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== What About Them? ==

Why are Tuned Magician and Featherizer not females?''—This unsigned comment was made by [[User:129.25.32.246|129.25.32.246]] ([[User talk:129.25.32.246|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/129.25.32.246|contribs]]) 20:09, May 24, 2011''

:Because they were never tagged as female cards (and they're almost certainly not the only ones). I've fixed it for them. 「[[User:Dinoguy1000|ダイノガイ]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|千？！]]」[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|☎ Dinoguy1000]] 03:47, May 26, 2011 (UTC)

* [[Medium of the Ice Barrier]]

* [[Gishki Erial]]

* [[Gravekeeper's Priestess]]''—This unsigned comment was made by [[User:KrspaceT|KrspaceT]] ([[User talk:KrspaceT|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KrspaceT|contribs]]) 15:34, August 16, 2011''

:All of these, except for "Tempest Magician", were already marked as female cards. To see them in the lists, though, you may have to click on the "... further results" link at the bottom of each table. 「[[User:Dinoguy1000|ダイノガイ]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|千？！]]」[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|☎ Dinoguy1000]] 16:33, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

== [[Airknight Parshath]]? ==

This looks vaguely female to me, but [[:File:AirknightParshath-WC08.jpg]] and [[:File:~~AirknightParshathDB2~~AirknightParshath-DB2-FR-SR-UE.~~jpg~~png]] suggest it could just be an effeminate, long-haired male. Anyone? 「[[User:Dinoguy1000|ダイノガイ]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|千？！]]」[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|☎ Dinoguy1000]] 06:46, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

:It's definitely a male in french. We're always consider it as a male. [[User:Wilimut|Wilimut]] [[User Talk:Wilimut|Talk]][[Special:Emailuser/Wilimut|Mail]] Paris, 14:08, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

:::: So I managed to gain access to a copy of Duelists of the Roses with every card unlocked; would it be correct to say, if you move Cyber Shield onto a monster; if it equips, then the monster is female; if the monster is destroyed, the monster is male?

:::: Did that to Black Luster Soldier and it was destroyed.

:::: On a not so related topic; I'll upload a new version of [[:File:~~BackVG~~Back-DOR-VG.png]] when I figure out (or if someone tells me) where the best view of the back can be obtained. Right now, I think it's when a Spell/Trap is activated. -[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]]) 13:40, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

:::::When looking at details of a card there should also be section that lists applicable Equip Cards.

== [[Tour Bus From the Underworld]] ==

As a vehicle, it's almost certainly not female but it is listed as such. Obviously, [[Tour Guide From the Underworld]] is the female. Should it be on this page?''—This unsigned comment was made by [[User:BobaFett2|BobaFett2]] ([[User talk:BobaFett2|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BobaFett2|contribs]]) '' 00:39, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

:We list cards as female based on whether a female appears in the artwork, so Tour Bus qualifies. 「[[User:Dinoguy1000|ディノ奴]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|千？！]]」[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|☎ Dinoguy1000]] 07:02, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, if you paid attention to the plot of "Memory World", what made Kisara unique was that her ka (monster spirit) and ba (actual human soul) were one. Meaning, that her individual soul WAS the Blue-Eyes White Dragon. Kisara IS Blue-Eyes. That's why if it was pulled from her body, she would die. So yes, the Blue-Eyes White Dragon is female. It should be on the list.[[User:Makoeyes987|Makoeyes987]] ([[User talk:Makoeyes987|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Makoeyes987|contribs]]) 03:41, June 14, 2012 (UTC)Makoeyes987

So....what's the final verdict? Is BEWD female or not? [[User:Order|Order]] ([[User talk:Order|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Order|contribs]]) 09:36, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

==Arcanites==

:::Iunno, looks male to me; at most the face is a bit androgynous and the design on the chest could be mistaken for breasts in smaller-resolution images. See also the Tag Force images: [[:File:ArcaniteMagician-TF04-JP-VG.png|Arcanite Magician]], [[:File:ArcaniteMagicianAssaultMode-TF04-JP-VG.png|Arcanite Magician/Assault Mode]], [[:File:AssaultOverload-TF04-JP-VG.png|Assault Overload]]. 「[[User:Dinoguy1000|ディノ奴]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|千？！]]」[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|☎ Dinoguy1000]] 06:00, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

