Forum:Custom March 2010 Ban list

Banned:

Brain Control- The state of too many games/matches change on this one card, and too many duels are won for the small cost of 800 LP. This has to go.

Dark Armed Dragon- Only because I brought back BLS Envoy, otherwise, this doesn't get touched, but DAD and Envoy cannot be in the same format.

Limited:

Brionac- Should've been limited this list; dunno why they didn't follow suit with the OCG list here (Okay, maybe I do, and maybe it was just so Hidden Arsenal would sell a million times better if people salivated at the thought of using 3). Card sets up too many OTKs (especially in zombies).

Black Luster Soldier- Envoy of the Beginning- Yes, I know the card's strong. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. However, with further limitations I'll impose down further in the list, I think this card should come back. It's really iffy as it can remove a f/d monster, which is beyond cheap, but I'd be interested in this coming back to bring a rise out of the true old chaos decks (Recruiter Chaos, etc).

Black Whirlwind- Don't care how many people disagree with this, this must come down to 1. Blackwings have way too many weapons atm, and they are getting even more help in coming sets. Being able to completely keep your hand while maintaining field presence the way they is excessive to historic levels, at times, especially when 2 or 3 are on the field at the same time (and don't sit there and tell me that this never happens, because it does, and it does with quite often, and I KNOW you've seen it happen).

Burial from a different dimension- This will stop Vayu turbo somewhat and help slow down zombies (and maybe even force them to at least TRY using Shutendoji? XD) Chaos decks won't go berserk either, assuming BLSEB comes back.

Charge of the Light Brigade- Again, the second straight format I'm going to ask this: How in the WORLD can you limit and keep RotA at 1 and have this card which is SO much worse at 3? RotA searches for any level 4- warrior (aka Stratos 99% of the time). Yeah, ok.... Charge mills 3 for LS (even if you negate it's effect, so it helps LS decks regardless) and searches for any level 4- LS. If you're best argument against this card is that it's "deck specific", don't even bother commenting on this. LS happens to have a "deck specific" card by the name of Judgment Dragon, which happens to be one of the most (if not THE most) broken card in the meta atm.

Holy Light- I know this seems stupid, and I actually really feel kind of stupid about putting this on here, but honestly, wth was Konami thinking when they made this card? Banish Blackwings and every other predominantly Dark-monster-based deck to an eternity of losing while X-Sabers and Gladiators (and LS if they don't hit them) run the format ? o.O

Honest- Everyone knows this card is terribly broken, and everyone can get at least one right about now, so I don't think Konami will let this live at 3. Plus, LS can still survived without this at 3, and I'm sorry, but assuming BLSE comes back, unless you have some sort of a death wish and/or just want to be unprecedentedly cheap, this must go to one.

Judgment Dragon: JD effect is too broken, this card is too easily recycled, and one is enough for LS, especially while still having the underestimated Celestia the Broken Monarch. This might actually help make the duels involving LS more skill based rather than relying on luck and one card all the time >.> (For those of you, like myself, who have found that there are more ways to win with your LS deck than just spamming this 24/7 like most LS users, this does not apply to you. In all seriousness, too powerful to keep at 2.

Test Tiger: So Bestiari @ 2 doesn't make them "overpowered", as some would argue.

XX-Saber Faultroll (sp?)- The infinite loop with this card and Regigura makes this an easy limit.

Semi-Limit:

Black Rose Dragon: I appreciate why they put this at 1, but I'd like to see it at 2.

Blackwing Gale: With BW @ 2, I think Gale can come to 2, and it should help balance out a lot of the stuff I took away from BW. Plus, now that Dark Strike Fighter is temporarily out of commission, I don't this should be a problem.

Blackwing- Vayu: Blackwings have too good of a time throwing out royal oppression without a worry in the world with Shura being unaffected, and worst of all, THIS. Removing this and another BW isn't a cost for this effect, therefore, this must be hit to balance the meta out a bit. Destiny Draw: So RotA can go to 2, and to avoid an extreme D-hero engine with the introduction of Absolute Zero that would easily take a couple of decks over the top to complete dominance

Cyber Dragon: I know it's unlikely especially because of Zwei or whatever it's called that's coming out in Absolute Powerforce. Still, I'd like to see this back at 2.

Gladiator Beast Bestiari: Go back to 2 so Gladiators can compete with these guys some

Icarus Attack: Take away some destruction power from BW, but not TOO much.

