Forum:September 2013 Banlist Predictions

My Predictions

We're still a ways away from September (May 5 now) but there's a lot of action going on now, especially with the recent TCG release of Hidden Arsenal 7. Here are my current predictions for the September 2013 banlist:

Banned:

• Mind Control - This card is way overdue IMO. Yeah you can't attack with or tribute the monster, but most of us don't care about that when you can always synchro or xyz summon with it anyways.
• Pot of Avarice - Same as Mind Control. This isn't very likely, but this card still gives way too much recycling power and draw power, especially in the mid and late games.

Limited:

• Atlantean Dragoons - Mermail-Atlanteans need to be hit this format. This card is why they're so consistent; searching an entire type by itself is way too good IMO.
• Rescue Rabbit - Rabbits aren't quite as good as they once were without Sangan, but if you insist on hitting Dinos, Evilswarms, and Fire Fists do this. They can still search and reuse it with Gold Sarc/Leviair anyways.
• Sinister Serpent - I honestly think this card is worth testing at 1. Running it in Mermails is like running it in Dark Worlds -- You'll always have something better to pitch in both decks, and Divine Wrath/Lightning Vortex ect are just bad in the current metagame.
• Tidal, Elemental Dragon of Cascades - Mermail-Atlanteans would abuse this card if it stays unlimited, since they can already make enough rank 7's with Abyssmegalo/Abyssteus, ect. It's also a great way to trigger Dragoons, Marksman, Infantry, Gunde/Hilde, ect. This and Tempest should go to 1 to slow down e-drags.
• Tempest, Elemental Dragon of Cyclones - There's a LOT of hate over the Elemental Dragons, and while they can be sided against quite easily in games 2 and 3, they're still too powerful with 3 copies of this. Like Dragoons, Tempest can search an entire type by itself. Limit this and Tidal (above) to 1, and the deck is still playable, but not broken.
• (Maybe) Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity - Personally I think Konami over-hit Wind-ups with the March 2013 lists, but I don't really expect this to happen since Konami rarely undoes a banned change just one format later.
• Fire Formation - Tenki - ROTA for Beast-Warriors. Nuff said really.

Semi-Limited:

• T.G. Striker - T.G. Agents haven't made a huge impact on the current meta; this could come down to 2 to give them a better chance.
• One for One - With Disc Commander, Fishborg Blaster, Substitoad, and Mind Master now banned, this could come down to 2 to give slower decks a chance.
• Solemn Warning - This card was balanced at 2 to slow down the tons of special summons we see in today's metagame. Double Warning first turn can be irritating, but it's not that hard to get around, especially in a format where everyone mains Storm and 3 mst's.

Unlimited:

• Thunder King Rai-Oh - Either this, or limit it to one. I prefer this. No one ran more than 2 T-King's begin with.
• Tsukuyomi - The Tsukuyomi Lockdown is not playable so long as Time Seal stays banned, so...why not?
• Magical Stone Excavation - This card just doesn't see play anymore. Diamond Dude Turbo, Empty Jar, and Fableds are the only decks that really run this card in today's metagame, none of which are threatening the current meta in the first place.
• Mirror Force - There have been fewer decks running this card as a main deck staple since it came down to 2, and it's usually viewed as being inferior to Bottomless, Torrential, Warning, Compuls, and D-Prison with the amount of destruction, negation, and protection power against it. Even if Mirror Force does get unlimited, I doubt anyone would run 3.

Well, these are my current predictions. Any comments on them? 98.206.70.2 (talk) 12:37, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think we'll see Pot of Avarice hit, it's been at 1 for at least 3 formats and seems to be fine there. As for Atlanteans, Dragoons might help slow the deck down, but it might also not be enough. I think that Tenki should get hit, but only if we get Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Chicken. I don't really have much to say about the other choices. But I do want to add that I think we'll have a somewhat good shot of getting some hits for cards in Lord of the Tachyon Galaxy, mostly because it allows both the TCG and OCG to play E-Drags at Worlds. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 00:27, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

