User talk:Zincoshine

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Reasons for Limitations

Yes, I'm aware it doesn't cater to mine. That's why you don't see me adding things to it based on my opinion alone. FYI, you aren't "tidying" anything, that page is part of the forums and not directly part of the Wiki, it is not an article. It doesn't need to be "tidied" because it will never be factual; the entire thing is opinionated, albeit at least on a general consensus level. Regardless, if you want to make changes, create a talk page about it and discuss it first.

Also, let's go through what's wrong with your list.

• Cyber-Stein: Changing it from "Very Low" to "Low" was unnecessary. There's little distinction between the two, and it's essentially just a change for the sake of a change.

Cyber stein has been unbanned from the OCG. That increases the probability of it being unbanned in the TCG as well. Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 02:11, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Still an unnecessary change. Whether or not the TCG will follow the OCG's example is pure guesswork at this point.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 02:34, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

The entire page is guesswork Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 01:17, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

• Destiny HERO - Disk Commander: Another unnecessary edit, this time to wording. Why?

Because not all cards that contain an effect that can revive a monster from the grave have that effect as their only effect. Redox is not monster reborn for example. Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 02:11, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

What difference does that make in a post about the Forbidden List?--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 02:34, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Making it clearer? Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 01:17, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

• Tribe-Infecting Virus: When did this card ever have such a massive impact on the game that would lead you to suggest that it will never come off the list? Do you have some inside knowledge? Likely not, you just think that it's strong, therefore you want to change it. This is why we revert the opinions of random people. This card could come off the list, it requires a discard, which is a steep cost, cards like Effect Veiler, Fiendish Chain, Breakthrough Skill, etc. now exist to make that cost even steeper. Decks are also much more varied, which means that the possibility of this card being game changing (by destroying more than 1 monster) drops considerably.

There is no chance of this ever coming back, especially when a card to replace it was designed. A discard can be advantageous in quite a few decks that are graveyard reliant. Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 02:11, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Says you, I've just given various reasons why it could very easily come off the list.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 02:34, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Your reasons are retarded. might as well bring back chaos emperor dragon and goyo guardian with your argument. Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 01:17, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, ignoring the fact that Chaos Emperor Dragon and Goyo Guardian are both huge ATK beatsticks, do not directly affect your Normal Summon, do not have steep costs that would hurt to have to pay for a negated effect, and have wildly different counters. Other than that, they're clearly very similar arguments. You seriously should stop, every letter you type exposes your idiocy further.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 20:17, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

• Card of Safe Return: Sentence changed to be less fluid and more awkward, with an unnecessary explanation added. Everyone knows why this card was banned, the reason is Plaguespreader Zombie.

Yes, but the reason it is still banned is because of how much the game has changed since this was created. Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 02:11, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Why does that need to be mentioned? Why is that even a notable point? Yes, it was banned when the game changed enough for it to be abusable, but it's been years since it was banned, why are you adding an explanation now?--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 02:34, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Because the whole fucking point of that page is to mention stuff like this? Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 01:17, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

Funny, I don't see OCD-level clarification anywhere else on the page.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 20:17, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

• Crush Card Virus: I don't necessarily disagree with this, but once again, "Never" is a high classification. With Sangan gone and the number of decks that can utilize it low, there was no reason to change this card from Very Low.

Yes, it is a high classification and if there is one card out of all the cards on that list that will never come back, it is this one. Everyone is going to dump dark monsters with 1000 ATK into their decks if this card gets unbanned anyway. I guess necro gardna would be the most popular choice. Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 02:11, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Random DARK monsters with less than 1000 ATK are not splashable into every deck, and as a rule of thumb, a deck needs more than a few targets to justify running a card (see Allure of Darkness as an example). The most splashable one, Sangan is long gone. And no, this is not the one card that is definitely never going to come off the list, that classification is more suited to cards like Chaos Emperor Dragon or Makyura the Destructor, truly game-changing cards.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 02:34, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

• Return from the Different Dimension: This card had a massive impact on the last meta, being regarded as a "win button" for Dragon Rulers. Once again, "Never" is a high classification, especially for a card that was only recently banned, but if you think it's going to be coming back while Dragon Rulers decks are still in moderate use, you're dead wrong.

