Talk:Gold Series

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You have to admit, Konami/UpperDeck have not been treating the collectors of this game fairly. The mass reprint of most of the strongest cards in the game brings down the value of the cards by such a high degree. Here's an example: A 1st Edition Grandmaster STON-EN000 was worth 70.00+ USD before the release of the First Edition Gold Series. Now, that price has plummeted to 40.00 USD. Reprinting the cards AND retaining their value at the same time is the correct way to do it. Slashing the values of cards and killing the secondary market is not a fair way to reprint. It's breaking the game apart. This is, after all, a TRADING CARD GAME. Why should anyone want to trade for rare versions of cards when they can easily search for a reprinted version that can be used in the exact same way in a duel instead? Sure, one may argue that the reprints are for the game's players while the originals are for the collectors, but seriously, how is it fair for those who have traded (doing exactly what this game is supposed to be about) a significant amount for certain highly valuable cards, only to be punished as they watched those highly valuable cards reprinted and become easily obtainable by anyone?

I don't see why it matters now, most collectables are good AFTER the craze is over (the game is still popular in a sense). Dmaster (Contribs • Count) 18:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

It is not breaking the game apart, it's doing quite the opposite. Making all the best cards rare and expensive means only "rich" players can make competitive decks. -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Exactly! I've been up against players who have that kind of money and could buy whatever they very well please whenever they feel the urge. These are the kind of people this game is made for. The only reason I've held my own against them is because I've had to work hard for my good cards (and, I'm not gonna lie, a little luck help out too), and I've honed my skills for nearly six years, building up on what I've got, instead of just buying an overly expensive card at my whim.

Rogueduelist89 19:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

You don't understand - It's doing quite the opposite for DUELISTS mostly. But it's saddening for those who have greatly invested in certain valuable cards that are now re-printed. What's the point in trading when every single duelist can easily obtain the same powerful cards? If every duelist can acquire the same cards, two problems arise: 1. This might decrease the originality of decks. 2. Say you're dueling a newer player that has net-decked a tier 1 SJC winner and you're trying something original, lets say a water deck. Chances are that, even if your skill level is way above your opponent, he/she will win by abusing the game's most powerful cards (which are easily obtainable, remember?).

The above replier stated that he worked hard for his good cards - If those good cards are reprinted so that many others can now get it without working half as hard as you did, how would you feel?

If you paid 70 dollars for a Destiny Draw card, you also paid for the card's power. Wouldn't you want others to pay at least the same amount (rather than much lower) to acquire the same kind of power?

I guess I can give another example to explain my point further: Hypothetical: Duelist A trades 1st Edition Grandmaster of the Six Samurai STON-EN000 + Allure of Darkness (ULTRA) for -> Duelist B's 1st Edition Destiny Draw. A couple of months later, Destiny Draw gets reprinted in Gold Series 2nd Edition. Duelist A now has lost a few of things:

-Card Value: The reprinting of Destiny Draw will decrease the original's price. -Effort: Duelist A may now feel like the effort he/she put into finding a suitable trade was wasted. -Time: Duelist A also may feel like a lot of the time, if not all, he/she spent searching for a trader went to waste. -Will to Trade: Duelist A may become more reluctant to trade in the future. This is a trading card game guys.

You see, the "rich man's game dilemma" is not actually a problem because it defines hierarchy, which is essential in almost all hobbies. You have to invest more (whether it be time, money, or effort) to gain more. In professional computer gaming, if you spend more money upgrading your computer's specs and your hardware and more time for practice, you bring yourself up in the hierarchy. In anime/manga drawing, if you spend more money to obtain better supplies and time to practice, your drawings bump up a notch. In cosplay, if you invest more of your time, effort, and money, into your project, it will turn out better. In modifying an automobile, a better car means buying/trading for better parts that are more expensive. Similarly, in Yu-Gi-Oh, a more powerful deck means buying/trading for better, more expensive cards.

I hope that helps make my point a little clearer.

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If you want to be original with your WATER Deck, yeah its going to unfair for to you to easily lose to someone who has simply netdecked. Making the cards expensive and rare means it's only the "rich" players who are going to be able to netdeck and still beat the original Deck. Netdecking is hard to avoid, but restricting who has access to the cards is not the solution, I would like to see.

