Forum:The New Yu-gi-oh!

Im sorry if i sound like a hater but i want to know if anybody agrees or disagrees with me and what their argument is. I feel that the new yugioh isnt as fun as the old yugioh. i dont really like synchro monsters as i feel that they are a really easy way to bring out powerful monstrs really quick. i prefer the gx generation when you had archetypes but you didnt have all these tuners or synchros. what do you think?

I like the New yugioh, you can really tell when some one is a bad player because they don't like new things since they can't adapt. It kinda filters who I wanna play for me. Exceeds are doin a great job too.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 23:27, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that a player is "bad" because they don't like the new cards. I am a fairly decent player, and I HATE the splashability of Synchros. On the other hand, the GX generation was too focused on the Hero cards, which forced the other cards in the sets to be fairly mediocre, I like the Xuzs for their strategic usages, but I don't want them to be as spammable, either. SynjoDeonecros (talk • contribs) 00:05, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

I do, and did. >:( --Helix-king (talk • contribs) 06:30, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Personally I'd duel those who don't like XYZ and Synchros and use those just to make my opponent mad. The way I see it its like this: GET. OVER. IT. XYZ and Synchros are here to stay. If you don't like them thats fine don't use them. You play your way let everybody else play their own way. The game needs to evolve in order to draw players. Thats means new types of cards will rise up. Who knows maybe a new Spell or Trap type will come out. Garchomp87 (talk • contribs) 03:29, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

I don't disagree with you on that, but my real issue with Synchros and subsequent fear of Xyzs is their splashability; while I'm not against Synchros or Xyzs in the right decks, I think everyone can agree that they pretty much broke the game by making way too many powerful Synchros way too splashable, and with as easy as Xyzs can be to get out, I'm afraid that it might turn out to be the same mistake repeated. Granted, the Xyzs' reliance on detaching their materials to get their effects to work is a lot better cost than many of the Synchros out there (which have very little, if any, cost to them), making them more strategic in their use (since you have to know when to activate their effects for maximum punch, instead of just spamming their effects willy-nilly like Synchros), what's to stop Konami from making an uber-Xyz that completely scraps the competition, like Dark Dive Bomber or the more splashable Signer Dragons were?? That's my concern. SynjoDeonecros (talk • contribs) 14:21, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Exceeds are balanced despite their splashablity since they need Overlay Units while Synchros like Stardust aren't due to infinite use of its effect until it gets killed in battle. The game may need to evolve but if Konami doesn't reduce or fix the powercreep then the game is more boring then it has ever been, all generic synchros need to get an errata so its no more "1 tuner + 1 or more -non-tuner monster" rubbish.

More Boring?! I don't remember the last time i had to waste a hour on a duel cuz I couldn't synchro. I'm having a blast. But I guess a game gets boring when you lose because you won't go with the flow of the game.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 06:43, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Lol, even in the early days no game took over an hour it was 30 mins max so your "assumption" is wrong, of course I don't "go with the flow" and use those broken rubbish, I used my Exceed Samurai deck and vsed those synchro spammers and it was fun, winning was a tad easier but nonetheless it was great. See you don't need to run those broken rubbish generic synchros to win.LDEvolution (talk • contribs) 10:38, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

So your complain about something that doesn't bother you whatsoever, hmm. That's cute. I think your lying and have no such deck, or such victories. And even if you did, leave, because you just admitted you have nothing to do with this.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 17:43, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Card Rules

No comment about the new Yugioh Zexal...

However, I would kind of disagree with people saying synchro is so much easier. Well, not really in my case. BUT exceed is by far much easier than synchro in my opinion. I mean it's so easy to produce to monsters of the same level on the field, especially when you're a beatdown deck. And with just rank 3, you get powerful effects. I wouldn't have to mind rank 6 and up anymore.

IF there would be another new series after Zexal, i would prefer that they shouldn't introduce anymore additional mechanics. Instead, they should probably mix all these summon types in one series. That'll be great!

I must agree with the original idea of this threat. I have a pretty bangin' extra deck of synchros, but i only use them so i can keep up. I dont like how one can get their most powerful card out in 1-2 turns and then bring it back easily. I prefer when the climax of a duel was 5-6 turns in when my opponent fusiones cyber end dragon or five headed dragon. No matter how many times i got screwed by mirrior forcem i think ill always prefer the old yugioh Thedarkdoor (talk • contribs) 04:21, June 19, 2011 (UTC)thedarkdoor

You're all lucky I don't make cards for this game. I've got ideas that would blow your mind and make you wonder what goes on in my head. Garchomp87 (talk • contribs) 04:44, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Are we serious here? Synchro's are the most OP?