I think that Dragoons helps in slowing it down, but Mermail-Atlanteans might still be too good if Mermail Abysslinde stays unlimited. Limiting that to 1 along with Dragoons might be enough, or too much. Tenki is the only real problem with the deck; it can be easily searched in fire fists anyways (by plenty of other cards than Chicken -- Bear, Gorilla, Tiger King, ect), and can be reused since it's continuous. Limiting it to 1 solves every broken aspect with Fire Fists. With regards to LOTTG, I don't think the Mecha Phantom Beasts will get hit; at most maybe Dracossack to 2 or 1, but Dracossack is not the problem with E-Drags as you only need one to make a first turn LaDD anyways, or pull off other combos with it. As much as I hate going up against a first turn LaDD, limiting Tempest is likely the best thing to slow them down, yet still keep them alive; if that doesn't happen I could also see an outright ban on REDMD. Battlin' Boxers aren't hard to get around, and I don't think they'll get hit either. Unless Prophecies start topping, same goes for Spellbook Judgment Day. However, it's pretty hard to call which cards, if any, will be banned; that's kinda opinion based, and it's difficult to predict what Konami will ban sometimes. (BLS is broken, but it hasn't done much on the tournament scene overall. Reborn is broken, but everyone can use it, so why complain? Gateway is a win button, but Six Sams aren't doing anything. Card Destruction is a win button for Dark Worlds and Fableds, but like Sams, neither of them are doing anything. Offering is broken, but it isn't consistent in the decks it's used in, by virtue of being limited). (meh, made some spelling errors) 98.206.70.2 (talk) 15:22, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

(Edit) After i've put some more thought into my list, I think this is what will happen. 98.206.70.2 (talk) 16:55, May 8, 2013 (UTC) 65.131.54.202 (talk) 22:18, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

My Preditions

Banned:

Mind Control - this card Has been used to synchro or xyz monsters by using your opponent's monster, also you can steal a monster your opponent controls and use it for a cost of an effect other than tribute cost. Its best to ban this card especially when Judgment of the Light is coming out with new synchro monsters.

Limited:

Mermail Abyssmegalo - This card is the main reason why Mermail/Atlantean Decks are topping. This is one of the cards that make the deck look fast, also this card causes Otk/Ftks. limiting this can solve the problem.

Atlantean Dragoons - This is another card that makes Mermail/Atlantean Decks look fast, also this can make your 3 or lower sea serpents attack directly. Limiting this card can help slow down the deck.

Rescue Rabbit - Rescue Rabbit has dominated 3 formats with Dino Rabbits. Also now there are other decks that are using this card such as Evilswarms, Fire Fist, Harpies, Gem-Knights, etc. This card won't dominate much if its limited.

Sinister Serpent - Too slow for the meta nowanddays, even the dark door combo with this card can handle the speed of the new decks, especially with 3 MSTs and Heavy Storm.

Imperial Order - Not as broken as it used to be when the meta got faster. Also, there are decks now that has spell/trap removal cards that arent spell cards, meaning this card might not last as much on the field. Also top decks wouldnt really run this card. Also Royal Decree is unlimited, so...

Gold Sarcophagus - the Dragon Ruler archetype can use this card to banish a Dragon Ruler monster (level 7 ones) from your deck, then using the effect of the Dragon Ruler monster adding a dragon of their element from the deck to the hand, making you not lose much hand advantage and getting the banished Dragon Ruler monster to your hand at the 2nd Standby Phase.

Fire Formation - Tenki - This card can bring out almost any the Fire Fist monster from your deck to your hand. also you can use this card in other decks that has Beast Warrior monsters. This card can be brought out your deck by most of the Fire Fist monster's effect.

Semi-Limited:

Mermail Abysslinde - Although this card can bring out any Mermail moster other than herself, her effect can really only be used once per turn.

Gladiator Beast Bestiari - Gladiator Beast arent doing nothing.

Formula Synchron - Not as good anymore due to the good level 1 tuners banned. also this card isnt really doing much in the current meta.

Mezuki - Zombie decks arent doing anything.

Book of Moon - popular decks really runs this card anymore.

One for One - Plant decks really only use this card, and they arent topping.

Unlimited

Debris Dragon - Not much useable in this format.

Tsukuyomi - no one uses this card.

Advanced Ritual Art - No one really uses ritual decks anymore.

Magical Stone Excavation - Same as Tsukuyomi.

Reasoning - Same as Tsukuyomi.

Mirror Force - This card really never gets a chance to use it's effect after it gets blown-up by a card effect. Torrential Tribute is considered better than this card cause it can break strategies that this card can't. Mecha Phantom Beast monsters arent really gonna be affected by this card. Also most people wouldn't really run more than 2.

