of relevancy before you say something like "ban a card because it's badly designed". Cards like [[Snake Rain]] and [[Fossil Dig]] are inherently badly designed cards. One is a Painful Choice that just has a discard cost, and the other is a ROTA for anything lv 6 or lower, but the problem is, Reptiles and Dinosaurs are two of the least supported types in the game and until they actually do something, those cards will stay at 3. In other cases, it's about profit, Tenki isn't a well-designed card and it's the reason Fire Fists are tier 1 right now, but Konami wants to promote them so they brought it to 3. However, over the past two banlists TCG Konami has been taking out lots of problems for the game, aside from the fact they don't make money off of them anymore, they're making the game as a whole much better. I don't really see anyone in the TCG complaining that this format is "sacky" or "degenerate", it just has a few annoying cards from time to time. How to exactly define those words really depends on the current gamestate. Something that's not labeled as "sacky" or "degenerate" or "broken" right now could be labeled as such by the common yugioh playerbase in the next year or two. [[User:Ninety-eight|Ninety-eight]] ([[User talk:Ninety-eight|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ninety-eight|contribs]]) 14:15, January 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
The new ocg list is amazing, they brought back cards, they weakened rulers and swarms, and they made otks hard as well as made a new meta[[User:Chaos Avenger|Chaos Avenger]] ([[User talk:Chaos Avenger|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Chaos Avenger|contribs]]) 02:10, January 27, 2014 (UTC)
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