Forum:Call of the Haunted/Stardust + Archfiend/BlackRose

Hello, I am looking for answers about how the rulings of these cards play. I looked at the rulings, but they are quite confusing.

Let's start with the first question. 1) If I play Call of the Haunted and reborns Stardust Dragon, and my opponent activates Torrential Tribute or Bottomless Trap Hole, and I activate its effect, does it come back during my end phrase? 2) If I have Archfiend Zombie-Skull on the field, and my opponent special summons Black Rose Dragon, and Zombie World is in play, what does it really destroy? Zlilyeakidz (talk • contribs) 20:07, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

1. 1. No Stardust will not return. Stardust needs to be properly summoned via synchro summon in order to return to the field after activating it's own effect. Kearowind (talk • contribs) 20:13, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

For the second one, you're zombies wouldn't be destroyed because: 1: Black Rose can't remove from play Plants, because all monsters in the Grave are Zombies, and therefore, it can't use it's effect 2: Your monsters wouldn't be destroyed, as Black Rose doesn't destroy monsters; it only reduces their attack. Theoretically, they would be destroyed by battle instead, except if your opponent ran a Reptilian deck and they use an effect to destroy all 0 ATK monsters, then yes, your 'Sters would be safe. ParadiseNigh (talk • contribs) 20:18, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

i have no idea on the archfiend question though.

this ruling is confusing me: If "Zombie World" or "DNA Surgery" is turning all monsters on the field into Zombie-Type monsters while "Archfiend Zombie-Skull" is on the field, then if "Black Rose Dragon" is Special Summoned and its effect activates, then "Black Rose Dragon" is not destroyed and remains on the field because it is treated as a Zombie-Type monster, even though "Archfiend Zombie-Skull" and "Zombie World" would be destroyed simultaneously

i in all honesty would think that Archfiend Zombie-Skull could not be destroyed by black rose dragon because it is a face up zombie type monster but the ruling seems to say otherwise >.> so you'll have to wait for someone else who knows to post Kearowind (talk • contribs) 20:20, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Please excuse what I previously said, I read the question wrong. In the end, the only cards being destroyed are Spell / Traps and your opponents monsters. ParadiseNigh (talk • contribs) 20:22, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

ParadiseNigh i believe he is talking about the first effect of Black Rose dragon which involves neither removing monsters from play nor reducing attack.

This effect: When this card is Synchro Summoned, you can destroy all cards on the field Kearowind (talk • contribs) 20:22, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Stardust would return, as Call of the Haunted wouldnt work otherwise. If it has been Properly Synchro Summoned once, it can be Special Summoned from the Graveyard, and even activate its effect the moment it comes to the field and goes away. Tairion (talk • contribs) 21:23, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Haha, yes. I was talking about Black Rose's effect when it was synchro-summoned. I just wanted to know if everything on the field is destroyed, or just the magics/traps. So basically, for Stardust, his effect still works, but it doesn't get special summon during the end phrase? Zlilyeakidz (talk • contribs) 07:34, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Stardust DOES Return. You special summoned it from the Graveyard after it had been Synchro Summoned ONCE when it came into play, then it will return during the End Phase. Tairion (talk • contribs) 11:24, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Stardust Dragon can only be Special Summoned from the Graveyard if it was Synchro Summoned successfully. So Call of the Haunted will revive a Stardust Dragon that was Synchro Summoned successfully. If you opponent plays a destruction card, you can activate Stardust Dragon to negate the effect. Then Stardust Dragon would come back at the End Phase.

The rulings for Archfiend Zombie-Skull confuses me. What I think is that if there is a card that is treating every monster as Zombies and Black Rose Dragon uses the nuking effect, every card except cards that are treated as Zombies are destroyed. So Zombie World/DNA Surgery, face-down monsters, and cards in the Spell & Trap Card Zones would be destroyed. Mark Mares (talk • contribs) 21:06, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, so far Stardust Dragon, if it was Synchro Summoned successfully, Call of the Haunted will still be in play, although Stardust negated a destruction effect, and will come back at the end phrase. So if we use Starlight Road, to bring out Stardust, and it was destroyed, and we revived it with CotH, then it won't come back during end phrase if we use its negation effect? - Yes, that is correct.

I think I get Archfiend Zombie-Skull now when Black Rose Dragon uses its nuke effect. Everything dies but Zombies. Thank you all! Zlilyeakidz (talk • contribs) 21:25, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

if stardust is brought to the field with starlight road it not only doesn't come back but also can't be revived by call of the haunted since it wasn't properly synchro summoned. 21:25, January 23, 2011 (UTC)