Forum:Image naming from the Image Policy

The Image Policy currently has rather lengthy guidelines on choosing a name for the image being uploaded, based on whether the card has been released in the TCG. However, surely it would be simpler to just ask people to mirror the spelling used by the card's article? For reference, the TCG/OCG section of the current guideline reads:

CardName is the official English Card Name of the card (if it exists in the English TCG) OR, the commonly-accepted English translation of the card's name from Japanese (if it does NOT exist in the English TCG). If you're dealing with Japanese OCG-only cards, a good source of accepted English name translations are the numerous Yu-Gi-Oh! video games. If at all possible, try to get the name from the NEWEST of these (i.e., try WC6 first, then NTR, then WC5, and so on). (emphasis in original)

A suggested version would read approximately as follows:

CardName should reflect the name of the card's article. (examples may or may not follow)

This change would also be applicable to the Anime/Manga section. Thoughts?

On a related note, the guideline currently has no instructions specifically for card images from video games, even though there are a large number of such images currently on the wiki. What is the preferred naming method for such images? 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 22:17, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Just realized, there are also no guidelines for Bandai/DDM/etc. images. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 22:18, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

You're only asking if we should rephrase the image policy page, rather than change the policy itself?

Yeah, instructing someone to figure out what card name to use is redundant when its already been done for the card's article.

Video game images are CardNameVG-ID-LN.file extension.

• CardName is the card's English name that we're using or name from the English language version of the video game, if it's different.
• VG is as is.
• ID is an abbreviation of the video game. Usually taken from the set id for its promotional cards. e.g. FMR for Yu-Gi-Oh! Forbidden Memories. If it doesn't have promotional cards, just use the games initials.
• LN the language. Same as with other images.
• -2, -3 etc. can be stuck on at the end for cards with multiple artworks in the same game.

I have no objection to adding Bandai, DDM etc. If anyone needs to know they're as follows:

• Bandai is CardNameBAN#-LN-R. BAN# is BAN1 for a regular card and BAN2 for a "shield". (Could cause conflict if Konami ever release OCG sets with BAN1 and BAN2 as their ids.)
• DDM is CardNameSet-DDM-LN for a card. CardName-DDM-FIGURE for a figure.
• Capsule Monsters Game is the same as DDM, but with a CM instead of a DDM.

-- Deltaneos (talk) 11:55, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Correct, I'm only asking about rewording and clarifying the current policy. You're fine with my explicitly requested change, then, right? I may end up completely rewriting it so that stuff is better segmented and explained, but if I do, I'll post the new version and ask opinions before replacing the current version. For the most part, this is a result of me working on {{TCG-OCG card image}}, a template for tagging card images that should help people figure out what the image's name *should* be (unfortunately, I'm not aware of any way to incorporate it into the upload form so that the image name is auto-generated...). --Dinoguy1000 (talk • contribs) as 67.58.229.153 19:01, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Characters to remove

The policy currently says to remove the following characters from card names when naming images: periods (.), question marks (?), number signs (#), quotes ("), and slashes (/\). Furthermore, it says that the following characters should be included: commas (,), dashes/hyphens (-), ampersands (&), exclamation marks (!), and percent signs (%). I am assuming that en dashes, em dashes, etc. are included with the dashes/hyphens, since they are not explicitly stated - this should be clarified.

Working on {{TCG-OCG card image}}, I ran across a problem involving dashes in card names - namely, the template currently uses dashes to separate the card's name into different parts, which can then be individually compared with provided information to ensure the image has the correct name. However, any card with a dash in its name will disrupt this, and there is no simple way to automatically fix this (or rather, there is no way I can think of that wouldn't require huge amounts of wikicode), because the last section of a card image's name (-Misc) is optional. The easiest method to fix this, then, would be to revise the policy so that dashes are discouraged, and existing cases can be handled over time as the template is deployed.

I would also ask that ampersands and percent signs be discouraged for similar technical reasons - both of these have special meanings in URLs and, while they generally won't cause problems, their behavior (especially when being manipulated by templates) can be unpredictable and the question mark has always been discouraged for much the same reason.

There are also several characters which have special meaning in wikimarkup and so cannot be used in page or file names and, while they are unlikely to ever appear in a card's name, should probably still be actively discouraged: square and curly braces ([]{}), vertical pipes (|), greater/less than signs (<>), and ampersands (*).

Parenthesis need to be considered separately, as they have no technical restrictions on their use, but may be undesirable in image names for other reasons.

Fullwidth/halfwidth characters should not be used, in favor of their ASCII equivalents, and the solidus (／) should probably be grouped with the slashes.

This is quite a bit, but I figured it would be easier to discuss it all together rather than having a bunch of different discussions on each point. Thoughts? --Dinoguy1000 (talk • contribs) as 72.251.164.58 04:43, April 28, 2010 (UTC)