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| − | ==Untitled== | + | == Jinzo being immune to Time Wizard's effect in the anime == |
| − | When ''Jinzo'' is normal summoned, the opponent can activate ''trap hole'' or ''bottomless trap hole'' it to negate the summoning?
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| − | Jinzo can possibly be negated with By Order of the Emperor, because it works when the effect goes off upon the summoning and acts as a chain 2 to Jinzo so thus you can negate his effect but at the expense of loosing a card. It's really not that bad a loss. Plus monster card effect completely bone Jinzo, like for example D.D. Warrior Lady can remove him and herself from play effectively owning Jinzo. Or you can use Chaos Sorcerer if he is the new print version, to remove Jinzo from play. Dark Jeriods Can lower Jinzo's attack. Good for if they use Horus LV8 In combination with Jinzo to effectively own spells. Snipe Hunter could also be a great card to use on Jinzo and Horus LV8. It isn't that great a combo once you see it's weakness.
| + | Should I place the immunity this card has against the effect of "Time Wizard" here as an effect or not? The anime explains that the armor of "Jinzo" can't age or corrode for many years which explains why it was unaffected by the effect of "Time Wizard". The effect of "Time Wizard" did affect "[[Barrel Dragon]]", a Machine, however, as shown in Joey's Duel with Bandit Keith. I need to figure out if this should be placed in a page or not.[[User:Cardsknower|Cardsknower]] ([[User talk:Cardsknower|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cardsknower|contribs]]) 00:32, September 13, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower |
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| − | No. [[Trap Hole]] and [[Bottomless Trap Hole]] do not [[negate]] the summon. However, [[Solemn Judgment]] and [[Horn of Heaven]] (Or [[Black Horn of Heaven]] if he was [[Special Summon]]ed) '''do''' [[negate]] the summon, and these remain the only [[Trap Cards]] you can use against the summoning of a [[Jinzo]].
| + | :I doubt its part of the lore. It's just an extension of "machines can't be affected by magic", which was inconsistently applied, as you pointed out yourself. I think noting on the card appearances and episode pages suffice. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 00:37, September 13, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | Remember that [[Jinzo]]'s effect is continuous, and is active the moment he hits the field. [[Solemn Judgment]] and [[Horn of Heaven]] bypass it by actually hitting [[Jinzo]] before he 'officially' hits the field.--[[w:c:YuGiOh:User:TwoTailedFox|TwoTailedFox]] ([[w:c:YuGiOh:User talk:TwoTailedFox|My Talk Page]]) 08:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
| + | :What Cheesy said was why I chose to removing that line - it's not really necessary. Thank you for trying, Cardsknower. --<span style="font:10pt 'Bookman Old Style'">[[User:FredCat100/Smily Faces|<span style="color:#000">i</span>]][[User:FredCat100|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">F</span>]][[User talk:FredCat100#top|<span style="color:#000">r</span>]][[User:FredCat100/friends|<span style="color:#000">e</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Ruling List|<span style="color:#000">d</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Disambiguation|<span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000">C</span>]][[User:FredCat100/Research|<span style="color:#000">a</span>]][[Special:Contributions/FredCat100|<span style="color:#000">t</span>]]</span> 00:39, September 13, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | Oh man...thats gay. I mean...there isnt a phase where"while monster is been summon" you cant cancel it?...dam
| + | :I actually reread a couple of episodes in the first season as well as the Duel between Espa and Joey. Machines are unaffected by magical attacks as shown in Joey's Duel with Bandit Keith. They appear to be immune to the effects of Spells if the said effects destroy monsters. Any Spell Card that affects their ATK/DEF will affect them regardless. Effects that can be considered magical vary for Machines as with the case with "Time Wizard". It appears that most Machine-type monsters can be affected by the effect of "Time Wizard", but some Machines like "Jinzo" are unaffected by it under certain circumstances. I already placed the suggestion Cheesedude said onto the card appearances page of "Jinzo", so no need to worry about that.[[User:Cardsknower|Cardsknower]] ([[User talk:Cardsknower|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cardsknower|contribs]]) 22:43, September 13, 2012 (UTC)Cardsknower |
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| − | So it doesn't negate trap cards activated(or executed) from the graveyard?--'''''[[user:andersmusician|Andersmusician]][[user_talk:andersmusician|<font>$</font>]]''''' 00:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
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| − | * If [[Jinzo]] is in the [[Graveyard]], it will not negate Trap Card effects played on the field.--[[w:c:YuGiOh:User:TwoTailedFox|TwoTailedFox]] ([[w:c:YuGiOh:User talk:TwoTailedFox|My Talk Page]]) 16:08, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
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| − | ** He means: will Jinzo negate Traps that activate in the Graveyard? I think it will negate them. --[[User:Deltaneos|Deltaneos]] 16:12, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
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| − | * It doesn't. His effect only covers Trap Cards on the field. Effects like [[Statue of the Wicked]] will still resolve.--[[w:c:YuGiOh:User:TwoTailedFox|TwoTailedFox]] ([[w:c:YuGiOh:User talk:TwoTailedFox|My Talk Page]]) 23:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
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| − | Trap hole and bottomless doesn't negate his summon, or kill him...jinzo will negate the traps when played against him
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| − | You CANNOT activate any trap holes or torrential or anything to that extent because jinzo's effect start once it is summoned...once jinzo is summoned then you cant activate the traps because jinzo's effect starts once summoned...