I personally think that the Cyber Fusions are the most OP, Specifically Future fusion + Overload fusion. Alboono (talk • contribs) 05:10, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Take a look at the current meta decks and ask "what cards are in their Extra deck, the Cyber fusions or a bunch of generic synchros?" Synchros aren't OP, generic synchros (ones that are 1 tuner + or more non-tuner monsters) are OP take them away and then synchros will be fair and balanced so no more easy summon Biro, stardust, trish. LDEvolution (talk • contribs) 05:51, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

I gotta agree wit what helix said people who dont like syncs and exceeds annoy the hell outta me they're splashable so what? adapt and get used to it if you dont wanna duel syncs or exceeds then stop complainin and find people who share your own ideals to be honest id rather not spend about half an hour to play one game the game has become so much faster because of syncs and hell might even get a lil bit faster and thanks to em a normal match is usualy about 5 to 10 minutes or longer if you and your opponent pretty much kill each others resources and result to top decking lol but the point is stop complaining or adapt and be a GOOD player 99.138.141.138 (talk) 06:18, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

I like this guy ^ --Helix-king (talk • contribs) 06:31, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Lol no one is hating Exceeds actually since alot of players see them as something awesome, its generic synchros they hate so your WHOLE argument falls apart. I own some of the new Exceed cards that I bought from Japan and use them in all my games with my friends and even they admit it makes it more fun and wanted to buy them off me, its the generic synchros that get people worked up because they're too easy to summon and can be stuffed into every deck and then it becomes a spam fest to who can play the most first. If there was no generic synchros then no one would make a big deal of them. LDEvolution (talk • contribs) 10:32, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Leave Stardust and the rest alone already. Not every fucking Synchro needs a certain Tuner. That would cripple them. Bashing them for their splash power isn't cool. Synchro Summon is like Ritual Summon without a damn Ritual card. Last time I checked Ritual Monsters didn't need certain monsters in their summon just level. I personally hope they make more summon types if new Yu-Gi-Oh! Series come out. The haters are going to hate. This means they stand a good chance of being left in the dust of others who evolve their Decks. I said this before and I'll say it again. GET. OVER. IT. The game can't be stuck in the past forever. I'd like them to bring Transformation Summon in the next series if there is one. Garchomp87 (talk • contribs) 18:29, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Garchomp is right, Lightsworn were your last chance to not have a extra deck (When they first came out) Just Get with the game, or leave. It's very simple, don't just stay and whine about how you can't keep up and blame synchroes when YOU are the problem. Synchroes are not broken. People not using them losing to people who moved on only made it seem like they were. --Helix-king (talk • contribs) 18:36, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

What about Dark Strike Fighter and Goyo Guardian? - Silver Glaceon @ 18:42, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Goyo wasn't actually broken, just a great beatstick. As for DSF, considering how quickly he left, I honestly don't think he was meant to stay in the first place. I remeber on one of the Post Prerelease Surveys from Konami asked:

• What do you prefer? Better cards you can use in every deck? Powerful cards for SOME decks. Or VERY powerful cards that get limited immediately.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 23:36, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Its not really about use them or don't. Just don't bitch if you get your ass handed to you by one if you don't play them. Its not comform or quit. It's evolve yourself and be ready for them. Understand that you may have to face one in a duel. There are ways to deal with them and maybe get something for it. You don't have to go full-on Anti Synchro just have some counters. Garchomp87 (talk • contribs) 18:47, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

I like how people are complaing that "OMG new cards are teh brokens!", How many new cards or syncros are on the banlist? Brio, Trish, Goyo, DSF. All of them are control (bard DSF). How many cards from the first 10 or so sets are on the banlist... Many lots. How many of those cards are on said banlist, due to FTKs they caused...?

Basiclly, while syncros have spead the game up, they are still no-where near as broken as some of the earlier cards, due to them being mostly balanced in regardess to their size for the effects they get, or limitations caused by tuners(Barring Shi-En, Hyunali & Trish imoo). Stardust is just -meh- atm.

-Resk (✩) 01:34, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Stardust isn't that great these days. Everyone's playing around it. Against some decks I actually prefer to summon Thought Ruler Archfiend because he protects himself from the cards everyone's playing to get around Stardust: D Prison and Compulse. Granted, he's still vulnerable to Torrential, Dark Hole, and Mirror Force, but he's stronger than Stardust, he juices up your life points, and they typically stop the same number of cards. The game is evolving, and players need to evolve with it. When you look at the top 32 at any YCS, it's not just a netdeck of the previous YCS. The top 32 slots go to payers who are changing it up and evolving the game. Like, many meta decks are now including anti-meta strategies to help them shut down the opposition while still being able to go off. TKRO is seeing increased popularity as a Main Deck card, instead of side where it used to always be. Shi En and Trish are the only broken Synchros right now, and it's pretty much a given that Trish will become Limited, if not Forbidden, in the TCG with the next banlist, since it already is in the OCG. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 16:11, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Shi En isn't a generic Synchro though. While he's broken he doesn't count. Trishula on the other hand does because he's a generic Synchro and only needs two or more non-tuners. Garchomp87 (talk • contribs) 02:42, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

