Talk:Spatial Dragon

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No Deletion

I think this is legit. I don't see any problem. It should stay. Anyone else agree? --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 03:00, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

I consider this on the weaker spectrum as far as series go. There's a theme, but I don't see it as strong enough to warrant an actual page. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 03:26, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

This shouldnt be considered a series at all. Even Princesses (Curran and Ebon) are more of a series then this, and they no longer have a page. These guys are just fancy dragons that Mizael uses to summon Tachyon. They hardly have any similarities at all. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 04:07, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Really? They all focus on Level 8 swarming, in a sense. Sure the Gimmick Puppets do too, but still....--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 05:16, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

So what? Yeah, they have similar effects. A LOT of Decks uses cards with similar effects. They have no indication of being related to each other, ergo, not an archetype. If they had "the Spacial Dragon" or something like that in their names, then yeah, make a page. This is not one of those cases. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 05:41, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

a) Learn how to spell, it's "Spatial". b) Series don't need to be ties together by names. Look at the Sparrow Family. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 05:46, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Rocket.Knight.777. And let me justify something; You go along with adding cards to the Knight and Sphere archetypes just because those words are in certain card names, despite the fact that they serve no purpose towards those archetypes. You are also okay with other archetypes that thrive on irrelevancies such as the Gem Dragons and Treasure Cards despite those having similarities by coincidence. It's outright hypocrisy if you think that the Spatial Dragons shouldn't be a thing, and yet those two "archetypes" get away with it. To Hell with that. Either let them be a thing like those two, or get rid of the two because they fit the same context as this situation right here. FAYAL (talk • contribs) 05:54, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Rocket.knight, Don't make snide comments like that, they are unnecessary. Yeah, the Sparrow Family had their own TV show in the anime. Plus, look at effects of D.D. Jet Iron, Beast-Warrior Puma, and Ironhammer the Giant. Their effects were made to play off each other, even naming specific members in their effects. These "Spatial Dragons" are not quite the same.

P.S. Spacial and Spatial are synonyms. Calling them "Spacial Dragons" is just a plausible as "Spatial Dragons". NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 05:58, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Are*, and why are you even still arguing? Nobody wants to argue semantic technicalities such as this with a Yuma/Nasch faker. FAYAL (talk • contribs) 06:07, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Hey FAYAL, why don't you try being a bit more mature here? Seriously, I don't understand what people plan to accomplish by insulting each other. It's like you are TRYING to start trouble. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 06:15, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Just saying, you're not exactly the best person to discuss this with. You didn't even get the princess thing right. It's Curran and Pikeru, not Ebon for God's sakes. You not only have a flawed argument, but the evidence you give has more holes in it than Swiss cheese. FAYAL (talk • contribs) 06:20, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for not being familiar with an archetype that doesn't even have a page anymore. And there you are again with the insulting. The way you are acting makes it impossible to discuss anything with you. If you have such a problem with my evidence, then explain to me in detail how it has "more holes in it than Swiss cheese". NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 06:25, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Let me rephrase that. It's not so much the evidence being flawed, but you're expression of said evidence. If this were a court system, and you were like Phoenix Wright or something, you probably would have screwed your client over because of how badly you presented the evidence. Interpretation of a counter-argument and correctly stating it is key to actually posing a good argument. If one were to screw up as many times as you have, their argument would have either collapsed on itself making them look like a fool, or suit itself to help the opposing side making one look like a complete and utter dumbass. You've only done the former, but going any further will probably make the latter happen. In summation, it's not the tool, it's the worker. FAYAL (talk • contribs) 06:33, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

I see, so not only have you failed to support your claim that my evidence "has more holes in it than Swiss cheese", but you are also changing the subject. In addition, I feel like you are still trying to insult me, whether you really are trying to or not. This discussion is not about me, it is about whether we should classify these monsters as their own archetype or not. I suggest you try sticking with the topic at hand if you really want this page to stay, instead of trying to explain to me how I should present my evidence. Remember this, this isn't court, and I am not an attorney. I am just a simple user trying to support my claim, so don't expect me to be perfect while I am trying to do so. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 06:47, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