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| − | BUTTTTTT couldn't Gladiator Beast War Chariot, negate the activation of his effect and destroy him??
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| − | JINZO'S EFFECT DOESNT ACTIVATE! its continuous
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| − | *The ONLY Card that can effect Jinzo is [[Forced Back]].[[User:Altyrell|Altyrell]] 01:41, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ==Semi-Limited Status==
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| − | Oh no! I'm screwed, it's now semi-limited and mine got lost!!! --'''''[[user:andersmusician|Andersmusician]][[user_talk:andersmusician|<font>$</font>]]''''' 01:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
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| − | * ...um. How can we help? -- [[User:Huajun Chen|Huajun Chen]] 01:47, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
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| − | is there any wayto negate his effect if its your opponents (teams) card (yes i like 2 vs 2 games,but thats off-topic)? [[Special:Contributions/85.146.249.89|85.146.249.89]] 18:32, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
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| − | The real answer here is counter trap cards people.
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| − | ==Skill Drain==
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| − | if [[Skill Drain]] is already face up on the field, and Jinzo is then summoned, will Jinzo negate Skill Drain's effect, or will Skill Drain negate Jinzo's ability?
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| − | * [[Skill Drain]] negates [[Jinzo]]'s effect - since [[Skill Drain]] was already active, its effect takes precedence, negating [[Jinzo]]'s. --[[User:Darth Covah|Darth Covah]] 23:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
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| − | it depends on whatever card is activated 1st. in this case since it was skill drain, it will negate jinzo--[[User:Mr.Archfreak|Mr.Archfreak]] 23:43, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
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| − | What if you active skill drain WHEN your opponent summons Jinzo? Now who's effect is first? Because Skill Drain doesn't negate the summon but it does negate the effect.
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| − | ==Loop-hole==
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| − | Jinzo is a loop-hole card that any trap is supposed to kill him (that says so on it) because it clearly states on the card "REMAINS" on the field. therefore, it is supposed to take effect if it is NOT CHAINED.
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| − | but Konami didn't follow their own rules that are in their own rule book that comes in the starter decks.
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| − | what is activated last, works first (minus spell speeds). you're supposed to be able to traphole/bottomless him, but for some reason they won't allow it. but technically spell-speed wise, it is allowed. <small>''—This unsigned comment was made by [[User:RyuSenshi|RyuSenshi]] ([[User talk:RyuSenshi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/RyuSenshi|contribs]]) 12:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)''</small>
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| − | :You cannot chain to a Summon. "Trap Hole" and "Botomless Trap Hole" can only be activated after the monster has been Summoned. Since "Jinzo" hits the field, before the player gets to activate them, his effect is already active, so the Traps cannot be played. -- [[User:Deltaneos|Deltaneos]] ([[User talk:Deltaneos|talk]]) 12:54, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
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| − | the original Jinzo looks so much better. it has that "i'm super rare" effect. o yea, this card needs to be limited too. just gotta wait for that, until then i gotta find my other jinzo
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| − | all of this is explained by the fact that jinzo's effect doesnt activate....
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| − | its already working as soon as it hits the field
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| − | == duhh ==
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| − | all of this is explained by the fact that jinzo's effect doesnt activate....
