Editing Forum:Exiled force, lonefire + skill drain

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Hello,

The rulings for [[Exiled Force]] say it can use effect while [[Skill Drain]] is on the field, as it tributes first

Does the same apply for [[Lonefire Blossom]] if it were summoned by [[Debris Dragon]]?

ty-[[User:Resk|Resk]] 13:21, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

:No.  "[[Skill Drain]]" and "[[Debris Dragon]]" are totally different.
:"[[Debris Dragon]]" will negate the effect of the monster as long as the effect activates on the field.  The effect of "[[Lonefire Blossom]]" always activates on the field, so "[[Debris Dragon]]" will always negate it.
:"[[Skill Drain]]" only negates the effect if the monster is face-up on the field when its effect resolves.  If "[[Lonefire Blossom]]" is not face-up on the field - for example, it Tributes itself for its own effect - then "[[Skill Drain]]" will not negate it.
:--[[User:Deus Ex Machina|Deus Ex Machina]] ([[User Talk:Deus Ex Machina|Talk]]) 20:29, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

You CAN use Lonefire Blossom's effect, but only if you Tribute itself for the cost. The same goes for the [[Debris Dragon]] + [[Dandylion]] combo. When Dandylion is sent to the graveyard after being resurrected by Debris Dragon, you will get your two Tokens.--Akiza'sRose66 ~~"Chilling flames engulf this entire world, pitch-dark flower.... Set into bloom!! Synchro Summon! Appear now, Black Rose Dragon! 03:49, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
:[[Lonefire Blossom]]'s effect is an ignition effect that activates on the field. Thus it will be negated by [[Debris Dragon]] since he only cares if the effect is activated on the field regardless where the monster is when the effect resolves. [[Dandylion]] has a trigger effect that activates in the Graveyard, thus it will not be negated by [[Debris Dragon]] since it is not activates on the field. [[User:ATEMVEGETA|<span style="color:red;">ATEMVEGETA</span>]] ([[User_talk:ATEMVEGETA|Talk]]) 08:44, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
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	You CAN use Lonefire Blossom's effect, but only if you Tribute itself for the cost. The same goes for the [[Debris Dragon]] + [[Dandylion]] combo. When Dandylion is sent to the graveyard after being resurrected by Debris Dragon, you will get your two Tokens.--Akiza'sRose66 ~~"Chilling flames engulf this entire world, pitch-dark flower.... Set into bloom!! Synchro Summon! Appear now, Black Rose Dragon! 03:49, October 10, 2009 (UTC)		You CAN use Lonefire Blossom's effect, but only if you Tribute itself for the cost. The same goes for the [[Debris Dragon]] + [[Dandylion]] combo. When Dandylion is sent to the graveyard after being resurrected by Debris Dragon, you will get your two Tokens.--Akiza'sRose66 ~~"Chilling flames engulf this entire world, pitch-dark flower.... Set into bloom!! Synchro Summon! Appear now, Black Rose Dragon! 03:49, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
−	:[[Lonefire Blossom]]'s effect is an ignition effect that activates on the field. Thus it will be negated by [[Debris Dragon]] since he only cares if the effect is activated on the field regardless where the monster is when the effect resolves. [[Dandylion]] has a trigger effect that activates in the Graveyard, thus it will not be negated by [[Debris Dragon]] since it is not ~~activated~~ on the field. [[User:ATEMVEGETA\|<span style="color:red;">ATEMVEGETA</span>]] ([[User_talk:ATEMVEGETA\|Talk]]) 08:45, October 10, 2009 (UTC)	+	:[[Lonefire Blossom]]'s effect is an ignition effect that activates on the field. Thus it will be negated by [[Debris Dragon]] since he only cares if the effect is activated on the field regardless where the monster is when the effect resolves. [[Dandylion]] has a trigger effect that activates in the Graveyard, thus it will not be negated by [[Debris Dragon]] since it is not activates on the field. [[User:ATEMVEGETA\|<span style="color:red;">ATEMVEGETA</span>]] ([[User_talk:ATEMVEGETA\|Talk]]) 08:44, October 10, 2009 (UTC)