Editing Forum:Fiber jar confusion

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I already told you guy's how fiber jar behave in yugioh WC 2007 which is a DS game, in that game if fiber jar is destroy by battle when it's flip effect activated it is return to the deck. I did some research and this ruling is not incorrect, I have a few proof. In pojo forum someone played a yugioh video game that is older than yugioh 2007, because they play it using the GBA, and in that game when fiber jar was destroy by battle at the same time is flip effect activated he was sent to the graveyard after everything return to the deck except the banish zone(remove from play in that game), and it was confirmed to be a glitch in that game. So their for the video game of 2007 is correct with the ruling. 

I made a mistake in my previous explanation in a different ruling queries about the same subject, the mistake that I made was the example of not including both the field and graveyard, so I'm going to fix that mistake in this ruling queries.

What is the reason why that fiber jar return itself to deck when destroy by battle? Is it because he has an exception to the rules? the answer is no although it looks that way, the real reason why is because both the field and graveyard are included at the same time to be return to the deck. This is also why it cause actihttp://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Fiber_jar_confusion?action=edit#vated card that does not stay on the field to be return to the deck also. 

I have seen in a different online video game that is non-Manuel, what happen when fiber jar is flip effect activated when he is destroy by battle by Magician of Chaos, when fiber jar resolve Magician of Chaos when to the banish zone, and everything else except fiber jar and the banish zone return to the deck, after that fiber jar got sent to the banish zone, The reason it did that was because only the field, not the banish zone was sent to the deck. If the banish zone was included along with the field, then fiber jar and magician of chaos would have jump into the deck. If the field was not included only the banish zone return to the deck, when fiber jar is destroy by battle by magician of chaos, and it's flip effect activated, only all the card banish including magician of chaos, would be return to the deck, after that fiber jar is sent to the banish zone. "Note: fiber jar does not actually include the banish zone to be return to the deck, I only did that, as a what if it works that way, to see my proof" Please try not to insult me,and/or disrespect me because if you do, you will only be insulted, and/or be disrespect.[[Special:Contributions/96.44.92.186|96.44.92.186]] ([[User talk:96.44.92.186|talk]]) 23:35, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
:Fiber Jar returns itself into the deck because it says to unite ''all'' cards from both player's field, hand, and grave into the deck then draw 5 cards. "All" includes itself, even when it's flipped in battle. I do admit though, it doesn't make much sense to me as to why Fiber Jar can unite itself into your deck when it's flipped in battle but Penguin Soldier can't return itself to your hand when it's flipped in battle. Fiber Jar can return itself to the deck when flipped in battle "just because it can". It's a really game-breaking effect, which is why it's banned, and likely never coming back. [[Special:Contributions/98.206.70.2|98.206.70.2]] ([[User talk:98.206.70.2|talk]]) 22:18, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

:: Fiber Jar returns to the deck because its effect as you said includes itself. It would go to the Graveyard, then go back into the Deck. Penguin Soldier can return itself if it survives the battle it's involved in. --[[User:MasterMarik|MasterMarik]] ([[User talk:MasterMarik|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MasterMarik|contribs]]) 15:07, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
::"[[Penguin Soldier]]" [[Target]], "[[Fiber Jar]]" shuffle ALL cards --<span style="font:10pt 'Bookman Old Style'">[[User:FredCat100/Smily Faces|<span style="color:#000">i</span>]][[User:FredCat100|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">F</span>]][[User talk:FredCat100#top|<span style="color:#000">r</span>]][[User:FredCat100/friends|<span style="color:#000">e</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Ruling List|<span style="color:#000">d</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Disambiguation|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">C</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Research|<span style="color:#000">a</span>]][[Special:Contributions/FredCat100|<span style="color:#000">t</span>]]</span> 22:35, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

:::The inclusion of the graveyard has nothing to do with Fiber Jar going back to the Deck, since it's on the field when its effect activates and resolves. It's just as IP: 98.206.70.2 said. It's allowed most likely because the card text mentions all, and card text always trumps game mechanics. [[User:DexxIsBack|DexxIsBack]] ([[User talk:DexxIsBack|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DexxIsBack|contribs]]) 20:50, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