Torrential Tribute: Punish over-extending and uncontrolled swarming.

Honorable Mentions:

Lumina- Lots of people want this to go down to 2. In my little list here, that would be too unfair to LS, espeically considering all that has been done to them here.

Feel free to discuss! --Phoenix25 03:38, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

dude, some of the cards you mentioned are deck specific, and why overrated limited staples become at 2? just like TT, dude, imagine BW's and other swarmer decks lose their effectiveness with a slower version of dark hole? its okay to have 1, but 2? 0_0 why remove dark armed? he became limited already and a simple simple black horn of heaven can kill it? why will you ban such ? also the black rose, another black hole+heavy storm at 2? just imagine synchro swarmer decks if they just wipe you in 2 turns with 2 copies of these JD only works in LS decks, if the 2 copies of it gets milled its a great disadv for LS users to comeback, this same goes for lumina , she only works on LS decks the holy light card is just a side decker card, will you run 3 of these? you do if you face dark themed decks but not all decks are dark themed honest only works on light monsters, limit it if it works on all attributes, and the difficulty of getting one is high lastly, why ban brain control? its the cost version of change of heart, and it has a cost. if you got less than 800LP it is just a useless card dude, brionac is limited already i think the envoy should rest in peace in his forbidden list.

^^^^To whoever ^this dude is who didn't sign, apparently you either don't read that well or didn't read what I wrote closely enough: (sorry for this matter) 1. Torrential Tribute @ 1 is clearly not enough to hinder swarm decks (Esp Blackwings), or swarmers wouldn't have topped so much in the past 3-4 Shonen's consistently, now would they? And they certainly wouldn't help Blackwings anymore than one would. 2. I don't know if you've noticed, but there are cards called Beckoning Light and Monster Reincarnation to solve the "disadv" of milling both JDs. Most LS/Twilight builds run them, and ESPECIALLY regarding Beckoning Light, these help make milling JDs almost completely harmless, and at times, are the reason that they can be summoned AT ALL, as beckoning light can easily send the 1-2 LS you were missing in your grave in order to have 4 different ones. 3. I put Dark Armed at banned because (AND ONLY BECAUSE, as I stated in the reasoning right NEXT to it) I brought back BLS Envoy. Translation: if BLS does not come back, than DAD will not be banned. 4. Black Rose should probably stay at 1, though I don't think it possesses an Auto-win ability. You still have to work a little bit, and black rose @ two will present those types of random synchro decks out there with more of an opportunity to keep up with the Top Tier Swarmers. I will give you that it might not be such a great idea. 5. You're out of your mind if you think Honest shouldn't be limited just because it only works on Light Monsters. No no no, KALUT shouldn't be limited because it only works on BLACKWING monsters. Could you imagine if every Dark Attribute could use Kalut? Would you then say that Kalut is NOT broken? BTW, Honest is now a $4 Ultra/ a guaranteed variant card in the Twilight Edition 6. No, brain control can't take F/Ds, so you can't even compare it to Change of Heart. However, as said in the explanation right next to the graping card, it changes too many games way too drastically and 800 points is NOTHING to pay when you consider how much damage that card can cause. 7. Brionac ISN'T limited. This tells me that either A.) You were not paying attention to anything you wrote here and/or B.) You don't really know too much and/or are new to this game.( he is limited in Ocg and in Tcg already) 8. Yeah? Any reasons BLS Envoy shouldn't come back. I mean, by your reasoning, a simple Black Horn of Heaven would do it in.... o.O --Phoenix25 03:04, January 19, 2010 (UTC)--

i think you should semi limit Mind Master, the brain of psychics gets limited, and 2 minds are better than 1 i think you should ban is the dandylion, works on every deck, when it goes to grave, its a free stray lambs on the field that's all i guess June23ly 04:35, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

You bring up good points, but I would keep Mind Master @ 1 because of the Mind Master OTK with Research Lab. As far as dandylion is concerned, it is a pain, and I guess it's highly splashable, but I don't think it's a big enough concerned for them to ban it. A piercer (aka Bora-the-most-commonly-played-piercer, Flamvell Urquaisas, etc) makes it a non-issue. --Phoenix25 03:04, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

From that list, I would agree on:

Brionac

Judgment Dragon

As for these:

Black Whirlwind - semi

Burial from a Different Dimension - semi

Honest - semi

For the rest... I doubt it, but I would like to see Bestiari at 2 since GBs aren't tier 1 anyway and also I think Mind Master would stay at 1 and One for One to be semi since Frogs, Morphtronics, etc, need that card. Falzar FZ 03:06, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Bestiari still at 1 because it can wipe out all spell/trap faster with 2. i agree with 1 4 1 semi limiting and bora the most commonly played piercer works effectively in BW, unless you need a piercer at his lvl.June23ly 05:59, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

What?!