::::They look male to me too, not that I have any new observations to back that up. -- [[User:Deltaneos|Deltaneos]] ([[User talk:Deltaneos|talk]]) 15:39, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

== Spell/Trap Cards ==

Why the hell are we putting up Spell/Trap Cards as female just because a female monster appears in the artwork? For example, the card [[Amazoness Spellcaster]] is represented by a woman even in its name, so it makes sense to list it as female. But how is "The A. Forces" a female? [[User:Simple Guillotine|Simple Guillotine]] ([[User talk:Simple Guillotine|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Simple Guillotine|contribs]]) 00:55, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

:Well since you've brought it up, I've long wanted to [[User:Golden Key/Sandbox|revamp this page]]. The anime, manga and some games specifically name certain cards as female. We should only be listing those specific monsters here. However, this list began when the wiki was in its younger stages and people just keep doing what they've been doing all along. The main argument for continuing this way is that a lot of users want to see a listing of all cards with females in them. That can be solved with maintaining a unofficial listing on the forum, the way we do the controversial [[Forum:"Numbers" Xyz Monster Trivia|"Numbers" Xyz Monster Trivia]]. A big step would be to obtain a list of cards from the games that are noted as female, but no one has done so as of yet. --[[User:Golden Key|Golden Key]] ([[User talk:Golden Key|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Golden Key|contribs]]) 01:32, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

== Darkness Neosphere is a guy ==

Take note that it has no breasts... if u look closely it that other bump is on his arm! He has a male haircut! Like he looks like a mummy meaning he was a prince ''—This unsigned comment was made by [[User:620518|620518]] ([[User talk:620518|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/620518|contribs]]) 08:35, November 9, 2013‎ (UTC)''

== Orea and Nepthys ==

[[Orea, the Sylvan High Arbiter|Orea]] is stated to be female according to this: http://www.ygorganization.com/ocg-sylvan-backstory-funtime/

Also, on this page: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Sacred_Phoenix_of_Nephthys_%28character%29

We have Nepthys listed as female, which makes sense since the deity Nepthys was female. [[User:Forestfleet|Forestfleet]] ([[User talk:Forestfleet|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Forestfleet|contribs]]) 05:29, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

== XX-Saber Hyunlei ==

Latest episode actually bothered to give us a direct shot at her big breasts, lol. So yeah, she should be added into the list.[[User:Order|Order]] ([[User talk:Order|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Order|contribs]]) 00:04, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

:Oh, that was a given before the episode. She's already listed as female on her card page, but SMW being glitchy and all, that's why she isn't on the list. --[[User:UltimateKuriboh|UltimateKuriboh]] ([[User talk:UltimateKuriboh|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/UltimateKuriboh|contribs]]) 00:15, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

== Purpose of this page ==

In its current form, I find this page largely useless. I think it should focus on the functional situations in which a monster being female matters. For example, in video games which have card effects that only affect female monsters, all the affected monsters should be tagged (and likewise for effects that only affect male monsters, which we don't currently do). ''TCG''/''OCG'' cards do not need to be here because there is no functional significance of gender in those media.

Anime and manga I'm not entirely sure how to handle, but it might just be best to avoid the constant speculation and just make mentions of the specific cards with gender-dependent effects, and which cards were demonstrated to have functionally significant genders. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:34, June 3, 2016 (UTC)

:In the many years I've been using the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia, I never understood why there was a differentiation.

:Ok, I now see some video games may treat them differently. And I'm aware of [[No. 22: Zombiestein (manga)|manga Zombiestein]]. But I also don't think it's necessary to have lots of ''TCG''/''OCG'' cards tagged with this. [[User:Becasita|Becasita]] Pendulum ([[User talk:Becasita|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Becasita|contribs]]) 10:04, June 3, 2016 (UTC)

::Is it worth accommodating for the portion of the fandom that are simply interested in knowing what female cards there are, beyond their impact on gameplay? Such as they want a female character or a character with a all-female Deck for their fanfic. Mutter, mutter feminism, lust, misogyny, misandry. While the reasons may be virtuous or objectionable, the interest exists. Is it worth listing all female cards for this interest? -- [[User:Deltaneos|Deltaneos]] ([[User talk:Deltaneos|talk]]) 21:33, June 3, 2016 (UTC)

:::You know? You're right. People could be interested in that. It's still a search criteria. Might be convenient.

