Talk:Heavy Metal King

Like REBMD and Metalzoa

Why are people insistant that this was an actual card that is Summoned like "Metalzoa" and "Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon"? There was no in-show evidence to back that up. Justing listing its effect "When this card attacks, this card gains ATK equal to half of the ATK of its attack target." and stating that it was "Musician King" affected by "Metalmorph" covers exactly what we were shown in the show and contains no guesses. It's really just "Musician King" equipped with "Metalmorph". the only thing is they gave it a name. Even if that is wrong, using the above doesn't necessarily imply that it is.

However to say it was a card like "REBMD" and "Metalzoa" introduces the following problems:

• Mainly, it was never stated to be.
• Johnny would have Summoned it during Yugi's turn. This cannot be done with "REBMD" and "Metalzoa". (Also it would have caused a replay, but the anime tends to ignore rules like this).
• When it didn't destroy "Dark Magician", Yugi explained that "Metalmorph" only raises the equipped monster's ATK while its attacking, suggesting it was still a monster equipped with "Metalmorph".

-- Deltaneos (talk) 10:53, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

• REBMD and Metalzoa were never "stated to be" either.
• Again, the anime ignored these rules in Metalmorph's previous appearance.
• Probably referring to the fact that that's basically what the Heavy Metal King card is -- Musician King with more ATK and Metalmorph's effect. Again, I'm pretty sure this happened during Keith and Jonouchi's duel. — This unsigned comment was made by 70.138.173.160 (talk • contribs) 06:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

"Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon" and "Metalzoa" have been stated to be real cards. It says it on their real life cards. However in the manga and anime "Metalzoa" and "REBMD" were not originally actual cards. Why would Joey have even had a "Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon" card in his Deck? It's the same case with "Thousand Dragon" and "Dark Sage". They were not actual cards when they first appeared. They were "Baby Dragon" and "Dark Magician" affected by "Time Wizard". In the OCG they made them seperate cards to make them more compatable with the rules. (I know the anime did show a "Metalzoa" card in Keith's flashbacks, but that was because the anime had been made after the OCG cards had been made. Same with them making "Time Wizard" and "Copycat" monsters, although they used them as Spell Cards.)

It ignored those rules in "Metalmorph's" previous appearance because it wasn't Summoning monsters from the Deck back then either. As I said above "REBMD" and "Metalzoa" were not originally seperate cards either.

Since "Heavy Metal King" has not been released as a real card or a video game card, we must document how it worked in the anime/manga, rather than approximate "if they made this a real card, it would probably work like this...".

How could the last point have happened in Joey and Keith's Duel? "Metalmorph" didn't give them the ATK increasing effect. -- Deltaneos (talk) 09:43, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Regarding this edit summary. They have done it plenty of times. Not always by equipping cards to a monster, but applying other effects to it. Including all of the following; "Harpie Lady Sisters", "Thousand Dragon", "Gate Guardian", "Dark Sage", the Toons and the Legendary Dragon combinations. Although all that have been released in the OCG have been changed. Some (such as the Toons and "Gate Guardian") have been changed at later points in the anime. -- Deltaneos (talk) 09:57, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

All of those are real cards. Heavy Metal King should be no exception. REBMD and Metalzoa were not stated to be real cards in the anime.