Forum:Flip Flop Frog

I've been wondering if this is allowed for all monsters that have a similar effect like this.

If you normal summon Flip Flop Frog, then activate its effect to flip face down. Can you flip-summon the same monster? In the Flip Summon page, there's a line that reads "A flip summon is a manual position change, which is limited to one per monster per turn."

What if it was special summoned by Substitoad, then flip face-down. Can I flip summon it?--Xsamuraizx 19:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

• No, a monster cannot change its battle position during the turn that it is summoned other than by a card effect. If you flip Flip Flop Frog face-down using its effect, you may use your manual change to flip it face up, but keep in mind that you have already changed its battle position and cannot change it to defense. Messengerofthedark 19:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)Messengerofthedark

Alright that's fine. After it flips up, I can activate it's effect to flip it down again since it "resets" when it was flipped down right? I won't be able to manual flip-summon again though.--Xsamuraizx 20:00, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

• If you set it the turn before, and then flip it face-up during your next turn, you may use its effect to flip it face-down. But if you flip it using its effect, then flip it face-up, you cannot use the effect to flip it face-down because the card says "once per turn". Resetting only applies to stat changing effects and effects that are the result of another card. Messengerofthedark 20:11, 1 July 2009 (UTC)Messengerofthedark
  • If the monster is flipped face-down or leaves the field, the "once per turn" condition is reset, and it can activate its effect again. ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 20:45, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

If "Flip Flop Frog" is flipped face-down by its effect and then is Flip Summoned, then you cannot activate its effect to flip it face-down a second time. This is because the effect specifies "once per turn", and if flipping it face-down did reset it, then that "once per turn" would mean nothing. It is an exception to the rule because that text would be useless if it did not. --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 23:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Wait! Are you saying that Flip Flop Frog is an exception to the rule, and works differently from the other "once per turn" monsters? If yes then where's the ruling? ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 06:05, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I'm saying that it is different.

No, I do not have a ruling. What I said is based on how the "once per turn" text won't do anything if it worked the way you are suggesting. It is an exception based on card text, similar to how the effect of "Serpentine Princess" can trigger and activate while in the Deck, even though effects can't trigger and activate while in the Deck.

--Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 19:30, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

An "once per turn" effect will reset if flipped face-down and I don't see why Flip Flop Frog will work differently! Why the text would be useless if it did not?

Serpentine Princess is an exception because of its effect.

ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 05:04, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Once it has been activated during the turn, it cannot activate again because that effect has already been activated by that card, regardless of whether it is "reset", somewhat similar to Twin-Headed Behemoth, where it can only use its effect once per duel, regardless of if it would be "reset" by returning it to the deck or hand. Messengerofthedark 05:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)Messengerofthedark

Twin-Headed Behemoth is different because its effect states that that effect cannot be activated again. This applies to any card that has exactly the same effect. The "once per turn" effects cannot be activated again from the same monster. Flipping the monster face-down, the game, forgets that it was the same monster that used the effect, and after its flip, it works like a new monster so it can activate the effect again. The problem is why "Deus Ex Machina" states that Flip Flop Frog works differently? ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 07:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Resetting is not an official rule, so it only applies to changes of stats and changes on how a card works, such as Dark Necrofear (its effect is reset if it is SS during the turn that it is destroyed by battle before becoming an equip). Flip Flop Frog does not reset, because it does not change the way that it works. Regardless of whether it is face-down, the effect of once per turn still applies. Messengerofthedark 07:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)Messengerofthedark

To prevent confusion: You are talking specially for Flip Flop Frog, or for any "once per turn" effect monster? ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 07:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I mean for just Flip Flop Frog, but if it would involve any other monster, then I really don't care about them. Right now, my only concern is Flip Flop. Messengerofthedark 08:00, 13 July 2009 (UTC)Messengerofthedark

Hmm... I'll research it again tomorrow! ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 09:15, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

"Serpentine Princess" is an exception because, if it followed the normal rules, then there would be no point in having its text.

The "flip face-down once per turn" monsters are exceptions because, if they followed the normal rules, then there would be no point in having the "once per turn" text.

--Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 22:07, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Its the same that those rock-type monsters and Stealth Bird. You can only use it´s effect once per turn, if you use it effect and flip summon again, you can´t use the effect twice. And this is proved by all the YuGiOh games made by Konami with the official rules. Elzam 19:04, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Effect Rulings

When Flip Flop Frog is flipped face up because of an opponent's monster's attack and his effect activates, when does it activate? I'm asking this because I wonder on a ruling that myself and some of my friend agreed to for casual duels: Step 1: Opponent's monster declares an attack on my face down Flip Flop Frog.

Step 2: Flip Flop Frog is flipped face-up.

Step 3: Flip Flop Frog's effect activates and the opponent's attacking monster is returned to the hand.

Step 4: Battle step is interrupted and Flip Flop Frog is not destroyed.

Step 5: Flip Flop Frog's second effect activates and it is returned to face-down defense position. Kazushi Watarai 18:04, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Its effect is activated during the Sub-Step 6 of the Damage Step. ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 18:28, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

If your opponent's monster has more ATK than flip frog's DEF, his effect activates but flip frog is destroyed, becouse it is flip face up during the damage step and it's effect doesn´t prevents damage calculation. It´s the same as if you attack any flip effect monster, like Penguin Soldier Elzam 19:00, May 11, 2010 (UTC)