Regardless of if someone plans to netdeck or not, "Mirror Force" is a card benefits nearly every Deck, so they're going to need it and deserve easy access to it.

"Destiny Draw" and Grandmaster are staples for nearly all Destiny Hero and "Six Samurai" Decks (Wether you're netdecking or being creative). So if you wanted to be creative in making one of those you can't because you don't have access to key cards.

Your hierarcy philophsy is interesting, but again all it does is divides the so called rich and poor. But this is a game, how you rank should be defined by how skillful you are, not how much money you can invest. It's unfair for someone who knows all there is to know about a particular Deck, they plan making themselves, only to be let down by the high number of Ultra Rare cards needed.

I see what you mean about how people feel cheated after spending/trading valuables. It's cruel, but I'd still rather have more people freely chose what cards they can use.

That said I'm not someone whose evenly remotely benefitting from this Gold Series, since I can't get them anywhere, so I'm not being biased. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't think signing my messages will accomplish anything useful (I'm not a member like everyone else! To be honest, I don't even know if I should be typing here >.< ... I guess I'll just sign with my alias.)

Anyways, this is aimed at Deltaneos. But this is a game, how you rank should be defined by how skillful you are, not how much money you can invest. It's unfair for someone who knows all there is to know about a particular Deck, they plan making themselves, only to be let down by the high number of Ultra Rare cards needed.

I guess this is where we disagree. You say it's a game that depends on skill, I say it's a hobby that depends on both skill and time/effort investment (well...of course luck plays a part too).

You say the almighty mirror force should be easily accessible to everyone, including beginners, while I say it should be limited to more dedicated players that are willing to invest more. Basically, I think you're saying that staples should be easy to obtain for anyone, and not only for rich players. But what about players who aren't which, like myself, but are dedicated to the game/hobby enough to be willing to pay larger amounts for stronger cards? Staples are called "staples" because they're very powerful cards. I think that these cards should definitely be priced higher than cards that are not as strong. It only makes sense right? Like how more powerful items in World of Warcraft cost more!

You say it divides rich and poor, which (in my opinion) is only partially true (because some poor but extremely dedicated duelists may invest larger quantities than some rich duelists) but I believe it also divides a lot of the duelists who are dedicated to the game from those who are less so.

I'm glad we agree that it's cruel for the people who feel cheated by reprints. But I don't agree when it comes to everyone being able to have the same cards. Everyone should be able to choose to use the same cards, but to actually aquire them - I think stronger cards should be more difficult to get than weaker ones. This is why stronger cards are usually higher in rarity. I honestly don't see the point in trading anymore if all the strongest cards like DAD, ALLURE, D.DRAW, JUDGMENT DRAGON etc. were to be reprinted and easily accessible to everyone. I believe that stronger cards do deserve heavier price tags, it's the way the world works. Pay more out of your pocket, get more out of your product. Pay less, get less. This gets into the problem about currency, and that topic leads to endless discussion.

I think people on my side of this discussion (there are few, if any) are starting to be heard. According to this website, the Gold Series 2nd Edition is going to have "increased value perception" which is supposed to increase the secondary market prices. Good news for me (\(^o^)/)!

I respect your opinion. Everyone thinks differently, and that's o.k.~ This is just one of those things that you have to say "To each his own." to.

How many rare cards are in each pack?

63.225.176.154 19:40, 12 June 2008 (UTC)Rex

OCG Gold Series

Can anyone tell me how many Gold Rares there are per pack? Toob 16:20, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Question on Gold Rares

is the japanese version of Gold Rare cards supposed to have a golden Eye of Anubis Hologram or not? 218.186.10.234 10:28, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Pack type article

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the plan was to have the TCG Gold Series set covered at Gold Series (TCG) and have this title used to document the overall "Gold Series" set type, similar to what we do with e.g. Premium Pack (and indeed, that's how I tagged this page for a split, and how Delt handled it in {{Packs}}...). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:59, October 8, 2012 (UTC)