Forum:Need new ideas for a mill deck

i am building a need/mill deck and i need ideas to speed up the deck

monsters

3x needle worm

3x morphing jar #2

3x hiro's shadow scout

1x morphing jar

1x sangan

1x night assailant

spells

2x hand destruction

3x magical mallets

3x upstart goblin

1x card destruction

1x dark world dealings

3x book of taiyou

2x book of moon

2x the shallow grave

1x messenger of peace

1x swords of revealing light

1x level limit - area b

1x foolish burial

1x monster reborn

traps

3x desert sunlight

1x Gravity Bind

1x waboku

1x mirror force

i basically need better ideas to speed this deck up, be reasonable with pricey cards and please stick with English (USA)cards

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Try Book of Total Solar Eclipse and All-Out Attacks. The reason you should play All-Out Attacks is that after Morphing Jar 2's effect sets the monsters it will cause them to all flip again and if you get another Morphing Jar 2 activate causing a loop so as long as you keep hitting Morphing Jar 2 off Morphing Jar 2's effect it will flip again. 216.101.109.210 01:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

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umm... all out attacks does not work, its effect resolves before morphing jar #2's does... i found that out the hard way ( in a tournament) and i only use cards that are currently in the US.. not Japanese cards.. i would use that card if it was in the US

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Have You ever tried some lightsworn monsters combo'd with zombies to swarm your oppenents, that will also mill through your Deck.

76.201.20.103 08:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

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i have thought about something like that... but my deck already mills itself enough.. if i were to add more mill to mine, i would mill my deck twice as fast as mu opponent

anyone have any new ideas????

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robbin' goblin, gravekeepers servant, bistro butcher, robbin' zombie

* The first replier is referring to something called the "Jar Loop." It's a deck that only works with 4 monster cards and massive draw power spells and traps. 3 Morphing Jar#2s and 1 flip effect card that will do either Burn or Mill. Say, Des Koala or what I use, Needle Worm. Check User:Chris427/Deck Portfolio. It has a Jar Loop deck you can refer to. To make your generic mill deck better, though, you will need 3 Shallow Graves to maximize your Flip Effects. Chris427 19:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

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i know what the jar loop is, me and a friend tried to run a tag team of it in a local tourney, and the all out attack card does not work for it.

on upperdeck the ruling states that effects are not activated, therefore morphing jars effect does not activate and therefore no loop.

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• Yes, it does. I wouldn't say so if it didn't. It works with only 4 monsters though - 3 Morphing Jar #2 and 1 Needle Worm or 1 Poison Mummy. Otherwise, it does not work. So your friend was probably severely mistaken. Chris427 23:46, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

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here is a quote directly from upper deck

ALL-OUT ATTACKS

"All-Out Attacks" starts a Chain whenever a monster is Special Summoned, even if the monster is Special Summoned in Attack Position.

Monsters that are Special Summoned face-down are also changed to face-up Attack Position.

If "All-Out Attacks" is activated when a monster is Special Summoned, its effect is not applied because it must already be face-up on the field at the time the monster is Special Summoned.

link to the page http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/yugioh/en/gameplay/faqs/cardfaqs/default.aspx?first=A&last=C

and it wasnt just a friend, it was the judge from the hobby league tourney

 i am looking around on other web sites, and i think i got screwed at that tourney

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• That's why all-out attacks is activated the turn before you begin your loop. MAJOR "DUH." Read your precious Upperdeck.com more carefully. Don't lecture me. Also for your reading:
  • (From YCM Forums): Info
  • (From TCG Player Forums): Info
  • (From Pojo): Info
  • (From THIS Website): Loop Info

I hope I make myself clear, Mr. Smartypants. It WORKS. Chris427 03:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

and i am not lecturing you, i was stating what the judge told me...

and i said i think i got screwed, implying that i agreed with you