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== Signer Dragons vs. Five Dragons ==
I really think there sould should have been some discussion before this page was moved from Five Dragons to Signer Dragons. Now that we actually know that 5D's stands for Five Dragons, is Five Dragons not the more official term for them? -- [[User:Deltaneos|Deltaneos]] ([[User talk:Deltaneos|talk]]) 20:44, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
:The '''5D's''' in the title seems to give the term '''Five Dragons''' plenty of merit, but what sources use the term '''Signer Dragons''' ? Ultimately, we are looking for the official collective term for these Monsters. -- [[User:Melik el-Al'ab|Al-Malik]] [[User talk:Melik el-Al'ab|ملك الألعاب]] 23:17, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
::Well the point Del is trying to make is that all six dragons are used by the Signers, but only five exist at a time. So at this conclusion I think Signer is the better title, but if we make it five dragons I think we need to include "previous" dragons section. [[User:D.Kaiser|D.Kaiser]] ([[User talk:D.Kaiser|Talk]] <small>•</small> [[:Special:Contributions/D.Kaiser|Contribs]] <small>•</small> [[:Special:EditCount/D.Kaiser|Count]]) 07:18, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
:*If the members are somehow interchangable in another way, then '''Signer Dragons''' (or whichever title does not imply number) would be a title and '''Five Dragons''' would be a subtitle, with explanation of the definition and role of the '''Five Dragons''' as a team as opposed to the larger '''Signer Dragons''' as a group.
:*At any rate, I believe it should be noted that both the "[[Fifth Dragon]]" (perhaps it should be renamed in "Unkown Signer Dragon" or something?) and [[Blackfeather Dragon]] are placed as the "Fifth Member" one way or another, and that more information will most likely be revleaed in the future. This seems to be a temporary dilemma until the fiction explores this fully. -- [[User:Melik el-Al'ab|Al-Malik]] [[User talk:Melik el-Al'ab|ملك الألعاب]] 08:37, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
::*How can the dragons change if they are known to be the same ones that battled thousands of years ago. ? Goodwin also said that the Dragons choose their signers, so how could the dragon change from the one we've seen in so many flashbacks to the blackfeather dragon. There has to be a plot hole somewhere. We should just chose choose to leave it as it is with the five dragons '''NOT''' including BFD.--[[User:Tapper930|Tapper930]] 22:37, February 25, 2010 (UTC):::* If I remember correctly, [[Tenzen Yanagi]] mentions that they change throughout time. Also, a lot of the beliefs in YGO have something to do with destiny so if could be that [[PiersonRobert Pearson]] was just a vessel for Crow to get BFD. [[User:D.Kaiser|D.Kaiser]] ([[User talk:D.Kaiser|Talk]] <small>•</small> [[:Special:Contributions/D.Kaiser|Contribs]] <small>•</small> [[:Special:EditCount/D.Kaiser|Count]]) 01:55, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
::::*Except he meant going from Creature to Card Form not completely CHANGED in their Appearance and if they did, then why didn't the other 4 change any? Also, it is not known that [[Robert Pearson]] knew of the Signers not to mention he would have zero knowledge of Crow ever becoming a Signer. Also, the Crimson Dragon nor Crow's Marking had ZERO to do with unlocking BFD, it was Crows feelings about the children and helping them that would finally unlock the Compartment.[[User:Altyrell|Altyrell]] 02:56, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
:::::*Again, I suggested the fact that Pearson may be a vessel for fate, in which case he wouldn't know and there could be many reasons why the dragons change appearance throughout time, but then again I'm not going to make pointless speculations or theories when they are irrelevant to the debate. We know there are six dragons and probably five at a time. We can probably document them in one or two ways: a) Under Signer Dragons where all could be list and there could be a section on the current "5Ds" and the past "5Ds", which in this case is everyone but BFD and the 5th D or b) Do the same thing but with the Five Dragons and have a section being "previous" five dragons. The way I see it all six are SIGNER dragons but they only exist five at a time in which case FIVE is a narrower sub group than SIGNER. So I think that option "a" would be better. [[User:D.Kaiser|D.Kaiser]] ([[User talk:D.Kaiser|Talk]] <small>•</small> [[:Special:Contributions/D.Kaiser|Contribs]] <small>•</small> [[:Special:EditCount/D.Kaiser|Count]]) 04:00, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
