Forum:End Phase - What can/cannot be done?

Okay, I like to think that I understand a lot about this game. One thing that has bothered me for quite some time is the End Phase. I understand that it is the time where a lot of effects are nulled. My question is actually several different parts in one:

• First, If I have a card that can be activated, such as a Quick-Play Spell Card in my Hand or a face-down Trap that can be activated, can they be activated during the End Phase? Specifically without a chain that they attach to?
• Second, the final thing that happens in an End Phase is the Discard of cards if the Turn Player's Hand is greater than 6. Can any player activate cards during or after this?
• If after the Hand Size Limit occurs, my Hand becomes greater than 6, do I discard again?

These are important in situations like when a player uses "Super Rejuvenation". This Quick-Play Spell Card allows the user to draw one card for each of their discarded or tributed Dragons during that turn.

• Can this card have its Draw effect be used after the Hand size limit? According to the End Phase, no. the Hand Size Limit is the last thing to occur. However the Rulings for "Super Rejuvenation" seems to say otherwise. You can activate the Draw effect after you have discarded for Hand size.
• If I draw a "Super Rejuvenation" during my End Phase, can I activate it during that End Phase? Can I activate it if I waited to draw until after I discarded through my Hand Size Limit?

Opinions are welcome, however I am hoping that replies can give set rulings that I can site in the future. --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 17:26, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

To be true; you have to playing "Super Rejuvenation" first before discarding them - otherwise you're just discard for nothing. Then after you done discarding till your hand is at it original limitation again, you can draw once more for the effect of "Super Rejuvenation". If you discarded before playing "Super Rejuvenation", you draw nothing. Yes, that's exact what Konami want it to be workable. --iFredCat 20:48, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

FredCat, that is not right. The card does not care if the Dragons are discarded/tributed before or after the card is activated. It just says "during this turn". There is a Ruling that says that the total amount drawn is determined at the time that you choose to use it. Discarding after that will not allow you to draw again. Regardless, this still does not answer any of my questions. --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 02:30, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I am trying to say that discard before activate it does not make it workable. Reckless, I will let Falzar or Dinoguy handle this case. --iFredCat 02:38, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

If your part of Ocg it would go like this, you activated super rejuvenation before hand sizeing during the end phase, before the end phase you did not tribute and/or discarded dragon type monster, you only discard 2 dragon type for hand sizeing now you have six card in hand after that you draw 2 card if you drawn another copy of super rejuvnation you can activated at this time before discarding again for hand sizeing, if you do you will draw 2 card before hand sizeing again, if you do not activated the second copy before hand sizeing again, you only hand size again and your turn is over.

If your part of Tcg It would go like this, you activated super rejuvenation before hand sizeing during the end phase, before the end phase you did not tribute and/or discarded dragon type monster, during hand sizeing you discarded 2 dragon type monster after that you do not draw card because your turn is over.96.44.92.186 (talk) 04:39, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

(In response to FredCat) Well actually a discard before the card is activated does count. It counts all discards and tributed Dragons up to and including the draw effect of "Super Rejuvenation" resolving. The rulings make it sound like the draw effect of "Super Rejuvenation" can be activated during the End Phase after the Hand size limit occurs. I am also wondering about the potential behind activating a "Super Rejuvenation" that was drawn by another "Super Rejuvenation". The potential is endless. If you use a "Hieratic" Deck that has monsters like "Hieratic Dragon of Nebthet" and "Hieratic Dragon of Su" with the monster "Hieratic Seal of the Dragon King". If you have a "Superalloy Beast Raptinus", you have an everlasting tribute lined up. Just tribute one for a "Hieratic Seal of the Dragon King" in your Graveyard and then tribute that for the first monster. This will rack up tributes and make "Super Rejuvenation" into more of a "draw your Deck" card.

With that idea, understanding the limits of this card are crucial. Unless someone abuses that combo above relentlessly, there will only be a few tributes to allow a user to draw. Drawing five cards could be great, but drawing another 6? How about a third "Super Rejuvenation" for another 10? That card could be a strong card in that Deck - IF you can use "Super Rejuvenation" and other Quick-Plays during the End Phase. --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 05:09, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

(In response to 96.44.92.186) You still leave some questions. The OCG part was confusing. However that case, it still seems that you think that it would work as I do. Your TCG explanation is only applicable when I chose to not activate the card before the Hand Size Limit occurs. That is negligible. I only care if the combo would work. Also, where did you get these ideas? Cite reasons please, like I requested. opinions matter little without backing in this game I am afraid. --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 05:09, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

That's not counted - I had many discussion with other users, and they are admins/pro judge like ATEM, that it must be first activate before Tribute/Discard the Dragon. But yes, you're on the track - it can be activate during End Phase of the turn... --iFredCat 11:14, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

FredCat100:If it is true that you have to activated super rejuvnation before discarding and/or tributed to be able to draw card during the end phase. You should update the super rejuvnation tip page because this folowing text would be invalid.

Discard 2 Dragons for "Magical Stone Excavation" to recycle this card. In doing so, you can draw up to 4 cards.

96.44.92.186 (talk) 13:34, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

S.R could all discarded/tributed cards, no matter the cards are discarded before or after its resolution.

Fixed, that part of "Magical Stone Excavation" don't work - you only can draw 2 each time "Super Rejuvenation" is playing and memorized how many copy of Dragon being discard/Tribute afterward. I am sorry, LordGeo, but it's how Konami want it to be workable. --iFredCat 13:53, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

FredCat100: Do you want me to remove the invalid tip from the super rejuvnation tip page, or you want user LordGeo to do that?96.44.92.186 (talk) 14:20, May 2, 2012 (UTC)