:::I take my previous post back, that said. Thanks. [[User:Becasita|Becasita]] Pendulum ([[User talk:Becasita|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Becasita|contribs]]) 22:01, June 3, 2016 (UTC)

::::I think that kind of thing might be better served on the trivia pages of the respective cards. The problem is that we don't have definitive confirmation on the gender of every single card, so a page like this is necessarily going to be either incomplete or speculative.

::::Another problem I have is the low standard for inclusion and ultimate subjectivity, particularly for non-Monster Cards. We have cards like "[[Ritual Sanctuary]]" and "[[Malevolent Nuzzler]]" in this category, which while they do feature females in their artwork, the subjects of the cards themselves are not females. It also leads to very confusing cases, such as "[[Risebell the Summoner]]" being tagged as female because it includes a female in its artwork, despite the subject of the card not being female (hopefully we don't end up with alternate artworks messing this up).

::::I don't really see why we would single out female for people who want to make themed Decks or write fanfics. I could just as easily suggest tagging all blue cards (which would have similar inclusion issues to female cards) or all minotaurs. In fact, there are other arbitrary categories with significance in the video games too, such as [[List of shelled monsters|cards that have shells]]. If we want to note properties like gender or color when they have no mechanical significance (and especially when they are not particularly well-defined), those should not use search categories. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:44, July 26, 2016 (UTC)

:::::In addition to the above, a solution to wanting to please the people who have a vested interest in categorising cards as such would be to take the names of "female" cards we've currently tagged, and paste them into a forum topic the way we did [[Forum:Billy Deck|Billy Deck]]. We can then remove the female category from all cards that have not been specifically designated as such in a form of media. This has been talked about before, and Dinoguy's had a draft for revising this page for ages. --[[User:Golden Key|Golden Key]] ([[User talk:Golden Key|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Golden Key|contribs]]) 12:37, July 26, 2016 (UTC)

::::::A forum topic would probably be suitable for the general subject of female cards, and its manually maintained nature would allow distinguishing cases where the subject of the card is female versus its artwork simply featuring female monsters/characters, as well as an easier way to handle alternate artworks (and it would also allow proper documentation of cases where a card is referred to or treated as female e.g. in the anime or manga despite not obviously being female itself - e.g. BEWD, which is the ka of a female character and IIRC therefore generally treated as female itself).

:::::::''Dinoguy's had a draft for revising this page for ages''

::::::I have? Is this something I've mentioned before? Because I don't remember any such draft, don't have one saved in my userspace (which is where I would have stuck it if I saved it as a draft), and don't have one squirreled away in any open tab in my browser... 「[[User:Dinoguy1000|ディノ奴]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|千？！]]」[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|☎ Dinoguy1000]] 12:49, July 26, 2016 (UTC)

::::::Are you thinking of [[User:Golden Key/Sandbox|your sandbox]], Key? You linked it in a previous topic above, but it hasn't been touched for a few years now (and I've never messed with it). 「[[User:Dinoguy1000|ディノ奴]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|千？！]]」[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|☎ Dinoguy1000]] 12:53, July 26, 2016 (UTC)

::::::::How very strange. I remembered that I started something, but I thought someone else had already made a better version, so I stopped. ''Somehow'' I must have been thinking about [[User:Dinoguy1000/monster stuff/attribute vs type|this]]. Hehe, whoops. --[[User:Golden Key|Golden Key]] ([[User talk:Golden Key|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Golden Key|contribs]]) 13:49, July 26, 2016 (UTC)

:::::I don't understand the trivia page suggestion. A list alerts/reminds you of the existence of female cards. If you're viewing a trivia page, you'll already aware of the card and in most cases won't need to be told its gender. "* This card is female." on each trivia page is too much.

:::::"All models are wrong, but some are useful." The page acknowledgingly lists cards which may be disputed, but it still succeeds in informing people of the majority of female cards.

:::::I also don't like that cards depicting females, but whose subjects aren't female, are listed. I think they should be removed either way.

:::::There is more of a demand for knowing what ''OCG'' cards are female than which ones are blue or shelled.

:::::I don't mean to come across as a huge supporter of this page. I just want to put the logic on the table. If the "there's a portion of people interested in knowing" case is too narrow to warrant inclusion, I'd be happy to strip this page down to just the mediums where female is a mechanic and if desired, let the forum handle the rest. -- [[User:Deltaneos|Deltaneos]] ([[User talk:Deltaneos|talk]]) 19:13, July 26, 2016 (UTC)

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