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After having my Dark Fusion deck totally thrashed by a Gadget Oppression deck, I've kind of been fascinated by the idea of having my own Gadget Oppression deck.  However, I'm still not completely sure if I want to have that kind of a deck or a Counter Gadget deck because I've been hearing good things about that.  I'd like to know your opinion on which kind of Gadget deck I should run.  Here is an early build of a Gadget Oppression deck that I'm thinking about using:

{{Decklist|Gadget Oppression Deck (40 Cards)
|color = 
|color2 = 
|monsters =
<u>Level 1-4 Monsters</u>
* 1x [[Neo-Spacian Grand Mole]]
* 1x [[Snipe Hunter]]
* 2x [[Giant Rat]]
* 2x [[Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer]]
* 2x [[Legendary Jujitsu Master]]
* 2x [[Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo]]
* 2x [[Green Gadget]]
* 2x [[Red Gadget]]
* 2x [[Yellow Gadget]]
(16 Total Monsters)

|spells =
* 1x [[Fissure]]
* 1x [[Heavy Storm]]
* 1x [[Mystical Space Typhoon]]
* 1x [[Pot of Avarice]]
* 1x [[Smashing Ground]]
* 2x [[Book of Moon]]
* 2x [[Lightning Vortex]]
* 3x [[Shrink]]
(12 total spells)

|traps =
* 1x [[Mirror Force]]
* 2x [[Bottomless Trap Hole]]
* 3x [[Dark Bribe]]
* 3x [[Royal Oppression]]
* 3x [[Solemn Judgment]]
(12 total traps)
}}

Side Deck:
* 2x [[D.D. Crow]]
* 2x [[Exiled Force]]
* 2x [[Kinetic Soldier]]
* 2x [[Karma Cut]]
* 1x [[Trap Dustshoot]]
* 2x [[Mask of Restrict]]
* 2x [[Sakuretsu Armor]]
(13/15 total)

Again, I'd like to know your opinions on which type of Gadget deck I should run, and why you believe I should run that type.  If you think that GO is the way to go, then what changes can I make to this deck to maximize my chances of winning?  Thanks!  [[User:Subcontinental86|Subcontinental86]] 00:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I changed the traps around in the deck to include 3x [[Dark Bribe]] and 3x [[Solemn Judgment]].  Out of those 6 I only have 1 Solemn, but I may be able to get my hands on the other five soon. I took out the [[Limiter Removal]] because this deck isn't supposed to focus on going for an OTK.  I am considering throwing in a 3rd set of each Gadget to make a Fifth Gadget Oppression deck, or maybe you can help me decide on which cards to take out so that I can run a 40 card deck.  Thanks!  [[User:Subcontinental86|Subcontinental86]] 17:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

==Made Plenty of Changes==

I took out a few things that didn't quite make much sense in a Gadget Oppression deck (ex. Monster Reborn).  I took out the [[Dark Bribe]]s because I think [[Solemn Judgment]] will be enough at the moment.  The Bribes were replaced with [[Mirror Force]] and [[Sakuretsu Armor]].  I would use [[Dimensional Prison]] instead, but that's a little hard to come by for me.  Also I've been thinking about taking out [[Blue Thunder T-45]] for [[D.D. Assailant]] since the tokens wouldn't get summoned with [[Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo]] on the field.  I also replaced [[Heavy Storm]] with [[Giant Trunade]] seeing as how I'd be destroying my own [[Royal Oppression]]s with Heavy.  The deck is still 42 cards, but I think that's a pretty good number.  Please tell me what you think, and how I can improve it.  Thanks!  [[User:Subcontinental86|Subcontinental86]] 22:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