Thats what i think my predition is, any comments? Guardian Skunk (talk • contribs) 15:23, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

Formula Synchron can't come back, Plants still exist and Synchron decks can probably make use of this card, same with One for One. Gladiator Beast Bestiari won't come down because then all of a sudden you get Gladiator Beast Gyzarus spam, not really fun. I also don't think Imperial Order is going to come down, I think it's been proven time and time again that decks can win without trap line-ups, but they can't really win without spells. It's a broad generalization, but really true, plus not all decks can run trap or Monster removal effects, some can but not all. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 01:32, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

I could see Formula Synchron come down to 2 at some point, but it still gives Synchro decks lots of draw power, especially with T.G. Hyper, and T.G. Striker or One for One to 2 would be better. One for One isn't all that good with Disc Commander, Substitoad, Mind Master, Glow-Up Bulb, and Magical Scientist now banned, so it might not do much harm at 2. Also, if you wanted to hit E-Drags, Gold Sarc isn't the best way to go, neither is Necroface or LaDD. REDMD getting banned is a possibility, but hitting some of the big e-drags is probably the best way to go. If you think Bestiari or Mezuki should come down from one...yeah you probrably haven't faced a descent Glad Beast or Zombie build in a while. They're still a pain to go up against sometimes, even with their key cards limited (Plaguespreader also a key card in zombies). Glads can already search their 1 Bestiari with 3 Test Tigers and/or 3 Gladiator Proving Grounds. Book of Moon coming down is a possibility, but when Konami unlimited it a while back, people abused the hell out of it, so they limited it again to prevent abuse from it. It's pretty much a trap in the form of a spell; it seems fine at one. Unfortunately for Imperial Order, it's probrably never going to leave the forbidden list. One, yes everyone would run the card, and two, we're instantly going to have a "set 5 backrows and end my turn format" if Order comes back, except Heavy Storm and Mst won't be there to save you. That and, you can just choose not pay 700 in your standby to activate spells on your turn and create ridiculous otk's. Unbanning Order is pretty much the equivalent of banning Storm -- it ain't gonna happen. 75.5.237.113 (talk) 12:34, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Wow, have any of you been paying attention to Dueling Network? Only 2-3 Decks are being used: Dragon Rulers, Spellbook, and Evilswarm. The problem are the first 2 'cause they're too versatile. Spellbook of Judgment will definitely get limited and maybe Spellbook of Secrets. For Dragon Rulers, the mini-ones should be Limited, and everything else - semi-limited. Evilswarm is only there because it's one of the only ways to counter the others. Seriously, if you've been only playing TCG for now, you don't know what Lord of the Tachyon Galaxy will do to the meta. 190.124.165.194 (talk) 23:17, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Dueling Network doesn't always give true results of what competitive players use, and even so, I'm not sure if those 3 are the only ones to be talking about. Fire Fists and Mermails have dominated the TCG this format, with Mermails winning 4 YCS's and winning against Fire Fists in the last rounds of Austin and San Diego. Evilswarms only got 2 of the top 32 at Meadowlands, the only YCS they could make an appearance in this format (Mermails got 15 of the top 32 there, including 1st place). If anything Rabbit needs to go to 1 to slow down Evilswarms. Nothing else really needs to be hit with them. The minis are not the problem with the dragon rulers; the big guys are the problem since 1) they're splashable into any deck of their attribute, and 2) their secondary effects are pretty broken, particularly Tempest's; it's practically Dragoons for Dragon-types. While prophecies are a pretty fun deck to play, they're having a hard time on the competitive scene in the TCG/OCG because they're so easy to counter in games 2 and 3. Evilswarms main deck (sometimes side deck) Eradicator Epidemic Virus to kill prophecies game 1, and dragon rulers also run it (to sack off no. 11 big eye and kill all their spells) to wipe them out as well. I strongly doubt spellbook of judgment will get hit because of that, and even if it is, the only solution IS to ban it. Limiting Judgment makes no sense as you have 3 Spellbook of Secrets, 3 Spellbook of the Master, and Justice of Prophecy/Spellbook Magician of Prophecy to easily search that one copy of Judgment. It's going to end up being abused every duel, even if it goes to 1. Tenki definitely needs to go to 1 to slow down Fire Fists, and so does Dragoons/Abysslinde for Mermail-Atlanteans. Some other decks could get a boost this format, but Prophecies, Evilswarms, and Dragon rulers are definitely not going to be the only 3 decks Konami will hit this September. 98.206.70.2 (talk) 14:26, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

