Forum:Cyber end dragon is almost impossible now

i read an article on the net about the japanise ban list 4 september n it sed that cyber dragon will be limted to 1 omg does this mean that cyber end is dead or would u hav 2 ott ur deck wiv proto's??? wot do u think???Darkness by death 08:40, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

• Other than silly OTKs (which were generally outclassed by Ultimate Golem), Cyber End Dragon never really was alive to begin with. Danny Lilithborne 08:42, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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NO IT IS NOT DEAD IF CYBER DRAGON IS LIMITED TO ONE PER DECK USE CARDS LIKE (THE LIGHT HEX SEALED FUSION) TO SUBSTITUTE FOR YOUR FUSION MONSTERS

sorry...

Sorry but Cyber-End Dragon's effect says that it can't be fusion summoned with subtitutes so the only cards you can really use with it are Proto-Cyber Dragons and thats pretty hard because they have to be on the field to get teir effect.Monarch1 02:42, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Except Hex Sealed Fusion can summon Cyber End Dragon with its effect. Danny Lilithborne 02:48, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I always liked Cyber Twin Dragon better anyway. That double attack was lethal. But it's true, the whole Cyber Dragon line has come under fire--almost every easy way to get it onto the field has slowly and surely been limited or forbidden. Oh, well. Guess I'll just use Ultimate Golem if I want incredible piercing. Speedball 04:53, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Who is right?

I'm getting a lot of conflicting opinions on this page so I want to know: Can you use the effect of The Light-Hex Sealed Fusion to have it count as fusion material. Also to Danny: I'm offended. As a proud Cyber Dragon Duelist I don't really like you insulting one of my favorite monsters. Finally, does anybody know if Cyber Dragon Zwei is coming to TCG soon I need to know soon. Thanks. ArkSlayer 23:18, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

If a card says "A Fusion Summon of this card can only be conducted with the above Fusion Material Monsters.", then you can't use any form of Fusion Substitutes for it. Cyber Dragon Zwei will be released in Absolute Powerforce, so just check that page for more. --Blue (Talk) 23:27, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

That's right, there's many way to exchange the loss piece for Cyber End Dragon, King of the Swamp, Zwei, Proto, etc that could make up for those two missing spot. --FredCat100 23:31, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Cyber End Dragon's text says "A Fusion Summon of this card can only be conducted with the above Fusion Material Monsters.", so you cannot use things like King of the Swamp. Phantom of Chaos, Proto-Cyber Dragon, Cyber Dragon Zwei, and Elemental Hero Prisma would be allowed, though, since their names can be changed to Cyber Dragon. --Blue (Talk) 23:37, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

The card text on Cyber End Dragon does say "A Fusion Summon of this card can only be conducted with the above Fusion Material Monsters," meaning it can only be Fusion Summoned with 3 Cyber Dragons OR cards that allow you to have a monsters name treated as Cyber Dragon such as Cyber Dragon Zwei. Monsters that have "You can substitute this card for any 1 Fusion Material Monster" cannot be used since Cyber End Dragon can only be Fusion Summoned with Cyber Dragon + Cyber Dragon + Cyber Dragon. However, Cyber End Dragon as well as Cyber Twin Dragon can be Special Summoned with the effects of Summoner of Illusions. The only time you would be able to use the effect of The Light - Hex-Sealed Fusion is if you use its second effect of Tributing Fusion Material Monsters including The Light - Hex-Sealed Fusion. --Superpower91 00:24, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

SuperPower91 is right since the Hex's second effect is not a fusion summon.--Helix-king 12:03, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Cyber Dragon Zwei

You are all mistaken. Cyber End Dragon will be playable once Cyber Dragon Zwei is released. All it takes is Call of the Haunted, Inferno Reckless Summon, and your preferred fusion card. Reveal that fusion card 3 times to have Cyber Dragon Zwei's name become Cyber Dragon, and you have a Cyber End Dragon. DemonGodAsura 23:55, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Hey Messenger, this forum is super old, at the time they were not too far off... but true, true. I even want to throw Zwei in my Vic-Viper deck.--Helix-king 12:53, November 21, 2009 (UTC)