== Chamges ==

U can try replacing fosil dyna for d.d crow as ur oppression can most likely seal special summonings.
The 2 sakuretsu can be replaced by 1 torrential and 1 more oppression.
Moreover, I, being a GO user I prefer to add heavy storm than trunade as i have 3 copies of oppression thus i can sacrify
but be warned although GO is good it is hard to win a tourney as GO lacks drawing powers.
The 2 enemy controllers can be replaced by monster reborn and brain control as it is more practical.
I will be watching tis page hope will try to help u as much as possible !!! [[User:Crystal88884]] 07:31, 21 Aug 2008 {UTC}

:*Hi, I am still kinda new to gadget decks too (made decklist but still missing few cards before I can test >.<). I kept it rather simple and did 14 monsters (3 of each gadget, 3 fossil dyna, grand mole, and snipe hunter), 14 spells (3 shrink, 2 book of moon, 2 avarice, 1 fissure, 1 hammer shot, 1 heavy storm, 1 limiter removal, 1 mst, 1 nobleman of crossout, 1 smashing) and 12 traps (3 bribe, 3 oppression, 3 solemn, 2 bottomless, 1 mirror force). I wanted it to be a very annoying deck so I did 3 bribe and 3 solemn =P was thinking of maybe adding 1 or 2 Giant Rats to deck, since oppression can’t negate in damage step and they can search fossil dyna, mole, or a gadget. I would suggest to try a 3rd oppression, the rest seems good. [[User:BioMasterZap|Bio]] 16:23, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

== Another Oppression it is ==
I'll put in another [[Royal Oppression]] since I am having a hard time with the Oppression part so far.  I guess with three of those, I can certainly afford to use [[Heavy Storm]] instead of [[Giant Trunade]].  Bio, the fact that you have only 14 monsters seems is a little striking to me.  How well does that work?  I would imagine that it's pretty hard have a constant supply of monsters if you don't get a gadget on your first draw.  Generally I'm not a huge fan of [[Pot of Avarice]], but I'll test it out thoroughly before completely getting rid of the idea.  I'll probably take out one [[Drillroid]] since he seems a bit too situational at the moment.  Also, I'm going to on vacation for a week, so keep up the suggestions while I'm gone.  Thanks! [[User:Subcontinental86|Subcontinental86]] 03:55, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

* [[Legendary Jujitsu Master]] is a great card to add. And 3 copies of each Gadget is necessary too. [[User:SuperTeddy|SuperTeddy]] 05:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I recommand burden of the mighty as it is quite gd wif all its decrease in att power for the opponent monsters.
U can try replacing drillroid for exiled force or d.d assilant as they either commander higher att or is more pratical for destroying opponent monster.
Furthermore, i think trapdust shoot and mind crush could be added to either side deck or to main deck.I think u can more or less focus more on ur side deck now as ur deck is near completed. [[User: Crystal88884]] 06:50, 22 AUG 2008(UTC)

ur deck needs d.d crow to counter most metagamers. [[User: Crystal88884]] 01:04, 2 sept 2008(UTC)

==Back from Vacation==
Alright I made some changes to the deck:
* -2x [[Drillroid]]
* -1x [[Lightning Vortex]]
* -1x [[Giant Trunade]]
* -1x [[Bottomless Trap Hole]]
* -2x [[Sakuretsu Armor]]
* +1x [[Exiled Force]]
* +1x [[Hammer Shot]]
* +1x [[Heavy Storm]]
* +1x [[Royal Oppression]]
* +3x [[Dark Bribe]]

I also added a Side Deck, but I still need to work on that.  I'll try this build out and see how it works against my friends.  Keep the comments/suggestions coming!  Thanks! [[User:Subcontinental86|Sub]] 15:19, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Can repost ur new deck ? Tat will allow easier suggestion to be made.[[User:Crystal88884|Crystal88884]] 12:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

* The list was updated when I made my previous post.  [[User:Subcontinental86|Sub]] 13:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

* Where are the d.d crows? [[User:Crystal88884|Crystal88884]] 12:09, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
**I didn't put my side deck in correctly when I updated last time.  You'll see 2x [[D.D. Crow]] in the Side Deck. [[User:Subcontinental86|Sub]] 14:27, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

