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== Concerning "Shien" ==
I've noticed that there's some confusion about what makes a "Shien" card part of the Archetype proper. Since I've corrected a few mistakes about which cards are and aren't part of the Archetype, and you've undone some of those corrections, I figured I'd explain the matter.
Firstly, Archetypes have no real weight or meaning without some sort of effect, card, or rule binding them together. I trust you know this, but it's background for the point I plan to make.
If there were no cards specifically made to work with "Shien" cards, then there'd be no need for all the "Shien" cards to stick with the name "Shien" when being brought to the states. This is one reason why "Kagemusha of the Blue Flame" went with "Blue Flame" - because at the time of its release, it was the only "Shien" card in the game, and there were no effects meant to work for "Shien" cards alone.
However, now, there is one such effect - "Gateway of the Six"'s third Ignition Effect. Specifically, it works for "Shien" Effect Monsters, but being Effect or not doesn't matter to determining Archetypes; Archetypes look only for name pieces. Gateway thus established the "Shien" archetype as a standalone entity.
There are no other effects that work for the "Shien" bunch - meaning that Gateway is the only thing that decides what is and isn't in the Archetype.
For a while, before Gateway was brought to Japan, things were easy - if the card had "Shien" in its name, the US copy of the card said "it's in the Archetype."
This changed when Gateway was released to the OCG - as the OCG copy doesn't just ask for a simple "Shien". It asks for a specific combination of kanji and katakana-as-furigana, as shown in its card gallery. Some "Shien" cards fit this combo; others do not.
Archetypes cannot disagree between the OCG and TCG; this much is proven by the rulings making clear how "Hundred-Eyes Dragon" is not a "red-Eyes" monster, thereby making it incompatible with the effect of "Red-Eyes Wyvern". (You could argue that "red-Eyes" is not "Red-Eyes", and that changing an uppercase letter to lowercase removes a card from an archetype, but that argument is refuted by "Unifrog"'s status as a "Frog" monster.)
And, as usual, with the OCG ultimately controlling the way the game is governed, we can't sit back and say "the OCG copy of Gateway is wrong".
So, I write this to make clear: "Shien's Spy" and "Legendary Six Samurai - Shien" are no longer compatible with Gateway - and thus are not part of the "Shien" Archetype established by Gateway. I ask you to leave them out of the archetype when making your edits.[[Special:Contributions/76.250.142.21|76.250.142.21]] ([[User talk:76.250.142.21|talk]]) 16:33, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
