Editing Forum:Negating Effects & Union

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So I was reading the Iron Call and had come up with a question Concerning it negatation of effects. does this prevent the use of "Union" Since its an effect mostly relevent to effect of its types?

IE: Heavy Mech Support Platform special summons can it union with machines still or not? and why? since Union is and effect and a Type I dont quite Understand why it should. [[User:LeonMagnum|LeonMagnum]] ([[User talk:LeonMagnum|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LeonMagnum|contribs]]) 08:13, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

: The type "Union monster" is just there for the [[List of Union monster support cards|support cards]].
: Equipping is an effect, it will be negated.
: <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 08:27, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

So its still a monster & a spell Equip card at the same time while its union'd? or do the effect of Unequiping itself come as the effect of it being the Equip spell card? does/would this start a chain? [[User:LeonMagnum|LeonMagnum]] ([[User talk:LeonMagnum|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LeonMagnum|contribs]]) 09:17, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

So then VWXYZ's Contact fusion can use the Union'd monsters for its material?
And An Effect like effect Veiler would also be able to negate which part of the union monster even thou the card still calls itself both Spell and Monster? [[User:LeonMagnum|LeonMagnum]] ([[User talk:LeonMagnum|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LeonMagnum|contribs]]) 09:34, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

: Equipping is a monster ignition effect. Unequipping is a Spell ignition-like effect.
: [[Ignition]]/[[Ignition-like]] effects both start a chain.
: It is treated only as a Spell (not a monster) while it is in the Spell/Trap Zone.
: [[VWXYZ-Dragon Catapult Cannon]] says "by removing from play the above '''cards''' you control", not "above monsters" so you can use them while they are Spells.
: <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 09:39, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

So Effect Veiler cant Target Union'd Monsters then? Or Only Effect Monsters such as Armory Arm? since its not a Union but an Effect monster? (sorry Im not trying to argue Im just looking for some Awnsers) [[User:LeonMagnum|LeonMagnum]] ([[User talk:LeonMagnum|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LeonMagnum|contribs]]) 09:47, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

After Carefully reading Heavy Mech support Platform & Armory arm theyve got similar Effects but Armory arm dosnt contain Union in its type or does it say to be treated as a spell card but does say Effect? so would Effect Veiler be able to target Armory Arm? [[User:LeonMagnum|LeonMagnum]] ([[User talk:LeonMagnum|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LeonMagnum|contribs]]) 09:55, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

: When it is equipped, as I have said, it is not treated as a monster '''at all''' it is only a Spell card, so [[Effect Veiler]] cannot be used on them.
: When it is a monster (not equipped), Effect Veiler can be used as they are [[Effect Monster]]s.
: It's still no. The only difference is the [[List of Union monster support cards|Union support cards]] do not work on [[Armory Arm]].
: <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 10:48, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

if they're not Monsters then how would that effect the Contact Fusion of Chimeratech Fortress Dragon? would they still be usable as monster material? [[Special:Contributions/70.65.231.252|70.65.231.252]] ([[User talk:70.65.231.252|talk]]) 11:26, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

: It's the same as the ruling at [[Card Rulings:Chimeratech Fortress Dragon]] which says: "''You may send "Cyber Dragon" equipped to "Relinquished" to the Graveyard to Special Summon "Chimeratech Fortress Dragon". If a Machine-Type Monster is equipped to "Relinquished", you cannot send it to the Graveyard to Special Summon "Chimeratech Fortress Dragon", since while equipped to "Relinquished" monsters do not have Types.''"
: <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 11:37, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

ok, I get that. How about If proto Cyber or if CyberDragon Zwei(after the effect of revealing a spell) was under the control of the Reliquished? [[Special:Contributions/70.65.231.252|70.65.231.252]] ([[User talk:70.65.231.252|talk]]) 12:06, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

: No, monsters treated as Spell Cards do not have effects (unless the card says it does, like Unions and Armory Arm).
: <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 12:19, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much got some much needed Awnsers for some very Unique Situations that have Occured for me. [[User:LeonMagnum|LeonMagnum]] ([[User talk:LeonMagnum|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LeonMagnum|contribs]]) 12:39, February 25, 2013 (UTC)