Forum:Negating Pendulum Monsters when being activated as a Spell.

Hello. I have a bit of an odd question that I was hoping someone could link me to a decisive answer regarding the new Pendulum Monsters. My friend was activating a Pendulum Monster as a Spell in a Pendulum Zone and I had a face-up "Naturia Beast". I declared that I was using the effect of "Beast" and milled two cards. My friend, who is a qualified judge at a local tournament and rarely misunderstands rulings, said that Pendulum Monsters that are being activated in a Pendulum Zone are considered Monster Cards that then have a Continuous Effect that causes them to be treated as a Spell Card, but only after they resolve. He was believing that I could not use "Beast" because it is a "Monster Card", not a "Spell Card". I am pretty sure that I am correct with my usage of "Naturia Beast" and its effect, however I cannot find specific answers as to the classification of the activation of the Pendulum Monster as a Spell Card.

The only specific resulting answer I found was a YuGiOh Blog post where the following was stated:

• "Playing Pendulum Monster Cards as Pendulum Spells doesn’t even take up Spell & Trap Card Zones, so you can still use all your favorite Spells and Traps without worrying about running out of Zones. What’s even better, is that playing a Pendulum Spell isn’t a one-shot ability like Normal Spell Cards – they stay on the field as Spell Cards and their effects continue to apply as long as they’re on the field!" (https://yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=6333)

Can anyone point me to more facts regarding this?

My friend also said another thing about Pendulum Summons that I did not think was true so I also present that to you:

• "To perform a Pendulum Summon, you must Activate both Pendulum Monsters (like an effect) in your 2 Pendulum Zones."

This makes it into a chain to Pendulum Summon and makes the summon itself into a Special Summon that is not inherent like Synchro and Xyz Summons are. You would also be able to disrupt the Pendulum Summon by chaining a card that would remove one of the Pendulum Monsters acting as a Spell Card. Such as using "Mystical Space Typhoon".

As I am not a Judge myself, I am not sure of any recent rulings that may say this, however my friend says that YuGiOhPro follows this concept and that Judges have been told that it is correct. Can I get validation or conflictions regarding this? --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 06:59, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

When a pendulum is activated as a spell, it is treated as a spell then and can be negated as such, meaning Beast, Magic Jammer and the like can negate their activations (this destroys them and sends them to the graveyard, not the extra deck, as they were not on the field when they died). this makes some interesting things happen with Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell, see its rulings (and the fact that there are rulings on CSotFS vs Pendulums also proves you were correct).

on the second point, your friend is Dead wrong, Pendulum summoning is inherent, thus starts no chain. NOTHING "Activates", you simply declare you are doing so and do so, just like with synchro or xyzs summons. This means you cannot chain MST to a pendulum summoning (as it does not start a chain, they must MST before you declare it or they are out of luck)

Any other questions?

DreadKaiser (talk • contribs) 07:21, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

DreadKaiser, that Ruling for "Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell" was exactly what I needed. It details exactly that the Pendulum Monster is being activated as a Spell. Otherwise the Ruling would have been different. For the second part, it was more for when he was saying that I could use "Beast" to stop the Pendulum Monster. It wasn't really a heated conversation but knowing that there was no Ruling recently made regarding that will help some more. Thank You for your response. --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 10:49, November 18, 2014 (UTC)