DexxISBack: Why that fiber jar does not return itself when destroy by battle by dark magician of chaos?[[Special:Contributions/96.44.92.186|96.44.92.186]] ([[User talk:96.44.92.186|talk]]) 00:56, June 25, 2013 (UTC) 

When fiber jar is destroy by battle by other monster except dark magician of chaos, it return itself to the deck because fiber jar is treated has being on the field at the same time has being in the graveyard, While when fiber jar is destroy by battle by dark magician of chaos, fiber jar is treated as being on the field and the banish zone at the same time, since fiber jar effect only effect him on the field in this situation that is why he is not return.[[Special:Contributions/96.44.92.186|96.44.92.186]] ([[User talk:96.44.92.186|talk]]) 00:56, June 25, 2013 (UTC) 

The same thing happen with activated cards that does not stay on the field when activated, they are treated has being on the field and the graveyard at the same time, so you must effect both field and graveyard to return does card to the deck, and it is exactly what fiber jar does.[[Special:Contributions/96.44.92.186|96.44.92.186]] ([[User talk:96.44.92.186|talk]]) 00:56, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

:^ [[Limbo Zone]] --<span style="font:10pt 'Bookman Old Style'">[[User:FredCat100/Smily Faces|<span style="color:#000">i</span>]][[User:FredCat100|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">F</span>]][[User talk:FredCat100#top|<span style="color:#000">r</span>]][[User:FredCat100/friends|<span style="color:#000">e</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Ruling List|<span style="color:#000">d</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Disambiguation|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">C</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Research|<span style="color:#000">a</span>]][[Special:Contributions/FredCat100|<span style="color:#000">t</span>]]</span> 01:08, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Does a flip effect activated if it's flip summoned is negated by solemen's judgment?[[Special:Contributions/96.44.92.186|96.44.92.186]] ([[User talk:96.44.92.186|talk]]) 01:52, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
:Does the effect of "[[Black Rose Dragon]]" activated if her Synchro Summon was negated by "[[Solemn Warning]]"? That approve the same reason as that when it was in Limbo Zone. --<span style="font:10pt 'Bookman Old Style'">[[User:FredCat100/Smily Faces|<span style="color:#000">i</span>]][[User:FredCat100|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">F</span>]][[User talk:FredCat100#top|<span style="color:#000">r</span>]][[User:FredCat100/friends|<span style="color:#000">e</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Ruling List|<span style="color:#000">d</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Disambiguation|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">C</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Research|<span style="color:#000">a</span>]][[Special:Contributions/FredCat100|<span style="color:#000">t</span>]]</span> 01:53, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

DexxISBack: If you explanation is true, then why Morphing jar #2 is not return to the deck when it's flip effect activated and morphing jar #2 is destroy by battle, Morphing jar #2 says to shuffle all monsters to the deck?[[Special:Contributions/96.44.92.186|96.44.92.186]] ([[User talk:96.44.92.186|talk]]) 13:28, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
:It's like you're trying to target "[[Man-Eater Bug]]" with his own effect when he got struck by monster's attack. Either would be for "Mystical Space Typhoon" on itself. --<span style="font:10pt 'Bookman Old Style'">[[User:FredCat100/Smily Faces|<span style="color:#000">i</span>]][[User:FredCat100|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">F</span>]][[User talk:FredCat100#top|<span style="color:#000">r</span>]][[User:FredCat100/friends|<span style="color:#000">e</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Ruling List|<span style="color:#000">d</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Disambiguation|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">C</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Research|<span style="color:#000">a</span>]][[Special:Contributions/FredCat100|<span style="color:#000">t</span>]]</span> 13:44, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

:It's just as I said. If the monster is already decided to be destroyed, it cannot be sent anywhere other than the Graveyard, except through an effect that specifically says it goes somewhere else, for example Macro Cosmos, DMoC, so you cannot send Morphing Jar #2's effect to send itself to the Deck when attacked and determined to be destroyed. The only reason this post exists is because Fiber Jar was ruled previously to go against those rules(nice job Upper Deck) and was never changed because of its place on the banlist. [[User:DexxIsBack|DexxIsBack]] ([[User talk:DexxIsBack|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DexxIsBack|contribs]]) 04:12, June 29, 2013 (UTC)