A) I was being hypothetical, B) Insulting you isn't productive, so stop bitching about it, C) Nobody considers you or any other stranger/jerk-off on the internet worth their time, making insulting you a huge waste, D) Presenting substantial evidence is a key to winning over arguments like this in the future so stop assuming that what I'm telling you isn't useful advice, and E) I wouldn't have changed the subject if I had known that you had or hadn't read that bit about other crappily put together archetypes I posted earlier. If I get a response to that part, we can get back on the rusty tracks. FAYAL (talk • contribs) 07:03, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Hey now, no need to get so riled up... I for one believe that neither of you have room to talk. In my opinion (coming from a newcomer's point of view), I'd say this page shouldn't exist and neither should the Gem Dragons and Treasure Cards. But who am I to say what to do? I still just come here to get info, not give it.New Sentoryu (talk • contribs) 09:14, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

I'm also for deleting this. It's just Mizael's Deck, nothing more. Yes, they have similar names and focus on Rank 8 (aka Tachyon Dragon), but that isn't enough to define this as a "series". ZEXAL especially has taken to sticking to certain themes and terminology with character's Decks, which does result in a large amount of card pools that have barely anything in common with similar names. I even think pages like "Infection" shouldn't exist because it has nothing in common other than being cards used by Mr. Heartland. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 11:52, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Sentoryu and Scarecrow. Glad to see someone around here is capable of giving their opinion without insulting each other. Come to think of it, Anna's monsters are all the same way as well. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 14:56, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, this discussion has not really progressed much, so I wanna suggest this. How about we put it to a vote? NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 03:12, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but how would we even do that? FAYAL (talk • contribs) 03:33, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

FAYAL, "Knight and "Sphere" are archetypes. This is not. This is a series. They are different things.

I'll admit I've wanted a page for Mizael's dragons for a while, but I don't have much to say besides "I want there to be one", which isnt' exactly the soundest argument. So I say delete. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:46, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

FAYAL, to answer your question I have created to following topic. I got this idea from UltimateKuriboh when there was a discussion about a piece of Trivia about Number 70. It is simple as this, put your signature under your answer to the question below. In about 48 hours, the future of the page will be decided based on the number of signatures under "Yes" and "No". Does this seem fair? NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 04:39, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

There is a clear enough theme here, there are more then 3 members (4 and an anime-only support card), and they all work towards summoning rank 8's. One of our own pages defines exactly that as a Series (srsly first friggin sentence, why deny what we already defined). This thing is a series, no question there. Real question, what does this page contribute? I'd like to keep the page, though i think just noting this on Mizar's deck section would suffice too. also, "Reason for deletion: That would be an archetype named as Dragons, not Spacial Dragons." what happened to that? ....actually thinking about that, how is that a reason to delete instead of rename? on that note Yusei's Synchro Warrior series is just called Warriors here, so i suppose "Dragons" would be it, but should probably stay as spatial Dragons since Dragons is kinda......too general i think the term would be.

Also, did the existence of this tiny page REALLY just cause all that crap and mudslinging i just read through? If this is enough to cause all this, then look at Ape, Gun Ogre, or Wheel. if those can stick around, why not this one? DreadKaiser (talk • contribs) 09:26, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

Other pages existing that should be deleted does not justify the existence of this page; it just means they should be deleted too (though you should keep in mind that I haven't looked at the specific pages you pointed to, so they may individually be worth keeping). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 15:43, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

Im all for deletion.

Yano88 (talk • contribs) 20:00, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

Should the "Spacial Dragon" Page be deleted?

Yes

NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 04:39, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

Golden Key --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 13:25, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 19:15, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

Neos01 (talk • contribs) 19:17, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

Axel Shiokawa (talk • contribs) 22:40, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

No

FAYAL (talk • contribs) 05:15, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

DreadKaiser (talk • contribs) 07:21, December 25, 2013 (UTC)