No I do not think that it is going to come back while e-drags are around, and I do not think it will be coming back anytime soon, but I do believe it will eventually come back. Never is too strong for this, we have rekindling at unlimited you know. Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 02:11, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, we've had Rekindling at 3 for a long time, and decks still aren't dominating with it. Also, reviving up to 5 FIRE monsters with 200 DEF is a lot different from reviving 5 banished monsters of any category.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 02:34, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

• Self-Destruct Button: Who cares?

• Solemn Judgment: Unnecessary distinction.

Actually it is a very necessary distinction. warning is more powerful than judgment, it can stop gorz and battle fader. Divine wrath is the only other card with that ability. Judgment can't do shit in the damage phase.Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 02:11, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Warning is more powerful than Judgment? Are you daft? Warning is useful in the niche that it provides, but Judgment is an all-negating super Trap. It can negate summons, Spells, Traps, which means it can secure OTKs or a power board at risk from mass removal cards. It also can be used at any point in the game, regardless of how low your Life Points are, making the chance of it being a dead draw much, much lower than Warning. Also, it's Damage Step, not phase.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 02:34, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

You know royal decree is unlimited right? stopping traps is child's play. As for spells, the only spell worth using judgment on is dark hole, everything else is banned. Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 01:17, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

And who runs Royal Decree? OTK decks, if even that? Running many Traps to deal with powerful threats is much more practical than either running no Traps at all or having your own Traps potentially disabled by your own card. Also, with that logic, MST, Dust Tornado, Twister, etc. are all at 3. Royal Decree also can't be chained to Solemn Judgment. And implying Dark Hole is the only Spell worth using it on is one of the stupidest statements you've made, and there's enough to choose from. You should stop talking.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 20:17, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

• Evilswarm Ophion: Opinionated conjecture added that has nothing to do with the impact of the card.

Oh? Remember when they wanted to promote Xyz of syncro?Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 02:11, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Once again, what does it have to do with the impact of the card itself?--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 02:34, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

OK, maybe you should read through that list and see that my statement doesn't differ from similar statements made on a few cards, Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 01:17, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

• Dark Hole: It could very well go back to being banned at any point, it's a card that has floated between Limited and Banned for its entire existence.

Not happening with the current pattern that the meta is taking. mirror force going to 2 is the biggest hint.Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 02:11, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Mirror Force is a Trap Card that is susceptible to removal, unlike Dark Hole. Your reasoning is getting worse and worse.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 02:34, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

• Reinforcement of the Army: Again, an unnecessary distinction without any evidence.

Fire formation tengu went to unlimited, it is the beast warrior version of this card. Why wouldn't this also go down as well?Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 02:11, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

The likelihood of Fire Formation - Tenki going back to 2 or even 1 is more likely than RotA coming down. Tenki was brought down to promote Bujins, and that's pretty much it. Otherwise, following the pattern of other search cards, it should be at 1.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 02:34, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

It was likely for tenki to go to 1, in fact I expected it to do so in january, but instead it went to 3 so that means I was, and you are, wrong in your predictions. As such we can now assume ROTA will follow. Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 01:17, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

• Macro Cosmos: Unnecessary example given. Why?

I meant to edit d fissure, this edit was a mistakeZincoshine (talk • contribs) 02:11, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

• Solemn Warning: Once again, opinionated conjecture with no evidence. Nothing suggests this card is going to be banned. While it can be great with the correct timing, the game has enough S/T removal to counteract it. It also has a high cost, can be a dead draw late game, and is one of the only counters to Evilswarm Exciton Knight. It is not going to be banned.

