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You must be new to Yugioh; if a card specifies a specific aspect of another card (such as card type, stats, etc.), and the card is face-down, then the first card CANNOT work on the second, since the second card cannot be verified as having the aspects required for the first card's effect. This is why equip cards and other cards that affect a monster's effect or stats or name no longer applies whenever it's flipped face-down (and why equip cards are destroyed, as a result); because the target is no longer able to be verified as a viable target. The ruling for Lightforce Sword applies for all of the examples you mentioned, as face-down cards cannot be verified by the opponent to be a specific card type, or have a specific name, etc. If it can't be verified, it can't be affected. To my knowledge, the only cards that can return face-down banished cards to play are Necroface, Primal Seed, and E-Hero Electrum, because they don't specify. | You must be new to Yugioh; if a card specifies a specific aspect of another card (such as card type, stats, etc.), and the card is face-down, then the first card CANNOT work on the second, since the second card cannot be verified as having the aspects required for the first card's effect. This is why equip cards and other cards that affect a monster's effect or stats or name no longer applies whenever it's flipped face-down (and why equip cards are destroyed, as a result); because the target is no longer able to be verified as a viable target. The ruling for Lightforce Sword applies for all of the examples you mentioned, as face-down cards cannot be verified by the opponent to be a specific card type, or have a specific name, etc. If it can't be verified, it can't be affected. To my knowledge, the only cards that can return face-down banished cards to play are Necroface, Primal Seed, and E-Hero Electrum, because they don't specify. | ||
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| + | Why this is true than when you can target a face-down monster with, say... Diamond Dire Wolf's effect is that the field has separate zones for monsters and spell and trap cards; even if it's face down, you're fairly certain that a card in the Monster Card Zone is, in fact, a monster. The banished zone, though, like the graveyard, doesn't have a distinction between where monsters, spells, and traps go, they're all lumped together into one big pile. Therefore, the only way of verifying what card type a card is in that case is by having them face-up, so the opponent can look at them and see for themselves that yes, it has the iconic border of a monster, spell, or trap. If the card, therefore, is face-down in that zone, there's no way of verifying what it is, other than a generic card, so anything that specifies a particular aspect of a card in the game other than "generic card" won't be able to verify it has that aspect, and thus, that it's a viable target. | ||
I can't say for certain if there's an official statement about this in a rulebook or whatnot, but it's fairly common knowledge and can be seen when talking about other, similar rulings, like banishing an Elemental Dragon with Different Dimension Capsule (face-down) vs. with Gold Sarcophagus (face-up). The reason why it's not mentioned in every ruling for every card affected is that it's not necessary; any question regarding it can be answered by looking for similar scenarios. | I can't say for certain if there's an official statement about this in a rulebook or whatnot, but it's fairly common knowledge and can be seen when talking about other, similar rulings, like banishing an Elemental Dragon with Different Dimension Capsule (face-down) vs. with Gold Sarcophagus (face-up). The reason why it's not mentioned in every ruling for every card affected is that it's not necessary; any question regarding it can be answered by looking for similar scenarios. | ||
| − | I hope that helps you. [[User:Vorpal Storm Pony|Vorpal Storm Pony]] ([[User talk:Vorpal Storm Pony|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vorpal Storm Pony|contribs]]) | + | I hope that helps you. [[User:Vorpal Storm Pony|Vorpal Storm Pony]] ([[User talk:Vorpal Storm Pony|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vorpal Storm Pony|contribs]]) 03:04, November 1, 2013 (UTC) |
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Sorry, but your logic is faulty.
You must be new to Yugioh; if a card specifies a specific aspect of another card (such as card type, stats, etc.), and the card is face-down, then the first card CANNOT work on the second, since the second card cannot be verified as having the aspects required for the first card's effect. This is why equip cards and other cards that affect a monster's effect or stats or name no longer applies whenever it's flipped face-down (and why equip cards are destroyed, as a result); because the target is no longer able to be verified as a viable target. The ruling for Lightforce Sword applies for all of the examples you mentioned, as face-down cards cannot be verified by the opponent to be a specific card type, or have a specific name, etc. If it can't be verified, it can't be affected. To my knowledge, the only cards that can return face-down banished cards to play are Necroface, Primal Seed, and E-Hero Electrum, because they don't specify.
Why this is true than when you can target a face-down monster with, say... Diamond Dire Wolf's effect is that the field has separate zones for monsters and spell and trap cards; even if it's face down, you're fairly certain that a card in the Monster Card Zone is, in fact, a monster. The banished zone, though, like the graveyard, doesn't have a distinction between where monsters, spells, and traps go, they're all lumped together into one big pile. Therefore, the only way of verifying what card type a card is in that case is by having them face-up, so the opponent can look at them and see for themselves that yes, it has the iconic border of a monster, spell, or trap. If the card, therefore, is face-down in that zone, there's no way of verifying what it is, other than a generic card, so anything that specifies a particular aspect of a card in the game other than "generic card" won't be able to verify it has that aspect, and thus, that it's a viable target.
I can't say for certain if there's an official statement about this in a rulebook or whatnot, but it's fairly common knowledge and can be seen when talking about other, similar rulings, like banishing an Elemental Dragon with Different Dimension Capsule (face-down) vs. with Gold Sarcophagus (face-up). The reason why it's not mentioned in every ruling for every card affected is that it's not necessary; any question regarding it can be answered by looking for similar scenarios.
I hope that helps you. Vorpal Storm Pony (talk • contribs) 03:04, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