* Y did u remove ur vortex? I tink it is better than exiled forces as u r using a gadget deck and hav lots of sparable cards to discard while exiled can onli destroy 1 monster as compared to vortex. Furthermore , exiled nids to be summoned. [[User:Crystal88884|Crystal88884]] 15:52, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

add 3 giant rats, 3 gaia power.[[User:Thedefender|Thedefender]] 18:54, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Alright I replaced [[Exiled Force]] with [[Don Zaloog]], and put back in the second [[Lightning Vortex]].  I took out a [[Dark Bribe]], but that's because I ended up not getting that third one.  [[Giant Rat]] would be a bad idea because the point of this deck is to prevent ALL special summons.  I would like to use [[Burden of the Mighty]], but what should I take out to fit that in the deck? [[User:Subcontinental86|-- Sub]] 00:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

* Remove 2 book of moon to add don zalog or exiled forces or burden of mighty. [[User:Crystal88884|Crystal88884]] 05:51, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

* Oh ya phoenix wing wind blast is a great card too. [[User:Crystal88884|Crystal88884]] 05:52, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

* U need torrential tribute and monster reborn and a brain control. Hammer shot can also be replaced with smashing ground. [[User:Crystal88884|Crystal88884]] 14:09, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:* [[Torrential Tribute]] becomes a bit of a burden with all the [[Stardust Dragon]] play, and it never really worked well in my Gadget deck anyway.  I'll be using [[Karma Cut]] instead of [[Phoenix Wing Wind Blast]] because I don't have one. [[Smashing Ground]] is already in there, and since it is limited to one per deck I will stick with [[Hammer Shot]]. [[Exiled Force]]s will stay in my Side Deck for now.  [[User:Subcontinental86|-- Sub]] 17:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

*Sorry I never posted back sooner. I still never got around to testing gadget deck, but having 9 gadgets in a 40 card decks makes it so every 5 cards I would draw a gadget, so should have one on first turn. Also giant rat I was thinking of adding into my deck, since royal oppression cannot negate it since it summons during the damage step. It would be a easy way to pull out Dyna, a Gadget, and Grand Mole. Also wouldn’t Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer and Banisher of the Radiance kinda clash? [[User:BioMasterZap|Bio]] 19:23, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:* I completely forgot that Oppression doesn't work for special summons during the damage step...so I guess I could use two [[Giant Rat]]s. I probably will take out [[Banisher of the Radiance]] because he doesn't always work too well for myself. I'll go for the third set of gadgets, take out the Banishers and probably the Blue Thunders. I'll throw in a [[Pot of Avarice]] as well.  I've managed to cut this deck down to 40 cards, so tell me what you think of it now. I was wondering if it would be a good idea to throw in the two [[Enemy Controller]]s I used to use in there to make it 42, but I'll test it out first. I could instead throw in the [[Don Zaloog]] and another [[Pot of Avarice]]. It seems as if I won't be able to grab the two [[Burden of the Mighty]], so I'll have to take that out. Thanks for all the advice! Stay tuned for more... [[User:Subcontinental86|-- Sub]] 21:42, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

*Maybe add hyper hammer head as ur rats can search for it and it can help u to sent back opponent monsters. Maybe u r right tat banisher and kycoo contradicts but banishsher will sent all cards to grave and it counters most metagame decks like lightsworn and DAD. Lightsworn mill quite fast so i tink banisher of randiance is good at here though but against DAD kycoo will help more as one of its effect prevents cards in grave from being out of play.[[User:Crystal88884|Crystal88884]] 08:11, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

*Btw I still dislike the idea of 3 sets of gadgets as u will surely have bad draws like 2-3 gadgets in the starting hand so i suggest 2 set will do .[[User:Crystal88884|Crystal88884]] 08:35, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