in my opinion, it is time to hit Light and Darkness Dragon, consider how crazy to face him in elemental dragon ( we all know they often summon it in first turn with Mecha Phantom Beast Dracossack and Number 11: Big Eye. these 2 are serious abused right now. and yeah, in DN or/and maybe also in real life, they like to use 3 in the deck/ extra deck. the rest mostly i agree with u except reasoning, ARA, GB bestiari, debris dragon formula synchron,and tsukoyomi.Gemini 93 (talk • contribs) 06:49, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

LaDD is a pain to face in e-dragons. However, in my opinion, it's pointless to limit LaDD or Dragosac or Big Eye as you only need one (Ladd can be searched by elipse wyvern or Tempest) to win against your opponent anyways (just like you only needed one Brionac to win anyways). But I don't think any of them should get banned either since, tbh, they're only really abusable in the e-dragon deck. There's no other deck that can spam them with such consistency. The logical move would be to hit the big e-drags (Tidal, Tempest, Blaster, and Redox) and not the Xyz's made by them. In the same way, target the Rabbit, not the monster it summons. I'm kinda for the other options, though not for all of them. Bestiari and Mezuki would probrably be better off at 1, since they would be too good at 2, same for Formula Synchron. Herald of Perfection lockdowns and Demise/Doom OTK's still aren't relevant to today's meta so I could care less if Advanced Ritual Art comes down to 3, same with Reasoning since turbo OTK's are also inconsistent in today's meta. Tsukuyomi was only broken 7-8 years ago when it was involved in a lockdown with Mask of Darkness and Time Seal; you would get your opponent into a situation where they were topdecking with no cards in their hand and on their field, activate Time Seal in your main phase, flip Mask of Darkness, return Time Seal back, re-set it, summon Tsukuyomi, flip Mask back facedown, attack directly with Tsukuyomi, and repeat until victory. However, that lockdown is not playable anymore. After so many years, Konami has finally realized Time Seal was the real problem with that lockdown, and it's banned and never coming back. Drop off doesn't count as a substitute for Time Seal because discarding a drawn card can actually help your opponent. For that reason, Drop off just doesn't see play. Other loops, like Needle Worm and Man-Eater Bug loops with Tsukuyomi, are just downright bad in the current meta. I gurantee Tsukuyomi is coming down to 3. Like Breaker, it used to be broken, but now it's not. 98.206.70.2 (talk) 15:43, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Prediction

Evilswarms are definitely going to get hit pretty hard, as are E Dragons. Evilswarm Bahumat is going to get either limited or banned, its basically Number 11: Big Eye, only much easier to summon, and at only the cost of discarding 1 card. C'mon.

69.65.88.14 (talk) 20:58, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

While Evilswarm Bahamut is easier to summon, it also needs a discard, which means you lose a monster from your hand to take one from your opponent. That's actually really fair. Even if you did summon it with Rescue Rabbit, you're going to break even in the end. Also, it's low ATK for a Rank 4 also means it's going to probably get run over the next turn. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 22:50, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Evilswarms are, in general, just an anti-meta arechetype of DARK monsters that have lots of options open to them, but they aren't the best deck in today's meta. While they can counter Synchro, Ritual (Barring Relinquished), Fusion, and other decks that use lots of high-level monsters (Dragon Rulers, Chaos decks), Evilswarm Ophion doesn't really help them with their bad matchups against other decks that can also spam rank 4-5 xyz monsters and take them down, like "hunders", Constellars, Wind-Ups, Fire Fists, Heraldic Beasts, Infernities, and other decks like that. Limiting Rabbit to 1 would definitely hurt Evilswarms, but it also hurts many other decks, like Macro Rabbit (still one of the top decks in today's metagame). If Rabbit doesn't go to 1 Ophion might get a semi-limit, but I doubt Bahamut will be hit. Ophion is the key card in the deck. Ophion not only seals special summons from high-level monsters and has good atk for a rank 4, but it can also search for the deck's broken field-covering forbidden lance and deck searcher (Pandemic and Infection). 98.206.70.2 (talk) 03:01, June 2, 2013 (UTC)