Forum:Major Card Erratas, List on Tip pages?

Recently, a card was changed significantly by a ruling. This is not an errata that changes a term like "Remove from play" to "Banish". This is an errata that changes the way the card works. The card in question is "Liberty at Last!", (Errata page, Tips page). Prior to this example, one noteworthy card was "Super Vehicroid - Stealth Union, (Tip Page). This card had a significant change and this was added to that card's tip page. With the first card listed, some users feel that this tip should be left off the page due to it not being a tip and that anyone who visits the page should already be aware of the change. I would like comments on if a Notice should be placed on the pages of cards that have had Significant gameplay change due to an errata. What do you think? --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 02:31, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

• You have a major problem. You think that all players are idiots. The site does not need to be babyproofed by you. We have an Errata page for a REASON. It doesn't matter if you have some belief that players only look at Card Tips pages, which is frankly hard to provide evidence for, it is not the place to put things that aren't Tips. They're already clogged up enough by non-Tips which are unhelpful to the majority of players. WHEN the card is errata'd, it will be apparent to the majority of players. In the meantime, the 6 people who actually use Liberty at Last! in their decks aren't going to have their lives shattered if they use the card wrong. Many cards in this game have complex rulings. The Card Tips page isn't the correct place to put these.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 02:36, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

There is already precedence for what this wikia does. I did that. It was removed. See the other card listed above for the original example. This card is ALREADY PRINTED in English and is a promo card so will likely not be printed again and if ever will be printed probably after 5 years. This wikia shows the image of cards in English so the "Newest card" printed will likely never show up on this wikia. This note is vital for maintaining ease on that card's tip page. --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 02:40, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

• You set the precedent yourself without any approval, that doesn't count. And all of that is speculation. The Wikia does not cater to what you think will happen. The Card Tips page is for, gasphorror, Card Tips. End of story.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 02:42, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

For this time, I am side with Wheeler - Errata Article has cover all the base already by time you tried to prove-read the error on print of the cards. Tip Article is for tips, which have to explain how the card itself work WITH OTHER CARD, not just point out the silly lines like this shit. --FredCat 02:47, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

There are two different mentions I need to make here. First, I was NOT the person who added the notice to the Card Tips:Super Vehicroid - Stealth Union page. Check the history. On top of that, unless someone like you, YamiWheeler, makes a stink about it, everything edited to a wikia is agreed/approved. It is the job of editors to attempt to keep the pages as accurate as possible. If you have a problem with this concept, you should make a forum page or have said something before a precedence was put in place. Second, the "Tips pages are for how the card interacts with other cards": This is true, however this is only part of the truth. The tips pages are for "How to use the card and how that card can affect or be affected by other cards". In this, it is important for others to know that there has been a Significant Gameplay Change to this card. I am not saying that this should be done on each card tip page; that is what the errata page is for. For how the card is used, a significant gameplay change should be noted. Especially if the main page shows a card face that is not accurate. --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 03:08, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, we keep pages as ACCURATE as possible. Card Tips. The wording of a card does not fall under Card Tips. It isn't about making a stink over something. It's about stopping busybodies like you from adding unnecessary information wherever they please, which, left to your own devices, would be all over the Wiki without "people like me making a stink." The main card article has been changed to reflect the change in errata, and right now, you are outvoted by majority.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 03:57, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Several problems with your last statement. First, is saying that the card has been changed not "accurate"? Second, YES the wording of the card plays under that card's tips. Depending on the wording of the card, plays needing a monster "destroyed and sent to the graveyard" differ from a card that just says "destroyed". Third, you causing a stink over an already established practice on this wikia is indeed a stink. You acting against the established practices of this wikia is a "stink" and so is you removing purposeful edits I make to this wikia. Fourth, the change you made to the main page wasn't discussed beforehand!!! OMG! We should remove it and discuss this first! I added a NOTE to that page following that, due to people possibly not being aware of the errata. If you want to raise a stink over this, check the History of that page. TWICE that was changed to what the card says even though the card is wrong. FredCat100 has already corrected one of those edits, (June 23rd, 2011 edits), but another was made later. Fifth, two people is not a "majority" in any eyes of decision making. With such a few population sample, a wide vote should be made throughout the wikia before changing policy. We should have the notice posted on the page and then have a forum page created to tally such a change in policy. --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 04:16, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

- edited --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 04:19, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

• There has been ONE page before that had notes added to them publicly. That is hardly "Wikia policy." If you get a mod or someone who actually knows what they're talking about to confirm said policy, then maybe that would change things. The wording of a card is NOT a Card Tip. It goes against the accuracy of the page, because it does not directly relate to the strategy of the card. This is why we have a specific page for Errata to begin with, because it doesn't belong anywhere else. And I don't need to have permission to change a page that is inaccurate, which is what the main card article was. And two people is most definitely the majority in this situation. If no more people put in their two cents, that will be the deciding factor. If you don't like it, too bad for you. Cry more, it makes no difference. I'm done arguing with you over this. I have better things to do. If the majority shifts, do let me know.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 04:36, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

I am aware of at LEAST 5 cards that have had their gameplay changed by an errata. There is "Waboku", "Super Vehicroid - Stealth Union", "Stardust Dragon" (considering the difference between Spell, Trap, and Spell/Trap effects), a Gladiator Beast card (but I am unable to determine the card at this time), and this card. "Waboku", "Super Vehicroid - Stealth Union", and "Stardust Dragon" all had MULTIPLE users question and or change things on this wikia due to this. So AT LEAST 3 other cards have had MULTIPLE mentions occur in the past. Anything followed and not disputed is considered policy. That is the essence of precedence. A change in gameplay is significant enough to be a tip of how to use a card. Again, two people is not a significant amount to change policy. Gain more support to change policy. If you wish to change this policy, it should be through a wikia wide pole. --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 05:06, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

• I'm sorry, I'm not quite getting your point. Are you trying to imply that we should put up notes on all card pages so that people don't ask questions about the card? Are you seriously going to be that retarded? Questions are why we have a Forum. People generally ask questions that they can find answers for elsewhere on the site anyway, but no, "they might not look there, so lets put up notes wherever we damn want!" As far as I'm aware, notes are not on the pages that you listed, and if they are, they should be removed, because it is unnecessary information placed there by people who think everyone on this site is an idiot. Also, so sorry, kid, but you don't get to decide what is enough and what isn't. Like I said, keep crying. This is the current majority verdict and we make decisions based on majority. THAT is Wikia policy. Deal with it.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 06:27, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Would it be fessible for something such as a comment saying "this card has been errata'd" on the front page of the card, though i suppose for good form, it would have to be done for 90% of all cards...

-81.107.155.93 (talk) 15:57, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Errata list

On a somewhat related note, can we get a list of all cards whose original English printing was not just in need of a wording change, but actually wrong, and hence the card got an Errata before a re-release? The ones I can think of are Colossal Fighter, Liberty at Last!, Amazoness Fighter, Mirror Force and Super Vehicroid - Stealth Union (and I suppose you could count Ultimate Offering and Waboku for their ambiguity, as well as Elemental HERO Rampart Blaster for her differing effect to the OCG). Does anyone know of any more? Battlemaniac (talk • contribs) 16:20, January 2, 2012 (UTC)