Talk:Number iC1000: Numeronius Numeronia (anime)

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Might as well start this discussion: The current rename request has a valid reason, since "Number Ci1000" isn't actually a "Number C" monster thanks to its Japanese name. But the request is going to be useless unless there's something tangible to change it to. The question is, to what? It's hard to think of anything that really fits. Blueapple128 (talk • contribs) 01:15, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

"Number iC"? That's a valid, yet minor, change. Thirteenth Chimera!! (talk • contribs) 01:28, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I never pursued this because I couldn't think of a way to convey it in the English name. "Number iC" works for me though. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:34, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

A slight problem there is that this card's prefix is read out loud as "Chaos Imaginary Number", not "Imaginary Chaos Number". Then again, the whole phrase "Number C" is read out of order as "Chaos Number" anyway, so... Blueapple128 (talk • contribs) 01:57, February 28, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but the current presentation is false. It it not a "Number C" monster. And, based on the order right now, people are believing it to be one. Thirteenth Chimera!! (talk • contribs) 04:12, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

But the start of this cards written name in the Japanese form is Ci1000 not iC1000 so it probably wouldn't change in the English translation. --StephenWalker97 (talk • contribs) 17:05, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

Not true. How it is currently named, it comes under the "Chaos Number" archetype. However it's Japanese naming is "Chaos Imaginary Number", making it not part of the "Chaos Number" archetype. As such, using "Number iC" ensures it doesn't come under this archetype. Worst possible way of explaining it, but there you go. --~Mana~ (Talk) 18:51, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

• So, why hasn't this been changed yet? --DysonSlinky (talk • contribs) 21:18, March 31, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think there is any need. "Number Ci" is not the same as "Number C" monster, since its name implies that fact. Energy X ∞ 21:24, March 31, 2014 (UTC)

That isn't how it works. Evigishkis are still Gishkis, Steelswarms are still lswarms, as are Evilswarms. The name in this case is only portraying a false indicator of being a "Number C". --DysonSlinky (talk • contribs) 21:28, March 31, 2014 (UTC)

Energy guy might make a fuss here gain. But it's true that "Number Ci" means the card is still "Number C" while "Number iC1000" is not. I just told the most suitable name. So this deal ends here.Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 22:44, March 31, 2014 (UTC)

Oppose rename. In spite of the archetype confusion issue, it is most likely that the English Dub will leave the name as Ci. Until we know for sure, we should just leave the title as it is. We already have a part of the Trivia section explaining how this card isn't a "Chaos Number", and Number iC would only mess up the naming order even more than Number C. TheNeoTachyonDragon1007 (talk • contribs) 01:07, April 10, 2014 (UTC)

The problems is that the anime never showed this card's name, not even in the original Japanese episode. For example, we didn't know the "i" was lowercase until the ZEXAL Monster Academy thing happened to showcase this card. Fat chance of something like that ever being done in English, unless its name is directly mentioned on that yugioh.com anime site as part of the episode summary or something. And it's already been pointed out that the way the name is pronounced doesn't reflect its spelling, as "Number C" is still read out loud as "Chaos Number" in the dub. Blueapple128 (talk • contribs) 17:56, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

I think that we should just all give a slow sarcastic clap to konami for royally screwing themselves tbh. This wouldn't have happened if somebody or somebodies hadn't decided "instead of making it CNumber XX, we should make it Number CXX!" Geniuses, all of them.

In the meantime, I we could either leave it as is since I doubt this thing will be released irl and put up a disclaimer making sure people know that this isn't actually part of the Number C archetype, or we make the switch to iC1000. There's really no good option here, and I personally think we should just switch to iC1000 because either way we're probably going to have to change it when and if Dub ZeXal gets to that point. Really, this is all Konami's fault anyway, so I think that unless it really becomes an issue, we should just make the switch and let them do their own thing. I mean seriously, Number C still becomes Chaos Number. It's out of order. So like, who cares anymore?! I mean I know we as a wikia pride ourselves on being as accurate as possible, but in something like this it's just not realistic! I mean we have to make our best guess based on things like UnHoly Lightning Noble Daemon -> Starfallen Seraph Noble Archfiend and whatnot just because somebody decided "hey let's separate Noble Daemon from the rest of the Holy Lightnings!" I think we should just slap this one down as iC1000 and say "screw the consequences" because it's more or less the right thing to do since Konami's naming and dubbing departments are apparently run by buffoons who can't stay loyal to the original intent of the cards' makers. Konami dug themselves into this one, I don't think it's right that we're the ones panicking over the fallout. Let them take care of the distinction themselves while we watch and laugh at how they (fail to) deal with it. In the meantime, we should just slap this down as iC1000 and be done with it for the time being.

sorry if this rant is plainly disrespectful to konami, but I really do believe that Konami could have handled this better by remaining more consistent across languages. Since they didn't, and made everything that much more complicated as a result, I really think that we should just let konami work out the issue for us instead of having to fret over it ourselves when all that worry is over one ridiculous card that only shows up for all of 2 episodes and will be clarified at the end of the season anyway. If they make it clear then, then we should change accordingly. But for now, just make it iC1000. Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk) 18:33, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

We should just leave it and add a disclaimer, since the English Dub is unlikely to go against the Ci naming order. Again, I understand that this is messed up when it comes to the English Dubbed version (actually, it works perfectly in the Japanese version, CiNumber 1000), but then again, it really it Konami's fault. But that doesn't change the name, regardless of how messed up it really is. The article should only be renamed if the English Dubbed name turns out to be in a different order, per the reasons I gave above. TheNeoTachyonDragon1007 (talk • contribs) 23:45, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

The problem is that the English Dub (and even the original Japanese) has no order. The name is only pronounced out loud, which as we've seen is not enough to tell how to spell the name. When the Japanese episode came out, we didn't know how to properly spell the name. We only knew because the ZEXAL Monster Academy showcase thing displayed it. Similarly, we won't know how to spell the English name when the English episode comes out either. The best chance we have is to hope that the yugioh.com site happens to mention it somewhere, which is somewhat slim. Blueapple128 (talk • contribs) 13:22, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

Well, the disclaimer has been added to break up any confusion over the archetype, so the problem has been resolved. TheNeoTachyonDragon1007 (talk • contribs) 09:02, August 23, 2014 (UTC)