Forum:I am am confused...

i was pretty sure that Stardust could not negate the effects of existing spell cards that destroy something. He could only negate the effect of a spell card at Activation if it destroyed something., Since Ancient forest stays on the field before it activates to destoy something than Stardust should not be able to negate it.

As i would believe Stardust can only negate an effect of an existing effect monster that destroys something, and it can only destroy Trap and Spell Cards at activation if they destroy something immediatly.

i was reading a thread and it has some mixed answers so i would appreciate some input, from HH, Atem, or Dues please ^^

Just don't want to come across this in a tourney and not know the answer. It looks bad if you local judge doesn't know what she is talking about you know. Kearowind (talk • contribs) 15:21, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Stardust Dragon negates "the activation of a Spell Card, Trap Card, or Effect Monster's EFFECT that destroys a card(s) on the field, and destroys that card". So it doesn't have to be placed on the field to be negated, the effect just has to activate. --Dark Star X (talk • contribs) 15:24, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

i was asking for HH, Atem or Deus to answer as i have heard answers going back an forth

i am aware of this ruling

• "Stardust Dragon's" effect can be chained to the effect of a Continuous Spell or Trap Card, like "Blaze Accelerator" or "Skull Lair".

i would just like an answer regarding this situation from a recognized person please and thank you... Kearowind (talk • contribs) 15:44, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Stardust Dragon can still negate the effects of a card that don't destroy right away. The important part is whether or not the effect starts a chain when it actually tries to destroy cards.

For example, from the ruling of Ancient Forest:

"The effect "if a monster attacks, it is destroyed at the end of the Battle Phase" of "Ancient Forest" activates and starts a Chain."

Since it starts a chain, Stardust Dragon can still negate it. The same goes for Ekibyo Drakmord in the OCG because its effect starts a chain. However, in the TCG the effect of Ekibyo Drakmord does not start a chain. Therefore, in the TCG, Stardust Dragon cannot negate its effects.-- HHTurtle  (Talk) 15:51, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

o.o oh wow you're good

that was the exact ruling that was confusing me XD thanks HH is there a page that tells you how to determine if something starts a chain link? Kearowind (talk • contribs) 15:58, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Most of the time, you can tell from the card text. However, there are times when "you feel like choking the person who writes these card texts". You can always look at the Card Rulings to find out whether or not the effect starts a chain when it destroys cards.-- HHTurtle  (Talk) 16:04, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

i feel like choking the person who decided Simorgh was an exception to the rules. as a simorgh deck runner it makes me sad to see divine wrath taking out my birdy ; ^ ; thank you HH sorry to ask for you guys specifically so much . i just can't fully understand soemthing unless it is yugioh-speak XD. Kearowind (talk • contribs) 16:21, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

I also hate that they wrote it as an effect. It would have been so much better if it was a Summoning Condition. It also makes it easier to explain to people about Summoning Conditions. Well, you can't have everything your way, can you?-- HHTurtle  (Talk) 16:48, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

yeah like future fusion at 3 >:D heheheheheheh Kearowind (talk • contribs) 17:04, July 16, 2010 (UTC)