*Hmm, Kycoo or Banisher is hard decision. Kycoo has higher attack, stop cards from being removed from play, and can remove cards from play when it dose damage. So it can stop DaD from using its effect and easily mess up its amount if they don’t get 3 in 1 turn. You can also remove lightsworn with different names from play, so can slow Judgment dragon a lot. Also to remove a GB would hurt a lot and Kycoo can deal with monarchs better (stops remove from play monarch and destroys treeborn frog). Banisher is weaker, but would stop all decks listed but remove from play monarch, which it may help lol. Banisher also stops you from using Avarice. So I would pick Kycoo for sure. You may want to replace 1 lightning with another card, hammer shot maybe? Also 3 Burden of the Mighty may work nicely. A third Dyna may help, not sure. Another card I have considered has been [[Mormolith]], might work nice as a side deck card. [[Injection Fairy Lily]] would also be a lot of fun, low attack and earth. Probably getting off strategy a bit now... Oh well lol. [[User:BioMasterZap|Bio]] 12:24, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:* Ok, I have to agree with Crystal on the 3 sets of Gadgets. I proxied this deck last night, and found myself in a "Gadget Lock" with most of my starting hands. Three sets of Gadgets just aren't needed for this deck.  Also, does Blue Thunder's effect take place during the damage step? If so, I think it would be best to take out a full set of Gadgets throw in two Blue Thunders and one Don Zaloog.  Do you think two [[Burden of the Mighty]] is enough? I can go slightly over my budget and get three, but do you believe two would be enough? Also, with three Solemns in there I don't see myself using [[Injection Fairy Lily]] to her best ability.  [[User:Subcontinental86|-- Sub]] 14:27, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

::* “"Blue Thunder T-45's" effect activates at the end of the Damage Step, when the monster destroyed by battle is sent to the Graveyard.” Guess not =P You could still add it if you wanted to, since if you had oppression on field you opponent would need to pay 800 life points each time it attempts to special summon. That cost builds up fast if you a card like Blue Thunder T-45, since it can summon a lot. As for gadgets, I don’t see how extra are ever a bad thing lol. You can them use for snipe hunter or such. I still haven’t got around to testing though, so I will take your word that it should be two sets. Also I am not sure about 2 or 3 burden, I would get three just so you have it if you need it (it isn’t that hard to get in trades even). Also solemns would make lily hard to use, but you could always throw in one for the chaos =P Chances are your opponent will solemn it on summon even, or use lily then solemn so you lose less sorta... Also if you used a 3rd Dark Bribe it would probably help. The Teleport Dark Armed’s Destiny Draw combo can be murder, so bribe is worth it. Combo is use Malicious for D. Draw, get 2 cards, spec sum Malicious, summon Krebons (normal or with teleport), synchro for a level 8. Can’t guarantee to have a Dyna or Oppression before they pull that off. Hope some of this helps. [[User:BioMasterZap|Bio]] 15:51, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

* Try adding a hyper hammerhead for ur rat to summon it out it can act as a grand mole though u still take dmg but u can return ur opponent strongest monster and the best thing is tat it cannot be negated by ur own oppression as summoning occurs at the dmg step.[[User:Crystal88884|Crystal88884]] 12:18, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== Giant Rat ==

I made a new section so it is easier to get to the bottom to see new replies =p Wouldn’t it be better to add a third rat and just search out grand mole then add a hyper hammerhead? Giant rat can be a very powerful card with this deck, and since gadgets’ effect still activate when they are special summoned they work with rat too. Also rat works with legendary jujitsu mater (Mentioned by super teddy) =P [[User:BioMasterZap|Bio]] 12:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I think 2 rat and 1 hyper hammerhead is more than enough anyway, the rat will summon the monster out in attack mode but u can change it to defense later so maybe legendary jujusu master can be used but just limit it to 1-2. [[User:Crystal88884|Crystal88884]] 07:07, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

