User:HerrRodney

.. but what if the special effect of increasing the ATK excludes herself? Other than that the argument is sound.. carry on..--Pcouw 02:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe it excludes herself, if it did I'd like to think Ziegfried would say so. Simply a calculation observation on my part. --HerrRodney 22:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)