I think for any card game, evolution needs to take place in order to survive. New cards, new types, new effects, keeps people coming back for more. While "old" yugioh! was good, new "yugioh!" combines old and new into a meld of craziness. While people bitch and complain about new cards like Shi En, Trish, Stardust, & Glow-Up Bulb they aren't unbeatable, while the seem broken, they can be overcome. I like yugioh!, past and present, and the near future of the game. While im sad to see Synchros not be printed anymore, i'm excited for "XYZ". Yugioh! keeps things interesting, i think that's why people keep coming back for more. As for me, a long time player, the past is the past, and i look forward to the future. Automation44 (talk • contribs) 05:18, June 24, 2011 (UTC)Automation44

I wanna clarify people: NO ONE said synchroes won't be made anymore the manga is still going and if GX taught us anything, well you get it. I mean, look, they're still comin.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 20:41, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

What about some other cards?

Sure, we get new cards like Synchros and Xyz monsters. But what about normal monsters, equip spell cards, ritual spell cards and ritual monsters? Are they even worth making anymore if top tournament decks don't use them? --184.96.243.242 (talk) 02:20, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

Well it all depends on what they make, at the moment No, there is no point. But soon america will see the Gishki Archetype for rituals, The Vylon for Equips, and Rabbi-Dragon might.... I dunno. It just depends.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 02:37, June 27, 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to see the rebirth of Union Monsters. Garchomp87 (talk • contribs) 03:44, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

Lol, You know that Machina deck was actually a "Union Deck" lol. But yeah I know how you feel. Unions are my secret fave.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 07:49, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

I mean more generic Unions. Low level and can equip to any monster. Garchomp87 (talk • contribs) 03:17, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I know, But it just seams like Machines do it best (Prob. because only they get good ones) Anyway, thank God Dragunities are not unions.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 18:01, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

But will Konami even bother making these cards if they know people don't use them competitively. If they make these cards that no one uses, they don't make as much money after all. --184.96.243.242 (talk) 20:00, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

The damn Dragunities SHOULD have been Unions. Garchomp87 (talk • contribs) 20:03, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

NO. That... that.. no.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 08:49, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

It would make a hell of alot of sense if they were. Have them able to equip instead of having other effects do it. No different than Dark Blade's two monsters. I would have done the Dragunities alot different if I made them. Garchomp87 (talk • contribs) 19:06, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind union Dragunity. BUT. NO. TUNERS. --Helix-king (talk • contribs) 22:23, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Why no Tuners? Garchomp87 (talk • contribs) 02:59, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Because that's just stupid. That would let them go off way to easily, the deck is Great with just Phalanx, but make them all tuners you can special ummon afet equiping from grave, the deck would be too powerful. Not to mention the Union support that comes with it. Roll Out!, Frontline Base, Combination Attack, and so on.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 07:18, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Forgetting about Equip cards? Did you take any notice of Evocator Chevalier or Phoenix Gearfried?Alboono (talk • contribs) 08:04, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

^ Second post under the Headline. Vylons could be good.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 08:26, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

I know, but im just saying. These cards havn't been forgotten, they are just taking time getting around to all the different types. We got the Ritual Djinns, Gemini monsters, and some of these cards are making it up there. Also, we are talking about a recreational card game here. Not every card is designed to be used in tournaments. Alboono (talk • contribs) 08:34, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

very true. I'm more a gimic guy than anything else. Garchomp87 (talk • contribs) 02:18, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Abusing loopholes to make amazing combo's/OTK's? like Dragunity Arma Leyvaten and Light and Darkness Dragon?Alboono (talk • contribs) 02:47, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of OTKs and FTKs. I think they're cheap as hell.Garchomp87 (talk • contribs) 02:55, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

If you want a damn FTK deck just go play solitaire or something... Seriously... Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 03:14, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

None of us said we wanted an FTK deck. I wasnt sure exactley what he was talking about. Alboono (talk • contribs) 03:21, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

I DON'T want a goddamn FTK Deck. Think of all the Duelists of the day in the show. The main Opponents for each episode. Some run gimics. Like in Yu-Gi-Oh! GX Episode 16 and 17. The Duel Giant plays a Goblin Deck useing Giant Orc and Second Goblin. For a while before using Goblin King. Not ment to win just have some fun. Or piss off my opponent whatever I'm running. Garchomp87 (talk • contribs) 03:31, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Like the clear world monsters. Pity we didnt get those in the ocg and tcg.Alboono (talk • contribs) 04:12, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Yes very true. Garchomp87 (talk • contribs) 03:59, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

And the REAL clear world effects would have been good.Alboono (talk • contribs) 04:12, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Same for Chimeratech Fortress Dragon. I like Burn Decks. They cards that let the player take action. Like being able to battle monsters. Garchomp87 (talk • contribs) 04:17, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Thats why i love volcanics, They give the user the choice of either burn or beatdown tactics. Alboono (talk • contribs) 04:22, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to see a Winged Dragon of Ra that fuses with the player. Garchomp87 (talk • contribs) 15:05, July 2, 2011 (UTC)