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== Number ? ==
reading the things that are up for episode 58 i am kinda confused. the way i see it when destiny leo has 0 xyz materials he gains some kind of overwhelming advantage.--[[User:George0x|George0x]] ([[User talk:George0x|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/George0x|contribs]]) 16:28, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
When he has 0 Xyz Materials, the owner of the card wins the Duel. --[[User:Stardustdrago|Stardustdrago]] ([[User talk:Stardustdrago|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stardustdrago|contribs]]) 05:50, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
I'm guessing that he might be number 4, number 48, or 88.
* In my opinion it will be either 13, 14, 18, 84, 4, 82 [[Special:Contributions/201.13.172.138|201.13.172.138]] ([[User talk:201.13.172.138|talk]]) 01:05, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
has number 88 defintely been confirmed , it was just a guess i made?
[[User:Matthew Lightbody|[email protected]]] ([[User talk:Matthew Lightbody|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Matthew Lightbody|contribs]]) 12:06, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
Your guess was correct it is on one of the shoulder plates.--[[User:George0x|George0x]] ([[User talk:George0x|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/George0x|contribs]]) 12:10, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
==The hyphen==
From other Gimmick Puppet monsters, I don't think this hyphen is needed. Anyone agree? [[User:Energy X|<span style="color:red">E</span><span style="color:orange">n</span><span style="color:yellow">e</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:blue">g</span><span style="color:purple">y</span> <span style="color:gray">X</span>]] [[User talk:Energy X|∞]] 18:48, September 8, 2012 (UTC)
:I had a feeling that this card is more special than other Gimmick Puppet monsters... Unless Konami confirmed that - we have to stuck with the current name. --<span style="font:10pt 'Bookman Old Style'">[[User:FredCat100/Smily Faces|<span style="color:#000">i</span>]][[User:FredCat100|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">F</span>]][[User talk:FredCat100#top|<span style="color:#000">r</span>]][[User:FredCat100/friends|<span style="color:#000">e</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Ruling List|<span style="color:#000">d</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Disambiguation|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">C</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Research|<span style="color:#000">a</span>]][[Special:Contributions/FredCat100|<span style="color:#000">t</span>]]</span> 18:50, September 8, 2012 (UTC)
:In end, its became "of", just like Ezio Auditore da Firenze... --<span style="font:10pt 'Bookman Old Style'">[[User:FredCat100/Smily Faces|<span style="color:#000">i</span>]][[User:FredCat100|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">F</span>]][[User talk:FredCat100#top|<span style="color:#000">r</span>]][[User:FredCat100/friends|<span style="color:#000">e</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Ruling List|<span style="color:#000">d</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Disambiguation|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">C</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Research|<span style="color:#000">a</span>]][[Special:Contributions/FredCat100|<span style="color:#000">t</span>]]</span> 20:33, January 7, 2013 (UTC)
==Detach as Cost==
Are you sure LastMinute? Because the Japanese lore looks like detaching is a cost to put a counter on it (to me). --[[User:UltimateKuriboh|UltimateKuriboh]] ([[User talk:UltimateKuriboh|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/UltimateKuriboh|contribs]]) 03:16, October 27, 2012 (UTC)
: first japanese sentence usually state the condition and cost. １ターンに１度、自分の魔法＆罠カードゾーンにカードが存在しない場合に'''発動'''できる。 発動 = activate. it doesn't state detaching xyz materials here. since it's not stated here, then it's not part of condition nor part of the cost. I'm not trying to act as if i'm always correct. it's just stated here. why do you think TCG used to say "you can activate by...." in the past. [[User:LastMinute|LastMinute]] ([[User talk:LastMinute|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LastMinute|contribs]]) 03:29, October 27, 2012 (UTC)
== This card's anime alt win effect ==
To avoid edit warring, I'm moving my argument here:<br/>
I admit I messed up earlier when I tried to claim Nasch was stating a specific instance; I rewatched both episodes 58 and 126 and all characters do only say that No.88 can win by "using all of its Overlay Units", not just by having no Overlay Units.<br/>
But why state it in the roundabout fashion "If this card has no Xyz Materials since all of them were detached by its effect since it was Summoned"? I changed it to "If this card detaches all of its Xyz Materials", but you said that that complicated it a lot more. How so?<br/>
Anime lores very frequently use shorthand notation that may be open to interpretation. The lore I'm advocating for is more fitting to the style of previously seen anime lores, and is more likely to be seen should No.88's anime lore ever end up revealed. It is extremely rare for an anime lore to try to patch up loopholes or use very specific wording, like the roundabout fashion you seem to be thinking of. Anime lores are often just word-for-word what the character says.<br/>
If there's no counter-argument posted, I'll revert it back to the shorthand lore. [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] ([[User talk:Blueapple128|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Blueapple128|contribs]]) 19:00, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
:It would mean that it could detach all monsters in one turn, which is not true, as it needs several turns to detach all monsters. [[User:Energy X|<span style="color:red">E</span><span style="color:orange">n</span><span style="color:yellow">e</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:blue">g</span><span style="color:purple">y</span> <span style="color:gray">X</span>]] [[User talk:Energy X|∞]] 19:02, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
::It doesn't mean that. It means that you would have to detach all of the Materials it had since it was Summoned. For example, the first time it was Summoned, it had 2, while originally, it is supposed to have 3. Your lore means that it would have to detach them all at the same time, since it is worded like [[Number 102: Star Seraph Sentry]]. [[User:Carboxylase|Carboxylase]] ([[User talk:Carboxylase|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Carboxylase|contribs]]) 19:10, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
