Forum:Swallow vs

A few questions about swallow's nest. If i summon a winged beast and my opponent activates torrential tribute, and i then activate swallow's nest does the monster that i special summon with nest stay on the mat or does it also get destroyed? same question slightly different situations with bottomless trap hole and mirror force, does my monster survive?99.65.217.157 15:31, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well, as for Swallow's Nest, it is resolve in the chain. When you tried to save the bird that you recent summon, it's also gone as well. Why, as you done with Nest, your opponent's Torrential Tribute started in the resolve pattern, destroy all monsters on the field, no matter which one has be remains or replaced. And to prevent your monster's destruction; put in Wildheart and/or Shien guy who has same stat to Wildheart, but different DEF and picture. They all still destroy when you're into those traps, except for Wildheart/Shien clone. --FredCat100 15:35, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

no because torrential/mirror force would be chain link 1 and swallow's nest would be chain link 2 so when it would resolve swallow's nest resolves first and then torrential/mirror so the new monster would still be destroyed no bottomless is a new story because it targets one monster while mirror and torrential do not target so if you chained on to the bottomless with swallow's nest when they resolve you would have a different monster out and the original target for bottomless would no longer be on the field so you would survive a bottomless trap but not mirror or torrential or even a lighting vortex since swallow's nest is a quickplay69.55.25.79 15:40, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

I know, Bottomless Trap Hole is target, while Torrential do not. --FredCat100 15:50, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, "Bottomless Trap Hole" also does not target. DemonGodAsura 16:15, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it does target. It targets all monsters that were summoned at that time, destroys them, and removes them from play. if you replace that monster that bottomless was chained to, bottomless wouldn't be able to target the new monster, would it? 70.247.169.204 17:56, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, that's right, just like D.D. Crow stole monster out of Monster Reborn's select, Reborn faded without effect. --FredCat100 17:58, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

See Card Rulings:Bottomless Trap Hole:

• This card can remove from play multiple monsters at once, if they are Summoned simultaneously. Since this card can affect multiple monsters, it does not target.

Regardless:

• Only the monster(s) that triggered "Bottomless Trap Hole" by being Normal / Flip / Special Summoned can be destroyed & removed from play by "Bottomless Trap Hole's" effect. Example: Player A Normal Summons "Dark Blade", and Player B activates "Bottomless Trap Hole" in response (Chain Link 1), then Player A chains the effect of his face-up "Ultimate Offering" to Tribute "Dark Blade" for "Summoned Skull" (Chain Link 2). "Ultimate Offering's" effect resolves first, and "Dark Blade" is Tributed for "Summoned Skull". Then the effect of "Bottomless Trap Hole" disappears because the monster it would have applied to is no longer on the field.

--Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 18:08, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

well that clears up the whole bottomless trap hole problem but what about the situations involving mirror force and torrential tribute? in the case of mirror force, would my only option be to special summon the new monster with nest in defense mode?

Yes, if your opponent activates Mirror Force, you can activate Swallow's Nest and summon anoter in defense, and it won't be destroyed, but all other face up attack monsters you control. If you summon, we say hunters owl, and your opponent activates Torrential, you can activate Swallows Nest and summon another winged beast monster, but that before all monsters on the field is destroyed (see Chain). Then, when your monster is summoned, it and all monsters is destroyed, so your monster will die.Ancientgearking 19:21, March 22, 2010 (UTC)