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| − | its already working as soon as it hits the field
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| − | == Call of the Haunted ==
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| − | Does it work when you Call of the Haunted Jinzo? Does he get to remain on the field even when Jinzo is summoned? Because when you activate Call of the Haunted, Jinzo is not on the field. When Jinzo hits the field, it negates Call of the Haunted's effect? Does Jinzo get to remain on the field even if Call of the Haunted is destroyed? Or does he die right away? Thank you.
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| − | no he still stays on the field because he negates the effect of call so he isnt destroyed when call of the hanted is so you can use Giant trunade to recycle call of the haunted
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| − | == TEAMS ==
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| − | If i use jinzo and equip Amplifier does it still negate the trap cards on my team mates side or just my opponents
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| − | == Card Art ==
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| − | Where's his original card? The one on the page makes me cry.--[[User:AleximMose|AleximMose]] 01:02, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :: I agree, this guy looks like he is in the electric chair getting bolted. [[Special:Contributions/66.57.227.76|66.57.227.76]] 14:12, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == By Order of the Emperor ==
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| − | If By Order of the Emperor is already on the field when your opponent plays Jinzo, could it's effect still work to negate Jinzo's effect or would it be negated??<small>''—This unsigned comment was made by [[User:Anicentgear418|Anicentgear418]] ([[User talk:Anicentgear418|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Anicentgear418|contribs]]) ''</small>
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| − | :Jinzo's effect is a continuous effect, which means it never really "activates" so By Order of the Emperor would not be able to negate it. --[[User:Bluedog187|Blue]] ([[User talk:Bluedog187|Talk]]) 19:12, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::But it isn't active in your hand so it has to activate at some point (being summoned) wouldn't that count as being activated once it is normal summoned??<small>''—This unsigned comment was made by [[User:Anicentgear418|Anicentgear418]] ([[User talk:Anicentgear418|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Anicentgear418|contribs]]) ''</small>
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| − | :::By Order of the Emperor can only negate effects that start a chain. [[Continuous Monster Effects|Jinzo's effect does not start a chain.]] --[[User:Bluedog187|Blue]] ([[User talk:Bluedog187|Talk]]) 19:45, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Jinzo = [[Dark Magician Girl]], as they cannot be negated by [[Divine Wrath]]. --[[User:FredCat100|FredCat100]] 19:56, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Call of The Haunted ==
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| − | So because of Jinzo, Call of the Haunted's effect is negated. So if I Destroy a monster that had the card equipped to it it becomes a dead card until Jinzo is removed from the field or one of the players destroys it? [[Special:Contributions/66.57.227.76|66.57.227.76]] 14:14, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : Close, [[Call of the Haunted]] is not an Equip Card, and it never even tries to Equip to a monster. Apart from that, yes it stays 'meaninglessly' on the Field. [[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]] 14:20, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::my favorite tactic is using Call of the Haunted ON Jinzo, then Giant Trunade it to my hand to use it again. [[Special:Contributions/99.41.253.229|99.41.253.229]] 19:30, June 21, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Remember man that "Call of the Haunted" is a continuous trap card so you can use it to retrieve "Jinzo" from your Graveyard but once Jinzo is on the field "Call of the Haunted" effect is no longer useful however that doesn't mean that "Jinzo" destroys "Call of the Haunted" and itself because of it's own negation effect, no. Call of the Haunted is negated once "Jinzo" is Special Summoned to the field true but "Call of the Haunted"'s effect has already done it's purpose which was retrieving Jinzo from your graveyard in the first place. So "Call of the Haunted just remains face-up on the field doing pretty much doing nothing except wasting room and remember "Jinzo" negates trap cards not destroy them.--[[User:TheCollector 12|TheCollector 12]] ([[User talk:TheCollector 12|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TheCollector 12|contribs]]) 08:22, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | The simplest card to take Jinzo out is the spell card Double Snare and if they don't have the amplifier then they can't negate it with traps at least. They'll probably safeguard Jinzo with Spell Canceller or My Body as a Shield.
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| − | Funnily enough, the first time I even heard of Jinzo was at a duel tournanment and people were literally going around the main floor begging people to trade it if they had it.
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| − | == Physic? ==
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| − | Is Jinzo retroactively considered physic like Summoned skull is archfiend? [[Special:Contributions/98.24.154.187|98.24.154.187]] ([[User talk:98.24.154.187|talk]]) 22:17, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
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