* Perhaps ur deck lacks torrential if u r getting owned then it will help monster reborn can do the trick if u nid firepower when royal oppression is not on field. [[User:Crystal88884|Crystal88884]] 14:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:* I ended up getting the third [[Dark Bribe]], so I threw that in there.  I took out a full set of Gadgets, threw in the Bribe and two [[Legendary Jujitsu Master]]s. I don't have a [[Hyper Hammerhead]], and while he seems like a pretty good fake Mole I'd rather bust out mole with the [[Giant Rat]]. Torrential will probably be a side deck for now.  [[User:Subcontinental86|-- Sub]] 14:30, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

* Hammerhead is to fool ur opponent into attacking it then u can shrink it also can be a replacement for mole in case ur mole died.[[User:Crystal88884|Crystal88884]] 14:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

[[Dark Bribe]] is not neccesary in this deck, you already have 5 cards to destroy/negate spells and traps. So remove all 3 and add:

* 1 [[Giant Rat]]
* 1 [[Legendary Jujitsu Master]]
* 1 [[Bottomless Trap Hole]]

[[User:SuperTeddy|SuperTeddy]] 05:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

:*Dark bribe is very helpful and is found in most anti meta decks at 3 now along with solemns. Helps to negate things like heavy storm to save your oppression. Also with 3 solemns and 3 dark bribe, you are likely to get one in you opening hand, while if you just had solemns you may not. Dark bribe also has a easier cost, can even use to stop destiny draw in dark armed deck (which dose a lot of good). On the flip side if you where to take out dark bribe I would probably suggest those, may a third Kycoo instead of rat. [[User:BioMasterZap|Bio]] 06:16, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

* I think dark bribe is good as its cost is low. But u were to remove 3 bribes, I would suggest to add in 1 rat and 1 bottomless and 1 torrential tribute. [[User:Crystal88884|Crystal88884]] 08:28, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Gadget Oppression Decks don't have draw power, so the number of possible dead draws needs to be limited. And Bio is right about [[Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer]], but remove [[Pot of Avarice]] to add him. [[User:SuperTeddy|SuperTeddy]] 11:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

* I disagree, If I were to choose to add , I rather add morphing jar. Furthermore, not all draws are dead draw, Gadget hav 1 of the best hand advantage decks and its purpose is to search for gadget and use it to discard for snipe hunter or other card-discarding as cost cards. Thus I disagree with teddy abt the dead draws. Pot is also good if u keep throwing monster to grave thus it might be needed for long battles. [[User:Crystal88884|Crystal88884]] 12:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

* U can remove 2 legendary jujitsu master for 1 more giant rat and 1 morphing jar/hyper hammerhead/kycoo.[[User:Crystal88884|Crystal88884]] 08:48, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Morphing Jar is a bad idea in this deck. It helps the opponent and in this deck you don't get a lot of card advantage either. Pot of Avarice is just weak. GO decks don't have draw power already, so a [[Deck Fattener]] is a bad choice. I also totally disagree with your second post.
Legendary Jujistu Master is needed in this deck. [[User:SuperTeddy|SuperTeddy]] 16:41, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
* I agree with you.  The Jujitsu Masters stay, and I'll take out the [[Pot of Avarice]] for another [[Giant Rat]] or [[Hammer Shot]]. [[User:Subcontinental86|-- Sub]] 21:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

* I tink I understand wat u 2 means but u may nid to recycle ur gadgets when the battle are long and it may exhaust ur hand and deck size. Example of long battles are when u battle against those stall decks and u might nid ur hands to discard for snipe hunter effect and dealt high amount of dmg b4 ur opponent stalls again. I understand that gadget might hav the dead draw thing but overall it is quite strong and I suggest the pot be added atleast in sidedeck. As for the jujitsu master, perhaps it can stay as it has very strong defense which is very useful in certain circumstances like a gadget mirror match or even against galdiator beast deck. [[User:Crystal88884|Crystal88884]] 09:13, 21 September 2008 (UTC)