Forum:Great shogun shien

What happens if my opponent activates demise of the land when i special summon great shogun shien?Renz0kuken 04:23, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

You cannot activate Demise of the Land while Great Shogun Shien is special summoned through it's continuous effect. ATEMVEGETA 06:47, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

It will work. "Great Shogun Shien" prevents you from manually activating new cards. You manually activate "Demise of the Land", but the Field Spell Card activates automatically as part of resolving "Demise of the Land". --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 22:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

You put me in very deep thinking. Are you sure that it works like that? Is that your opinion or did you find it in a UDE forum or another similar example? Now with a further search I also believe the same thing as you, but I'm still not 100% sure about that. ATEMVEGETA 23:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

(Hm, I could have sworn I put "to my knowledge" or something similar in there....)

No, it's my opinion. It's been ruled that you can activate "Demise of the Land" while "Great Shogun Shien" is on the field, but they never explained why. My explanation makes the most sense, to me at least.

I suppose an alternate explanation is that "Demise of the Land" is activating the Field Spell Card, not the player. But the first explanation makes more sense. --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 21:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok. Let's leave it as you said. ATEMVEGETA 22:34, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

• Wait a sec. Isn't that the same as "Last Resort" vs "Field Barrier"? Where's the difference? ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 15:42, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. I guess that now my second explanation makes more sense. "Field Barrier" reads,

Also, a new Field Spell Card cannot be activated.

They cannot be activated, period. Players cannot activate them, and other cards cannot activate them.

--Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 21:55, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, it is cleared now. Thanks! ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 22:11, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Now I'm confused. What happens with Great Shogun Shien and Demise of the Land anyway? Can Demise of the Land be activated, while Shogun is face-up, and it's effect disappears when it resolves, OR Demise of the Land cannot be activated from the beginning because you know that its effect cannot resolve? Blue-Eyes Shining Girl 17:56, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

• You can activate "Demise of the Land" and it will resolve properly. --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 19:48, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
  • But, why it isn't the same as Last Resort with Field Barrier. Blue-Eyes Shining Girl 20:05, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

• It isn't the same because with Great Shogun Shien vs. Demise of the Land, it is not the player who activates the Field Spell, it is the result of the activation of another spell. Essentially it is a Spell Card that "plays" (activates) Field Spells - the player activates only one Spell - the other one is activated as the result of the first one's resolution. In Field Barrier vs. Last Resort it is stated that new Field Spell Cards cannot be activated. That means that a part of the effect of Last Resort cannot take place, so the whole effect disappears. It would be the same with Demise of the Land vs. Field Barrier, I believe. --Darth Covah (Talk | Contribs) 21:33, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Does Shien count as a "six samurai" monster?

His effect states that if he would be destroyed I can destroy "another" six samurai monster. So my question is does he himself count as a six samurai monster even though he doesn't have six samurai in his name?

I also ask this question about shiens chancellor as well since he to has that effect.