No, it is not one of the only cards that can stop exciton. If you were going to say gorz you would have a point. Anyway, on exciton you have a lot of choices, the most popular choice is fiendish chains chained to it's effect to stop it.Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 02:11, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but Solemn Warning makes it so Exciton doesn't get a chance to use its effect at all, preventing any counters in the form of MST, Book of Moon, etc. Solemn Warning is a definitive counter to Exciton Knight, and one of the few cards that can boast to that.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 02:34, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Who cares if it uses its effect if it gets negated by something? fiendish chains is just as definitive as solemn warning against exciton. By the way, you do realise that this argument of yours have reinforced all of my arguments on the discussion on solemn judgment, right? lol Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 01:17, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

Because unlike Solemn Warning, Fiendish Chain, Effect Veiler and the like can be chained to and negated by MST, Book of Moon, Compulsory Evacuation Device, and a number of other cards. This means that Exciton's effect will resolve successfully. This is not an issue with Warning. And how is being able to stop 1 card somehow reinforcing your argument that this card is better than Judgment? Judgment can do the exact same thing. Please stop talking. You are not a smart person.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 20:17, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

• Card Trooper: Unlikely.

Think about the reason. Think hard, you'll agree then.Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 02:16, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

I have thought about it, and that's why I stand by my statement.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 02:34, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

TBH, I find the whole idea of guessing a card's status a bit foolish anyway, because no one has any idea what will come off or go on the list next, but some of these are just ridiculous even for conjecture.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 00:06, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Lol Zincoshine, the very fact you said "Damage phase" has just discredited you. If you don't even know the difference between phases and steps, clearly you are inexperienced at the game. We're going to remove the "probability a card will stay at X status" because of your actions. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 02:22, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

That's clearly the best action to take in this circumstance. It's evident that a lot of his reasoning is based solely on personal opinion and nothing else.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 02:34, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

No, I know the different phases, it's just that I get confused with some rulings of some cards like gandiva and steelswarm roach... anyway, this flame war has shown that removing the probabilities is for the best because really, it is all nothing but senseless guessing by everyone. No one here has any idea what is going through the minds of the people in konami. Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 01:17, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, it's shown that you are a classic example of an awful player who thinks they're better than they are and know more than they do, and you are the sole reason why the reasons have been removed. Well done. Your points aren't even worth replying to, but feel free to continue making stupid assumptions somewhere that cares.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 19:54, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I've decided I will reply to some of your points, if only to cement what idiotic arguments you're making. I doubt there's much point, considering your ability to understand simple and reasonable points is grim at best, but it's worth one final shot.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 20:17, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

So much butthurt, you need a girlfriend bro. You don't seem to realise how unhealthy your anger over something so petty is. That's the real reason the probabilities need to be removed. Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 02:55, February 8, 2014 (UTC)

Geez, and I thought your Yu-Gi-Oh! predictions, assumptions and reasoning was awful. This is all hilarious coming from a guy crying over the loss of his probability list.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 19:31, February 8, 2014 (UTC)

Crying? what.... it's you who is whining about the probabilities being removed.... Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 23:04, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

I knew you were stupid, but this stupid? When did I ever whine about that? I was the one who talked to Golden Key about them getting removed to begin with. Seriously, just stop talking, you're spouting nothing but crap.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 23:26, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

You're both delusional and absurd. Stop spamming my talk page already, there is nothing of value left to discuss. Zincoshine (talk • contribs) 23:31, February 15, 2014 (UTC)

No problem. I really hope they find a cure for whatever it is you have, but I don't think 'stupid' or 'virgin' can be cured that easily, at least not for someone like you. Ciao.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 00:38, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

Fan-Made Images

Please do not post fan-made images on the Wikia. Thank you. Thirteenth Chimera!! (talk • contribs) 18:53, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

Fan-made images

We don't allow them, plain and simple. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 18:53, April 27, 2014 (UTC)