Forum:About Scrap Dragon and Loss of LP

First of all I'd like to thank Falzar for his constant answering of my questions. You're awesome, dude. I hope you (or any other kind soul) may answer these those questions:

1-Can I choose an Infernity Guardian I control as a target for Scrap Dragon's effect, so that the only one who's actually losing cards is my opponent? Or does the fact that Guardian is indestructible while I have no cards in hand make him an invalid target?

2-If during a chain a player takes enough damage to make his LPs 0, but before said chain is over he'd recover some, is the game over or not? For example, if a player with 500 LP takes 2000 damage from Secret Barrel, but would gain 1200 LP due to Poison of the Old Man on chain link 1, is the guy dead or still struggling?

187.5.159.204 (talk) 21:38, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

1. Similar to ruling of "Elemental HERO Wildheart", if he's 1 of two targets that get destroyed by Two-Pronged Attack, then "Infernity Guardian" can survive it as well, since you have select other Monster to destroy two at same time.

2. He's dead once Life Points hit 0; it's like a gal of blood left in his body, if he let it out, then he won't be able to survive by re-filling his lost amount. As soon as the blood is emptying from his body, he's dead. --FredCat 21:48, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

What would happen if a card as this effect: you take 500 point of dammage to gain 2000 life point, (it all happen in resolution) and you activated the card when you only have 500 life points left?(I know a card with this card effect doesn't exist as far as I know)96.44.92.186 (talk) 18:44, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

If you chain the Life Points restoration to the damage version, then you recovered before you take damage. But if you got chained by the damage version that is chaining to your restoration; then you lost the game before you can recovering. That is it. --FredCat 18:55, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

You are right about if the card that give damage is chain to the different card that recover life points, however that wasn't what I was asking the effect of you take 500 points of damage to gain 2000 life points are part of the same card so both action happen in same resolution with the 500 points happening first so in that case would it happen like this

1. chain link 1: You take 500 points of damage you have 0 life points left but the card ass not fully resolve yet you have to recover 2000 life points you have 2000 life points so your still in the game.

Or would it happen like this:

2. chain link 1: You take 500 points of dammage you have 0 life points left but the card ass not fully resolve yet you have recover 2000 life points you still have 0 life points left you loss the game.

or maybe like this:

3. chain link 1: you take 500 points of dammage you have 0 life points left but the card ass not fully resolve you recover 2000 life points you have know 2000 life points remaining but you have still loses the duel because the condition of you lose as soon as you it 0 life point as been meet. 96.44.92.186 (talk) 00:03, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Victory can be declared between Chain Links. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:17, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

I know that already the answer you give me is for a completely different question I even place 3 different example of what I think could happen if they would be a card that works like that, and in my example do you see chain link 2 and chain link 1 no! So which example would be correct either 1, 2, or 3?(the thing I'm asking for as nothing too do with scrap dragon however it as something to do with lossing life points)96.44.92.186 (talk) 02:41, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Because your chains don't work. You're at Chain Link 1 which does the damage, yet you claim that there is a card that has not resolved.

Here's a proper one:

Chain Link 1: Rain of Mercy

Chain Link 2: Secret Barrel

Resolve:

Chain Link 2: Secret Barrel (Inflicts damage) (Your LPs become 0) (As I mentioned above: Victory can be declared between Chain Links.)

Chain Link 1 never resolves, you lost already.

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:46, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe if I tell you a completly different example:

I have 2000 life points left and my opponent as 800 life points left and I have a face-down graverobber trap card ready to use during my turn I activated graverobber to take ookazi spell card, than I activated ookazi spell card so it would go like this

chain link 1 : my opponent takes the 800 points of damage so my opponet as 0 life points do I win no! because graverobber added a conditional effect on ookazi spell card I would than take the 2000 points of damage to commpletly resolve ookazi resulting in a draw.96.44.92.186 (talk) 03:06, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

• "Graverobber" does not start a chain, nor does it inflict damage at the resolution of the card. In that scenario, you activate "Ookazi", your opponent's Life Points fall to 0, and you win the game.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 03:16, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Ookazi is in your Graveyard right?

So:

Chain Link 1: Graverobber

Resolve:

Chain Link 1: Graverobber (*)

New Chain:

Chain Link 1: Ookazi

Resolve:

Chain Link 1: Ookazi (Inflicts 800 Damage to the opponent and you also take 2000 Damage (+)) (Graverobber does not use a chain here, the lingering effect is merely applying as well).

Ends in a Draw.

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:19, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

• "Barrel Behind the Door: "Barrel Behind the Door" cannot be activated against cards that do not inflict damage when the card resolves, such as "Graverobber", which inflicts damage later." - taken from the Graverobber rulings page. This seems to imply that damage from "Graverobber" will only be taken after the effect resolves. It's pretty vague, but if that's the case, "Ookazi" would end the game first and the lingering effect would be ignored.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 03:22, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

That ruling refers to (*)

Since damage is not inflicted at (*), "Barrel Behind the Door" cannot be used.

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:24, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

• I understand that, but that isn't the point. It also says that "Graverobber" does not inflict damage at the resolution of the card, but later.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 03:25, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

• Nvm, I see what you mean. You're right, it'd end in a draw. I hope they errata that card and make it less vague, though. "use" could mean a lot of things.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 03:26, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

"Graverobber" does not inflict damage at the resolution of the card (*), but later (+).

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:27, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

First I have graverobber ready to use and I also have a face-up prime material dragon on my side of the field and I also have a face-up bad reaction to simonshi and my opponent as barriel behind the door ready to use and my opponent also have ookazi in his graveyard. We both have 800 life points left. It is my turn I activated graverobber and target my opponent ookazi my opponent doesn't respond so chain link 1 resolve by having ookazi in my hand resolution finish, then I activated ookazi spell card my opponent chain barriel behind the door

chain link 2 barriel behind the door change the writing on ookazi to give me 800 point of damage

chain link 1 ookazi gives 800 points of direct dammage to my opponent life point

resolution chain link 2 barriel behind the door change the writting on ookazi to give me 800 point of damage

resolution chain link 1 ookazi gives 800 point of direct damage to my life point making my life points 0 than the ligering effect of graverobber apply giving me 2000 life points. Would I still have loss even do I have 2000 life points left, or I might be wrong for this situation?96.44.92.186 (talk) 13:13, April 13, 2012 (UTC)