There are so many things wrong with this list, but I don't have alot of time, so here are a couple things I should point out:

Holy Light should stay at three. That is only fair. Gladiator Beasts have to survive with Mirror of Oaths, Deck Lockdown, GB Hunter, etc., and they are still fine. It is about time that DARK decks get some more anti-support.

Brain Control...are you kidding?! There is nothing overpowered about this card. It isn't hurting the metagame.

XX-Saber Faultroll and it's handless combo are the only things that make X-Saber decks worthwhile and competitive.

Torrential Tribute is too powerful to be at two. If you want to punish swarming decks, put Bottomless Trap Hole at three. -bewk 01:06, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

I never said that Brain Control was overpowered. I said it sways the games too easily for a measly 800 LP. Don't be surprised if they do ban this, as much as you disagree with it. Though it may not seem like it all the time, they are attempting to slow the game down, and banning Brain Control will definitely do that to some extent. I will take back the Holy Light thing. Dark-decks do need a bit of resistance as you pointed out. Lightsworn needs to be hit somehow, though. Bottemless does not punish swarm decks AT ALL, so I don't know where you're going with that. If it did, Swarm decks wouldn't be surviving as it is with 2, and Blackwing/Cat Synchro were top the very last format bottomless was at 3. It also should be pointed out that, once upon a time, Six Samurai decks were top (MAJOR Swarming deck), and they easily lived through 3 bottomless. It's been a while since Torrential Tribute could be run in multiples, and swarm decks didn't even exist. Now that there are so many, Torrential should come back (and, no matter what you say, it is most definitely NOT too powerful to be at 2). Cards like Judgment Dragon, Dark Armed, THOSE are too powerful to be at 2. X Sabers can be competitive easily without the infinite loop that multiple Faultrolls/Regigura cause. If they weren't, the deck wouldn't be played at all, because you don't always get the necessary situation for the loop, and you don't play only to set that up (unless you're a terrible player). I did what I did in this list to even the top (though X-sabers/Gladiators/Twilight would excel in a format with this list). This isn't a prediction list, though I will say that a bunch of this stuff is very possible. --Phoenix25 00:39, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

No!! No!! No!!!

Gladiator Beast-Bestiari might become semi-limted.Judgment Dragon will become limited card.D.D Crow might be semi-limited too.Black Luster Soldier won't be limited and it will be continuously banned because Konami doesn't the duelist go back the time where only the light and darkness deck was played.

Icarus Attack won't be semi or limited because blackwing do not have any card that destroy cards.Blackwings are strong because it can swarm very fast with synchro monsters.But when blackwing deck versus the lightsworn deck,blackwing can only await for losing the game because blackwing can't do anything even it attack if the are Necro Gardna in the graveyard or Honest in opponent's hand.This is because i am using the perfect Bf-deck,this why i know the weakness of blackwing.But when comes to Black Whirlwind,it might be semi-limited,after release of Bf-Breeze the Gentle Wind i can assume that Black Whirlwind will become semi-limited or the worst,limited. Ace & Joker

D.D. Crow? -bewk 03:16, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me, but blackwings have both Delta-Crow Antireverse and Blackwing shot, the later can't be negated by Stardust, they could easily use normal destruction cards and above of all they can easily pull of DAD. That's not exactly my definition of no destruction cards. Icarus attack is just too powerfull to be left at 3, similar cards destroy only one card at the cost of a monster, Icarus attack destroys 2 (of any kind) at the cost of a monster,(almost a meaningless one in a deck that swarms so easily).HouseholdCatDeity 15:30, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Brain Control won't be ban because konami wants to balance the game.what I mean is Brain Control is replacing Snatch Steal and Mind Control replace the banned,Change Of Heart. Premature Burial won't be unbanned because there is a card called arms hole will make premature burial be banned for premanently.Brionac won't be banned because it is no the key cards,i have few brionac so i know the weakness of it User:Ace & Joker